On This Anniversary - 9/11: How it Was Done, the Science of Demolition (Epic Essay)

[Skylar]

Funny you don't bother with anything even remotely the truth, "did not collapse in 14 seconds, they collapsed over time." No one said airplanes were faked. Everything you say can now be skipped over. You are either a shill or a moron. Either way not worth arguing with. If you are shill you should be prosecuted as an accomplice.



WTC7, remember was not even hit by a plane.

This version of WTC 7 collapsing is better. . .

You ACTUAL are going to claim no one said the planes were fake that no plane hit the Pentagon or went down in Pennsylvania ? Gonna deny some one said a drone was used on the pentagon?

So if you don't deny the planes and claim the 19 terrorists were really working for the Government explain in detail how the Government got them to commit suicide for the US Government? Explain how after all this time NO one that placed the explosives has talked about it?

Of course disinformation folks have made all sorts of claims.

Parsing out the truth when there are so many counter intelligence groups is nearly impossible.

Explaining how, after all this time, no one has talked about any explosives, is relatively easy. Special-Op forces are not supposed to talk about their missions. There are hundreds and hundreds of missions we know nothing about. Everything in operations like these are compartmentalized and on a need to know basis. Most of the folks that participate in it, actually believe the official story due to the way things are planned.

For instance, if you have security contractors going into the building to do upgrades months before, and they are unaware that their upgrades are in fact explosives, what is there to tell? They don't know a thing. Not knowing how everything is done is part of the obfuscation, part of the illusion.

The Port Authority Bomb Squad with Bomb sniffing dogs were there three days before the attack.

In addition to the absolute absurdity of 'security contractors' laying and wiring tens of thousands of individual explosives with *no one noticing* despite the buiding being over 90% occupied, inspected, renovated and maintained....

.....your 'easy explanation' would have us believe that the Port Authority Bomb Squad and their bomb sniffing dogs missed the tens of thousands of bombs too?

All without evidence of a single charge, an inch of blasting wire, a single detonator, nor a spec of residue of any explosive?

Um, no. That's just an awful, awful explanation.

I'd like to read that article about those dogs. Link me to that, would you?

This was 17 years ago. So the links may not be live.

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

National & World News Stories

There's also the memorial page for the dog that died.

Police K9 Sirius... ...was an Explosive Detection Dog with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department. Sirius, along with his partner, Police Officer David Lim, were assigned to the World Trade Center in New York, where their primary duty was to check vehicles entering the Complex, clear unattended bags and sweep areas for VIP safety...
On the morning of September 11, 2001, Sirius and Officer Lim were at their Station located in the basement of Tower Two...

September 11, 2001: Tribute To Sirius, K9 Bomb Detection Dog with the NY/NJ Port Authority Police Department

The bomb theory is already ludicrously implausible. There was no seismic evidence of explosives before the collapse, a physical impossibility. There was no evidence of any bomb found before, during or after the attack.

Nothing. Not a single detonator, not a single inch of blasting wire. Literally nothing. Not even residue of explosives found anywhere.

And there would have had to have been about 50,000 such bombs placed. All without anyone noticing. Not even the Port authority bomb squad.

That's laughably implausible.

 

[Skylar]

You obviously didn't read the post. Go wallow in your stupidity and ignorance alone. The real patriots are waking up. You are too dumb to bother with, I am interested in having discussions with intelligent people who want the truth, whatever it may be.

You also obviously are a hick who has never been to NYC. They don't roll up the sidewalks at 6, people are everywhere working all the time, 24/7, especially the WTC, and no one cares what they are doing.

You are not going to answer because you CAN NOT. For one thing dumb ass, the towers did not collapse in 14 seconds, they collapsed over time. I still wanna know how they faked 4 airplanes? How you dismiss eyewitness accounts in Washington DC or eye witness accounts in New York?

And yes security or some one would have noticed if people were wire pillars for demolition. you can hide the wires and the electronics nor the blocks of explosives.

Funny you don't bother with anything even remotely the truth, "did not collapse in 14 seconds, they collapsed over time." No one said airplanes were faked. Everything you say can now be skipped over. You are either a shill or a moron. Either way not worth arguing with. If you are shill you should be prosecuted as an accomplice.



WTC7, remember was not even hit by a plane.

This version of WTC 7 collapsing is better. . .

The fact that this was a false flag event that so many still refuse to acknowledge, is a testament to the power of TV propaganda and the CIA controlled media and their ability to try and shame anyone that has the unmitigated gall to call 9/11/01 for what it was.

By the way, I created a mini-documentary on false flags, listing all the telltale signs and showing numerous examples. When it started getting thousands of views, it got removed by YouTube. And even after I removed one clip that was flagged for a copyright issue, and reuploaded it, they later removed it again, even though nothing about it was against the rules.

There is a definite move to silence anyone who tries to expose false flags and the criminals in power.

Make sure to include all the false predictions of false flags.

 

[MisterBeale]

This version of WTC 7 collapsing is better. . .

You ACTUAL are going to claim no one said the planes were fake that no plane hit the Pentagon or went down in Pennsylvania ? Gonna deny some one said a drone was used on the pentagon?

So if you don't deny the planes and claim the 19 terrorists were really working for the Government explain in detail how the Government got them to commit suicide for the US Government? Explain how after all this time NO one that placed the explosives has talked about it?

Of course disinformation folks have made all sorts of claims.

Parsing out the truth when there are so many counter intelligence groups is nearly impossible.

Explaining how, after all this time, no one has talked about any explosives, is relatively easy. Special-Op forces are not supposed to talk about their missions. There are hundreds and hundreds of missions we know nothing about. Everything in operations like these are compartmentalized and on a need to know basis. Most of the folks that participate in it, actually believe the official story due to the way things are planned.

For instance, if you have security contractors going into the building to do upgrades months before, and they are unaware that their upgrades are in fact explosives, what is there to tell? They don't know a thing. Not knowing how everything is done is part of the obfuscation, part of the illusion.

The Port Authority Bomb Squad with Bomb sniffing dogs were there three days before the attack.

In addition to the absolute absurdity of 'security contractors' laying and wiring tens of thousands of individual explosives with *no one noticing* despite the buiding being over 90% occupied, inspected, renovated and maintained....

.....your 'easy explanation' would have us believe that the Port Authority Bomb Squad and their bomb sniffing dogs missed the tens of thousands of bombs too?

All without evidence of a single charge, an inch of blasting wire, a single detonator, nor a spec of residue of any explosive?

Um, no. That's just an awful, awful explanation.

I'd like to read that article about those dogs. Link me to that, would you?

This was 17 years ago. So the links may not be live.

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

National & World News Stories

There's also the memorial page for the dog that died.

Police K9 Sirius... ...was an Explosive Detection Dog with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department. Sirius, along with his partner, Police Officer David Lim, were assigned to the World Trade Center in New York, where their primary duty was to check vehicles entering the Complex, clear unattended bags and sweep areas for VIP safety...
On the morning of September 11, 2001, Sirius and Officer Lim were at their Station located in the basement of Tower Two...

September 11, 2001: Tribute To Sirius, K9 Bomb Detection Dog with the NY/NJ Port Authority Police Department

The bomb theory is already ludicrously implausible. There was no seismic evidence of explosives before the collapse, a physical impossibility. There was no evidence of any bomb found before, during or after the attack.

Nothing. Not a single detonator, not a single inch of blasting wire. Literally nothing.

And there would have had to have been about 50,000 such bombs placed. All without anyone noticing. Not even the Port authority bomb squad.

That's laughably implausible.

Actually, if you read my links I posted previously, there is seismic activity that takes place before the towers collapse, and as your link just showed, the dogs were taken off duty so the explosives could be put into place.


Thank you.

The only bombs that would need to be used are the ones covering up the crimes that the planes were meant to take out. For other demolition types, you would need to debunk the alternative hypothesis.


Let's not do that though. We are never going to agree. Why is it so important for you to bolster such an implausible government conspiracy?

 

[MisterBeale]

What better way to grow the power and wealth of government, than allowing a terror attack to take place?

It would appear government has a conflict of interest.

Or as we can plainly now see now with the Trump administration, when folks vote, the vote is meaningless. The "government" is made up of many established players that the public has absolutely no control over.

Many voted for Donnie in the hopes he could control or put a stop to the un-elected establishment. He hasn't had much success and might turn out to be controlled by it, just like all the others.

Oh well, we tried. We know that we had no chance with the crazed warmonger and criminal, Hillary.

Controlled by it? Indeed. . . . Especially if you bothered to follow that Wikileaks link

Here ===> The Global Intelligence Files - [Analytical & Intelligence Comments] Mossad ran 9/11 Arab "hijacker" terrorist operation

Cross reference it with that information here;

Trump’s Transition Team Colluded With Israel. Why Isn’t That News?

The countless Israeli connections to Mueller’s probe of Trump and Russia

And then it becomes clear why there is no swamp clearing on this issue. The swamp that helped create it, helped get him elected. He has no intention of biting the hand that feeds him.

 

[gipper]

You obviously didn't read the post. Go wallow in your stupidity and ignorance alone. The real patriots are waking up. You are too dumb to bother with, I am interested in having discussions with intelligent people who want the truth, whatever it may be.

You also obviously are a hick who has never been to NYC. They don't roll up the sidewalks at 6, people are everywhere working all the time, 24/7, especially the WTC, and no one cares what they are doing.

You are not going to answer because you CAN NOT. For one thing dumb ass, the towers did not collapse in 14 seconds, they collapsed over time. I still wanna know how they faked 4 airplanes? How you dismiss eyewitness accounts in Washington DC or eye witness accounts in New York?

And yes security or some one would have noticed if people were wire pillars for demolition. you can hide the wires and the electronics nor the blocks of explosives.

Funny you don't bother with anything even remotely the truth, "did not collapse in 14 seconds, they collapsed over time." No one said airplanes were faked. Everything you say can now be skipped over. You are either a shill or a moron. Either way not worth arguing with. If you are shill you should be prosecuted as an accomplice.



WTC7, remember was not even hit by a plane.

This version of WTC 7 collapsing is better. . .

You ACTUAL are going to claim no one said the planes were fake that no plane hit the Pentagon or went down in Pennsylvania ? Gonna deny some one said a drone was used on the pentagon?

So if you don't deny the planes and claim the 19 terrorists were really working for the Government explain in detail how the Government got them to commit suicide for the US Government? Explain how after all this time NO one that placed the explosives has talked about it?

Of course disinformation folks have made all sorts of claims.

Parsing out the truth when there are so many counter intelligence groups is nearly impossible.

Explaining how, after all this time, no one has talked about any explosives, is relatively easy. Special-Op forces are not supposed to talk about their missions. There are hundreds and hundreds of missions we know nothing about. Everything in operations like these are compartmentalized and on a need to know basis. Most of the folks that participate in it, actually believe the official story due to the way things are planned.

For instance, if you have security contractors going into the building to do upgrades months before, and they are unaware that their upgrades are in fact explosives, what is there to tell? They don't know a thing. Not knowing how everything is done is part of the obfuscation, part of the illusion.

E. Howard Hunt and Woody Harrelson's dad, Charles Harrelson, both confessed on JFK decades after it happened. Just b/c you did not hear about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In fact, there were something like 8 or 9 shooters that day. Most of them missed. But the affect has people seeing strange things everywhere, puffs of smoke, suspicious people, weird forensics at the crime scene and at the autopsy and concocting strange theories.

The same thing is going on here. Multiple avenues to bring down the towers were in play, and they had a patsy also in mind. Also, all of these scenario's, like the JFK operation, were probably ignorant of each other, so the "official" story is what each of the other operations believe is what got the job done.

Do you even know what Operation Northwoods is? Do you know who Sibel Edmonds is? What makes you think the corporate media would even make you aware of whistle blowers and confessions about people within the intel. agencies, in the government or military, furthering a plot to construct an enemy for the military industrial establishment? The CFR works with their corporate sponsors in conjunction with government officials. Anyone that doesn't toe the establishment line has their career black-balled and is labeled as such. You think folks want to end up like Alex Jones and Mike Adams?

If you had looked at all of the information I had posted, it is right there for you.

A lot of this information is slowly disappearing, and relevant witnesses that had, or have been speaking are strangely dying off. That is a pretty good incentive to keep one's trap shut.

Then the war criminal had the nerve to joke about his stupid war that caused untold numbers of dead.

 

[MisterBeale]

You are not going to answer because you CAN NOT. For one thing dumb ass, the towers did not collapse in 14 seconds, they collapsed over time. I still wanna know how they faked 4 airplanes? How you dismiss eyewitness accounts in Washington DC or eye witness accounts in New York?

And yes security or some one would have noticed if people were wire pillars for demolition. you can hide the wires and the electronics nor the blocks of explosives.

Funny you don't bother with anything even remotely the truth, "did not collapse in 14 seconds, they collapsed over time." No one said airplanes were faked. Everything you say can now be skipped over. You are either a shill or a moron. Either way not worth arguing with. If you are shill you should be prosecuted as an accomplice.



WTC7, remember was not even hit by a plane.

This version of WTC 7 collapsing is better. . .

You ACTUAL are going to claim no one said the planes were fake that no plane hit the Pentagon or went down in Pennsylvania ? Gonna deny some one said a drone was used on the pentagon?

So if you don't deny the planes and claim the 19 terrorists were really working for the Government explain in detail how the Government got them to commit suicide for the US Government? Explain how after all this time NO one that placed the explosives has talked about it?

Of course disinformation folks have made all sorts of claims.

Parsing out the truth when there are so many counter intelligence groups is nearly impossible.

Explaining how, after all this time, no one has talked about any explosives, is relatively easy. Special-Op forces are not supposed to talk about their missions. There are hundreds and hundreds of missions we know nothing about. Everything in operations like these are compartmentalized and on a need to know basis. Most of the folks that participate in it, actually believe the official story due to the way things are planned.

For instance, if you have security contractors going into the building to do upgrades months before, and they are unaware that their upgrades are in fact explosives, what is there to tell? They don't know a thing. Not knowing how everything is done is part of the obfuscation, part of the illusion.

E. Howard Hunt and Woody Harrelson's dad, Charles Harrelson, both confessed on JFK decades after it happened. Just b/c you did not hear about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In fact, there were something like 8 or 9 shooters that day. Most of them missed. But the affect has people seeing strange things everywhere, puffs of smoke, suspicious people, weird forensics at the crime scene and at the autopsy and concocting strange theories.

The same thing is going on here. Multiple avenues to bring down the towers were in play, and they had a patsy also in mind. Also, all of these scenario's, like the JFK operation, were probably ignorant of each other, so the "official" story is what each of the other operations believe is what got the job done.

Do you even know what Operation Northwoods is? Do you know who Sibel Edmonds is? What makes you think the corporate media would even make you aware of whistle blowers and confessions about people within the intel. agencies, in the government or military, furthering a plot to construct an enemy for the military industrial establishment? The CFR works with their corporate sponsors in conjunction with government officials. Anyone that doesn't toe the establishment line has their career black-balled and is labeled as such. You think folks want to end up like Alex Jones and Mike Adams?

If you had looked at all of the information I had posted, it is right there for you.

A lot of this information is slowly disappearing, and relevant witnesses that had, or have been speaking are strangely dying off. That is a pretty good incentive to keep one's trap shut.

Then the war criminal had the nerve to joke about his stupid war that caused untold numbers of dead.

Saw a meme 'bout that today. . .

 

[MisterBeale]

Funny you don't bother with anything even remotely the truth, "did not collapse in 14 seconds, they collapsed over time." No one said airplanes were faked. Everything you say can now be skipped over. You are either a shill or a moron. Either way not worth arguing with. If you are shill you should be prosecuted as an accomplice.



WTC7, remember was not even hit by a plane.

This version of WTC 7 collapsing is better. . .

You ACTUAL are going to claim no one said the planes were fake that no plane hit the Pentagon or went down in Pennsylvania ? Gonna deny some one said a drone was used on the pentagon?

So if you don't deny the planes and claim the 19 terrorists were really working for the Government explain in detail how the Government got them to commit suicide for the US Government? Explain how after all this time NO one that placed the explosives has talked about it?

Of course disinformation folks have made all sorts of claims.

Parsing out the truth when there are so many counter intelligence groups is nearly impossible.

Explaining how, after all this time, no one has talked about any explosives, is relatively easy. Special-Op forces are not supposed to talk about their missions. There are hundreds and hundreds of missions we know nothing about. Everything in operations like these are compartmentalized and on a need to know basis. Most of the folks that participate in it, actually believe the official story due to the way things are planned.

For instance, if you have security contractors going into the building to do upgrades months before, and they are unaware that their upgrades are in fact explosives, what is there to tell? They don't know a thing. Not knowing how everything is done is part of the obfuscation, part of the illusion.

E. Howard Hunt and Woody Harrelson's dad, Charles Harrelson, both confessed on JFK decades after it happened. Just b/c you did not hear about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. In fact, there were something like 8 or 9 shooters that day. Most of them missed. But the affect has people seeing strange things everywhere, puffs of smoke, suspicious people, weird forensics at the crime scene and at the autopsy and concocting strange theories.

The same thing is going on here. Multiple avenues to bring down the towers were in play, and they had a patsy also in mind. Also, all of these scenario's, like the JFK operation, were probably ignorant of each other, so the "official" story is what each of the other operations believe is what got the job done.

Do you even know what Operation Northwoods is? Do you know who Sibel Edmonds is? What makes you think the corporate media would even make you aware of whistle blowers and confessions about people within the intel. agencies, in the government or military, furthering a plot to construct an enemy for the military industrial establishment? The CFR works with their corporate sponsors in conjunction with government officials. Anyone that doesn't toe the establishment line has their career black-balled and is labeled as such. You think folks want to end up like Alex Jones and Mike Adams?

If you had looked at all of the information I had posted, it is right there for you.

A lot of this information is slowly disappearing, and relevant witnesses that had, or have been speaking are strangely dying off. That is a pretty good incentive to keep one's trap shut.

Then the war criminal had the nerve to joke about his stupid war that caused untold numbers of dead.

Saw a meme 'bout that today. . .

 

[Natural Citizen]

I've looked into Dr. Woods theory, and there might be something there.

However, it is rumored that they took out a lot of dirt and brought in a lot of sand and other ground material, to make the whole place non-radio active....

Truth be told, I don't really follow the 911 conspiracy stuff.

I'm more concerned about how it's been used to systematically attack our liberties here at home in the name of security and to patriotize a failed, preemptive, foreign policy. Used to be that patriotism meant standing up to the tyrants. Now patriotism means lick government boots and sing thank you on the highest mountain.

I've been in a suicide by mod kind of mood the last couple of days, I have other stuff to do anyway. Thus my smart ass comments to WillHaftawaite. lol.

 

[MisterBeale]

I've looked into Dr. Woods theory, and there might be something there.

However, it is rumored that they took out a lot of dirt and brought in a lot of sand and other ground material, to make the whole place non-radio active....

Truth be told, I don't really follow the 911 conspiracy stuff.

I'm more concerned about how it's been used to systematically attack our liberties here at home in the name of security and to patriotize a failed, preemptive, foreign policy. Used to be that patriotism meant standing up to the tyrants. Now patriotism means lick government boots and sing thank you on the highest mountain.

I've been in a suicide by mod kind of mood the last couple of days, I have other stuff to do anyway. Thus my smart ass comments to WillHaftawaite. lol.

meh, I honestly don't spend a lot of time on this topic these days either. I have a book marked folder with these sites all thrown into them. It's why I told Skylar I didn't want to rehash all this stuff again. We have done it a zillion times with Dawes and Ollie years ago. For all I know, Skylar might be one of them, with a name change. So what is the point? I don't think he wants to do it again either.


I agree with you about the part on what it is used for. That is why I think it is part of something larger. The unelected government. Till Americans understand the implications of the expanding, and now out of control bureacracy, these problems are only going to get worse. . . AND NOW? With the introduction by silicon valley of AI into the mix? I'm not even sure these interest groups who think they are in charge know what is going to happen.

As far as suicide by mod.?

WillHaftawaite is the wrong mod then. He is so Classically liberal, he's practically an anarchist. He'll probably let you pee on the carpet first.



Judging from what I know of your politics and personality, I would pester Coyote or theDoctorisIn. They will give you what you want if you read the forum rules that CK posted and if you stalk them and pester them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Again explain how a very small group of people planted 50000 bombs scattered through out the building in 3 days and NOT one soul saw them? Then explain why the investigation of the dust from the Towers carries no significant residue of bomb material.

 

[gipper]

We could argue all day about whether 9/11 was or wasn’t a false flag. However, the consequences of it are a growing police state, ever increasing government size and power, and unending foreign interventions. All things loved by the ruling class and harmful to individual liberty.

 

[candycorn]

There is no evidence of conspiracy in the planning or carrying out of the attack. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

As for the aftermath in the investigation, there are some unanswered questions about what has been made public. For example, there are a lot of security cameras around the Pentagon.

This is to say nothing about internal security cameras that were surely in the corridors in the E-ring of the Pentagon.

Perhaps there is nothing on them. But where are they--the images prior to the plane impacting the wall of the building? I understand the hesitation of the press to show a camera image that shows nothing--why would they--except to salve/sate the conspiracy loons? It would seem like a very easy thing to show. The internal cameras may have a lot of disturbing images of someone just walking down the hallway and getting creamed but there is far worse on TV in 2017. The external cameras though? Nothing that we haven't seen or imagined there.

Keep in mind; I have zero doubt that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. It hit. The wreckage proves it; the damage to the light poles proves it; the clip of concrete on the generator and the helipad prove it; the air traffic control path proves it. But where are the images from these (at least) 3 cameras and the internal corridors?

 

[Skylar]

You ACTUAL are going to claim no one said the planes were fake that no plane hit the Pentagon or went down in Pennsylvania ? Gonna deny some one said a drone was used on the pentagon?

So if you don't deny the planes and claim the 19 terrorists were really working for the Government explain in detail how the Government got them to commit suicide for the US Government? Explain how after all this time NO one that placed the explosives has talked about it?

Of course disinformation folks have made all sorts of claims.

Parsing out the truth when there are so many counter intelligence groups is nearly impossible.

Explaining how, after all this time, no one has talked about any explosives, is relatively easy. Special-Op forces are not supposed to talk about their missions. There are hundreds and hundreds of missions we know nothing about. Everything in operations like these are compartmentalized and on a need to know basis. Most of the folks that participate in it, actually believe the official story due to the way things are planned.

For instance, if you have security contractors going into the building to do upgrades months before, and they are unaware that their upgrades are in fact explosives, what is there to tell? They don't know a thing. Not knowing how everything is done is part of the obfuscation, part of the illusion.

The Port Authority Bomb Squad with Bomb sniffing dogs were there three days before the attack.

In addition to the absolute absurdity of 'security contractors' laying and wiring tens of thousands of individual explosives with *no one noticing* despite the buiding being over 90% occupied, inspected, renovated and maintained....

.....your 'easy explanation' would have us believe that the Port Authority Bomb Squad and their bomb sniffing dogs missed the tens of thousands of bombs too?

All without evidence of a single charge, an inch of blasting wire, a single detonator, nor a spec of residue of any explosive?

Um, no. That's just an awful, awful explanation.

I'd like to read that article about those dogs. Link me to that, would you?

This was 17 years ago. So the links may not be live.

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

National & World News Stories

There's also the memorial page for the dog that died.

Police K9 Sirius... ...was an Explosive Detection Dog with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department. Sirius, along with his partner, Police Officer David Lim, were assigned to the World Trade Center in New York, where their primary duty was to check vehicles entering the Complex, clear unattended bags and sweep areas for VIP safety...
On the morning of September 11, 2001, Sirius and Officer Lim were at their Station located in the basement of Tower Two...

September 11, 2001: Tribute To Sirius, K9 Bomb Detection Dog with the NY/NJ Port Authority Police Department

The bomb theory is already ludicrously implausible. There was no seismic evidence of explosives before the collapse, a physical impossibility. There was no evidence of any bomb found before, during or after the attack.

Nothing. Not a single detonator, not a single inch of blasting wire. Literally nothing.

And there would have had to have been about 50,000 such bombs placed. All without anyone noticing. Not even the Port authority bomb squad.

That's laughably implausible.

Actually, if you read my links I posted previously, there is seismic activity that takes place before the towers collapse, and as your link just showed, the dogs were taken off duty so the explosives could be put into place.

The dogs were removed on a Thursday, 3 days before the towers went down. Reducing your 'months of remodelling' to a mere 72 hours.

It takes months to wire a building using standard gravity fed implosion. The towers would have taken years, with 50,000 bombs bare minimum necessary to bring it down in the manner we saw.

3 days isn't enough time to do this.

And the seismic evidence would have recorded the explosions before the impact. Seismic sensors were in the city. None recorded any such explosions. There were no girders that had been 'cut' in a manner consistent with controlled demolition. There was no apparatus of explosives ever found...not an inch of blasting wire, not a single timer, transceiver, detonator, nothing. Nor was there any explosive residue.

Your theory is just an awful, awful explanation.

The only bombs that would need to be used are the ones covering up the crimes that the planes were meant to take out. For other demolition types, you would need to debunk the alternative hypothesis.

Nope. The building came down *opposite* of controlled demolition. Controlled demolition takes out the main supports at the bottom and lets the building fall, all at the same time. Kicker charges are used to break up the debris. But the entire building falls all at once, all at the same time.

WTC 1 and 2.....fell top to bottom. Exactly opposite controlled demolition. With the collapse beginning at the 77th and 93rd floor respectively. And proceeding, one floor at a time from the impact site down all the way to the ground.

Mandating that each floor would have be destroyed individually. With 226 narrow columns of the outer panels and 47 core columns.....that's about 275 charges per floor, or nearly 50,000 charges to wire the floors beneath the impact site.

With each charge covered up so perfectly that it was imperceptible, leaving no seismic signature, no cut girders, no residue of explosives and zero evidence of ever existing.

In 72 hours?

Um, no. Your explanation is just silly. Occam's Razor alone leaves your theory in tatters.

Let's not do that though. We are never going to agree. Why is it so important for you to bolster such an implausible government conspiracy?

More accurately, the evidence is never going to agree with your theory.

And I follow the evidence.

 

[MisterBeale]

Of course disinformation folks have made all sorts of claims.

Parsing out the truth when there are so many counter intelligence groups is nearly impossible.

Explaining how, after all this time, no one has talked about any explosives, is relatively easy. Special-Op forces are not supposed to talk about their missions. There are hundreds and hundreds of missions we know nothing about. Everything in operations like these are compartmentalized and on a need to know basis. Most of the folks that participate in it, actually believe the official story due to the way things are planned.

For instance, if you have security contractors going into the building to do upgrades months before, and they are unaware that their upgrades are in fact explosives, what is there to tell? They don't know a thing. Not knowing how everything is done is part of the obfuscation, part of the illusion.

The Port Authority Bomb Squad with Bomb sniffing dogs were there three days before the attack.

In addition to the absolute absurdity of 'security contractors' laying and wiring tens of thousands of individual explosives with *no one noticing* despite the buiding being over 90% occupied, inspected, renovated and maintained....

.....your 'easy explanation' would have us believe that the Port Authority Bomb Squad and their bomb sniffing dogs missed the tens of thousands of bombs too?

All without evidence of a single charge, an inch of blasting wire, a single detonator, nor a spec of residue of any explosive?

Um, no. That's just an awful, awful explanation.

I'd like to read that article about those dogs. Link me to that, would you?

This was 17 years ago. So the links may not be live.

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

National & World News Stories

There's also the memorial page for the dog that died.

Police K9 Sirius... ...was an Explosive Detection Dog with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department. Sirius, along with his partner, Police Officer David Lim, were assigned to the World Trade Center in New York, where their primary duty was to check vehicles entering the Complex, clear unattended bags and sweep areas for VIP safety...
On the morning of September 11, 2001, Sirius and Officer Lim were at their Station located in the basement of Tower Two...

September 11, 2001: Tribute To Sirius, K9 Bomb Detection Dog with the NY/NJ Port Authority Police Department

The bomb theory is already ludicrously implausible. There was no seismic evidence of explosives before the collapse, a physical impossibility. There was no evidence of any bomb found before, during or after the attack.

Nothing. Not a single detonator, not a single inch of blasting wire. Literally nothing.

And there would have had to have been about 50,000 such bombs placed. All without anyone noticing. Not even the Port authority bomb squad.

That's laughably implausible.

Actually, if you read my links I posted previously, there is seismic activity that takes place before the towers collapse, and as your link just showed, the dogs were taken off duty so the explosives could be put into place.

The dogs were removed on a Thursday, 3 days before the towers went down. Reducing your 'months of remodelling' to a mere 72 hours.

It takes months to wire a building using standard gravity fed implosion. The towers would have taken years, with 50,000 bombs bare minimum necessary to bring it down in the manner we saw.

3 days isn't enough time to do this.

And the seismic evidence would have recorded the explosions before the impact. Seismic sensors were in the city. None recorded any such explosions. There were no girders that had been 'cut' in a manner consistent with controlled demolition. There was no apparatus of explosives ever found...not an inch of blasting wire, not a single timer, transceiver, detonator, nothing. Nor was there any explosive residue.

Your theory is just an awful, awful explanation.

The only bombs that would need to be used are the ones covering up the crimes that the planes were meant to take out. For other demolition types, you would need to debunk the alternative hypothesis.

Nope. The building came down *opposite* of controlled demolition. Controlled demolition takes out the main supports at the bottom and lets the building fall, all at the same time. Kicker charges are used to break up the debris. But the entire building falls all at once, all at the same time.

WTC 1 and 2.....fell top to bottom. Exactly opposite controlled demolition. With the collapse beginning at the 77th and 93rd floor respectively. And proceeding, one floor at a time from the impact site down all the way to the ground.

Mandating that each floor would have be destroyed individually. With 226 narrow columns of the outer panels and 47 core columns.....that's about 275 charges per floor, or nearly 50,000 charges to wire the floors beneath the impact site.

With each charge covered up so perfectly that it was imperceptible, leaving no seismic signature, no cut girders, no residue of explosives and zero evidence of ever existing.

In 72 hours?

Um, no. Your explanation is just silly. Occam's Razor alone leaves your theory in tatters.

Let's not do that though. We are never going to agree. Why is it so important for you to bolster such an implausible government conspiracy?

More accurately, the evidence is never going to agree with your theory.

And I follow the evidence.

Occam's razor tells us that the towers couldn't have come down as the establishment tells us it had.

I don't know the details of how it did, I'm not like you, setting up straw men and knocking them down to prove I'm right.

Everyone saw the molten iron, and everyone knows Jet Fuel can't do that.

I'm not doing this with you.

 

[Skylar]

The Port Authority Bomb Squad with Bomb sniffing dogs were there three days before the attack.

In addition to the absolute absurdity of 'security contractors' laying and wiring tens of thousands of individual explosives with *no one noticing* despite the buiding being over 90% occupied, inspected, renovated and maintained....

.....your 'easy explanation' would have us believe that the Port Authority Bomb Squad and their bomb sniffing dogs missed the tens of thousands of bombs too?

All without evidence of a single charge, an inch of blasting wire, a single detonator, nor a spec of residue of any explosive?

Um, no. That's just an awful, awful explanation.

I'd like to read that article about those dogs. Link me to that, would you?

This was 17 years ago. So the links may not be live.

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

National & World News Stories

There's also the memorial page for the dog that died.

Police K9 Sirius... ...was an Explosive Detection Dog with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department. Sirius, along with his partner, Police Officer David Lim, were assigned to the World Trade Center in New York, where their primary duty was to check vehicles entering the Complex, clear unattended bags and sweep areas for VIP safety...
On the morning of September 11, 2001, Sirius and Officer Lim were at their Station located in the basement of Tower Two...

September 11, 2001: Tribute To Sirius, K9 Bomb Detection Dog with the NY/NJ Port Authority Police Department

The bomb theory is already ludicrously implausible. There was no seismic evidence of explosives before the collapse, a physical impossibility. There was no evidence of any bomb found before, during or after the attack.

Nothing. Not a single detonator, not a single inch of blasting wire. Literally nothing.

And there would have had to have been about 50,000 such bombs placed. All without anyone noticing. Not even the Port authority bomb squad.

That's laughably implausible.

Actually, if you read my links I posted previously, there is seismic activity that takes place before the towers collapse, and as your link just showed, the dogs were taken off duty so the explosives could be put into place.

The dogs were removed on a Thursday, 3 days before the towers went down. Reducing your 'months of remodelling' to a mere 72 hours.

It takes months to wire a building using standard gravity fed implosion. The towers would have taken years, with 50,000 bombs bare minimum necessary to bring it down in the manner we saw.

3 days isn't enough time to do this.

And the seismic evidence would have recorded the explosions before the impact. Seismic sensors were in the city. None recorded any such explosions. There were no girders that had been 'cut' in a manner consistent with controlled demolition. There was no apparatus of explosives ever found...not an inch of blasting wire, not a single timer, transceiver, detonator, nothing. Nor was there any explosive residue.

Your theory is just an awful, awful explanation.

The only bombs that would need to be used are the ones covering up the crimes that the planes were meant to take out. For other demolition types, you would need to debunk the alternative hypothesis.

Nope. The building came down *opposite* of controlled demolition. Controlled demolition takes out the main supports at the bottom and lets the building fall, all at the same time. Kicker charges are used to break up the debris. But the entire building falls all at once, all at the same time.

WTC 1 and 2.....fell top to bottom. Exactly opposite controlled demolition. With the collapse beginning at the 77th and 93rd floor respectively. And proceeding, one floor at a time from the impact site down all the way to the ground.

Mandating that each floor would have be destroyed individually. With 226 narrow columns of the outer panels and 47 core columns.....that's about 275 charges per floor, or nearly 50,000 charges to wire the floors beneath the impact site.

With each charge covered up so perfectly that it was imperceptible, leaving no seismic signature, no cut girders, no residue of explosives and zero evidence of ever existing.

In 72 hours?

Um, no. Your explanation is just silly. Occam's Razor alone leaves your theory in tatters.

Let's not do that though. We are never going to agree. Why is it so important for you to bolster such an implausible government conspiracy?

More accurately, the evidence is never going to agree with your theory.

And I follow the evidence.

Occam's razor tells us that the towers couldn't have come down as the establishment tells us it had.

A structural failure is by far the simplest solution that matches the evidence. Once the structural failure began, there was nothing in the building that could withstand the impact of at least 18 stories of falling steel and concrete. You would have seen a collapse, one floor at a time, all the way to the ground.

No magic invisible explosives installed by ninja janitors by the 10s of thousands in only 72 hours necessary.

I don't know the details of how it did, I'm not like you, setting up straw men and knocking them down to prove I'm right.

These aren't strawmen. These are just facts. For example, the towers came down opposite of controlled demolitition, top to bottom. Shall we look at *actual* controlled demolition videos together. You'll see the supports at the bottom are blown out and the entire buiiding falls at once.

That is not how the towers fell. That's just a fact. The collapse began at the point of impact with the planes and proceeded, one floor at a time, all the way to the ground. Top to bottom. While controlled demolition is bottom to top.

You can call this a strawman all you like. But it remains evidence that explicitly contradicts your 'bombs' narrative. As does all the other evidence you ignore.

Everyone saw the molten iron, and everyone knows Jet Fuel can't do that.

You don't know its iron. You assume it must be so. And your assumption isn't a valid basis for an elaborate, hideously convoluted conspiracy theory involving 'black ops' and 'bombs'. Also, bombs don't drip iron.

As I said, your explanation was just awful. Contradicted by evidence, uselessly complicated, wildly complex and fact free. As there is literally no evidence of bombs. closing your eyes and ignoring this doesn't magically make the holes in your theory disappear.

I'm not doing this with you.

I'm just the messenger. Its the evidence that you have a problem with. And will as long as you ignore it.

 

[fncceo]

#howtheydid911

9/11 False Flag: 9/11: How it Was Done, the Science of Demolition

On This Anniversary - 9/11: How it Was Done, the Science of Demolition (Epic Essay)


As public awareness grows about the truth about 9/11, it serves to point out that many features of the towers' destruction fit perfectly with standard patterns of demolition. Evidence which at first seems puzzling is in fact consistent with known demolition techniques.

It is important to know, first, that jet fuel is only kerosene, with no hotter burning temperature in open air than store-bought kerosene or barbecue lighter fluid. With most of the fuel blown out in the impact fireballs anyway, it is patently impossible for mere kerosene and office furniture to have burned any differently from standard office fires, at temperatures of rarely more than 800F before flashover.

WTC 7 differed from Towers One and Two in that WTC7 was a traditional "bottom-up" implosion. The Twin Towers, on the other hand, exhibited the more unfamiliar pattern of a "banana peel" demolition, which starts at the middle or the top of a building and progresses downward. The below demolition in China shows the pattern of streamers of arcing debris that we see coming from the Twin Towers, as the cutting of supports begins high above ground level and works its way down.


Banana Peel Demolition in China next to Twin Towers




Banana peel demolitions are used for taller, narrower buildings, where there is danger of the building tipping over should the bottom be cut and the rest of the sequence not execute perfectly.


But first, just how does a demolition work? Students of the truth about 9/11 will not be surprised to learn that it is essentially the art and science of causing to happen what cannot happen without careful engineering: all structural supports in a building must be cut at essentially the same time, so that all pieces are falling at free-fall acceleration through thin air. It is a difficult undertaking to remove all supports nearly simultaneously in redundantly engineered modern high-rises, with extensive cross-bracing which transfers load from compromised members to sound ones. Even then, failed demolitions are not uncommon.


In the below images we see the principle support columns in the "core" of WTC 1, an extensively cross-braced steel assembly which served as the backbone of the towers, and held 70% of the weight.


Twin Tower core backbone under construction






Illustration of main support columns







One standard technique is the use of "cutter' and "kicker" charges, in which the first set of charges, the cutters, cut the steel beam supports at precisely timed intervals, and the kicker charge "kicks" the cut piece outward. In all the film evidence of the Towers' destruction, straight, cleanly cut pieces of steel beam can be seen spinning outward from the Towers at explosive speeds, across an area at least three times as long as the Towers are wide. Thirty foot, multi-ton pieces of steel beam and perimeter assembly were found nearly three football fields away from the nearest tower, and windows were blown out across the WTC. These startling facts cannot be overstated.


Cut Steel Being Hurled Laterally at Speeds up to 80 MPH




Width of Debris Field





Physicist David Chandler Narrates North Tower Demolition




Using this technique, the pattern of debris one would expect to see lying on the ground after the destruction would be cleanly-cut, straight steel pieces, rather than twisted, heat deformed pretzels of steel as implied by the official "steel got soft and buckled" story. Exactly as predicted, an aerial photo of the debris field shows a thick carpet of arrow-straight, cleanly-cut lengths of steel beam, flung hither and yon.


Aerial View, Steel Debris, from BushArchives.org






Aerial View, Steel Debris, from BushArchives.org







Use of Thermite

In its famous attack on skeptics of the official 9/11 story, Popular Mechanics held that the melting agent thermite had never been used in a demolition before. Ironically it had, on the Chicago Sky Ride in 1935. It was reported in Popular Mechanics.

Thermite works by melting through steel like a hot knife through butter, illustrated in the video below.

Thermite vs. Car VIDEO

Reaching temperatures of 5,000F, thermite can be expected to produce large pools of molten steel and iron. This is exactly what was found, to the puzzlement of rescue workers, in the basements of the Twin Towers.

Relatively slow burning thermite would have been used to weaken strong points in the structures, such as mechanical floors, prior to demolition. So it is of interest that in WTC 2, molten steel seen dripping at around floors 80 and 81 corresponded somewhat, but not exactly, to the mechanical floors at floors 75-77, below.


WTC2 South Tower on 9/11 Molten Metal North-East Corner VIDEO


In the following video demonstrating the use of thermite, the characteristic dripping of molten steel can be seen which exactly replicates, in color and consistency, that seen coming from the towers on a larger scale.


Thermite vs. Steel Plate VIDEO


Another interesting use of thermite can be seen the moment just before each demolition when the perimeter columns around the impact areas seem to bow outward, giving the impression of overload. Thermite melting the core columns so that all load is transferred to the perimeter columns would give precisely this effect.

Another spectacular coincidence is the "fireproofing upgrades" which took place a year before 9/11, but only on floors of or near impact in both Towers, floors 92 - 100 in WTC1, and 77 - 78 of WTC2, which required the vacating of tenants during the work (page 42, NIST NCSTAR1-6A.)

Molten iron and steel was not observed dripping from the building until about ten minutes before destruction. This would be when firefighters were reportingthat the fires were under control and almost out.

One thing which stands out about the presence of molten steel in the basements is that it stayed molten for so long, reported for weeks and even months afterwards. This would require a powerful exothermic reaction, hot enough not just to melt steel, but to raise its temperature considerably above melting point in order for heat to be stored, in the same way that water brought to near boiling cools down into the solid state of ice far more slowly than water at room temperature. With the melting point of steel at 2800F, and the thermite reaction reaching temperatures of 5,000F, the reaction would produce enough heat-energy to keep steel molten - i.e. in liquid state - for long periods of time.

Thus the evidence again fits what we would expect to find in a demolition that was a combination of thermite, and cutter and kicker charges.

On 9/11, cutter charges would simply have been much bigger versions of the steel beam cutter charge (linear shape charge) demonstrated in the video below:

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Linear Shape Charges






A video simulation of the Towers' inner structure posted at Youtube includes an illustration of a cutter-kicker sequence.


Click on images to go to Youtube video, sequence begins at 7:20

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Demolitions Expert Tom Sullivan

A demolitions expert formerly with Controlled Demolitions Inc. (CDI,) which was contracted to help with the clean-up phase at Ground Zero, said in an interview:

"Fire cannot bring down steel-framed high rises — period."
Tom Sullivan grew up with the son of Jack Loizeaux, president and founder of CDI,and a pioneer in the controlled demolitions industry. In an interview with Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Sullivan stated:
"that he knew from the first day that the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11 was a classic controlled implosion. Asked how he thought it might have been done he posited, “looking at the building it wouldn’t be a problem — once you gain access to the elevator shafts…then a team of expert loaders would have hidden access to the core columns and beams. The rest can be accomplished with just the right kind of explosives for the job. Thermite can be used as well.”

Sullivan said:

"I mean, come on, it was complete destruction. I've seen buildings fall like that for years -- that was the end game for me."

The means of igniting and controlling the demolition suggested by Sullivan, interestingly, coincides with the one proposed in an early hypothetical blasting scenario by Jim Hoffman, an artificial intelligence engineer. In the section "Control Architecture" of the scenario Hoffman posits:
Control Architecture

Ignition of the incendiaries and detonation of the explosives is controlled through a wireless network using RF repeaters on every floor of the Towers having pyrotechnics.

Each of the Stage-2 pyrotechnics units -- the kicker charges and explosive sheets -- has an integrated wireless detonator card that includes a 2-channel RF receiver, an accelerometer, logic, dual wafer batteries, and a micro-detonator...

The detonator cards are programmed to respond only to RF signals on the network's broadcast frequencies that have specific codes. The cards are manufactured in batches of cards with identical codes, where each batch has a unique code and is destined for a specific floor of one of the Towers.

Of a detonator card's two channels, one provides the arm signal, and the other provides a detonation signal. Once the arm signal has been received, the detonator will be triggered by either of two events: rapid acceleration detected by the accelerometer, or receipt of the detonation signal.

Below is an image of this kind of system currently on the market for CD companies, published at ae911truth.org (Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.)


Wireless Detonation System





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Conclusion

Once 24/7 access to the towers' interiors and the rest of the WTC complex has been established, the planned destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 becomes a task for which all technology is well-developed and available. Access is established through Marvin Bush, the youngest Bush brother, who was on the board of Securacom, the company which held the security contract for the World Trade Center complex. According to Barry McDaniel, CEO of Securacom, the company held the contract for security “up to the day the buildings fell down.”

The nexus which seems to connect many of key players in the 9/11 plot is the neoconservative think-tank Project for a New American Century (PNAC.) PNAC, whose members included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Elliot Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Zalmay Khalilzad, Scooter Libby, and Richard Armitage, had been openly advocating for an invasion of Iraq since the Clinton administration.

Dov Zakheim, another member of PNAC, had been awarded the contract for the first WTC bombing investigation in 1993. The investigation was done by a fully-owned subsidiary of Zakheim's company SPC, Tridata. The contract assured that not only access to the towers was secured, but also floor plans, blueprints, and all other intimate technical knowledge of the buildings.

Zakeim, who was appointed Comptroller of the Pentagon by Bush upon taking office, was also in charge of the Pentagon's finances at the time $2.3 trillion was announced missing from the Pentagon, on September 10 the day before 9/11.Needless to say, after 9/11 "the day the world changed," the story was dropped from the media.

In another coincidence involving Zakheim, his company SPC (of which he was CEO and main shareholder) also invented remote 'anti-hijack" technology, by which an airliner's controls could be seized from the ground to foil hijackers. This technology has obvious ramifications for misuse in the wrong hands.

In a city like New York, the world's most dynamic metropolis, the "city that never sleeps," extra work crews, maintenance crews, technicians, and delivery trucks working round-the-clock would not be noticed. Nevertheless, some people did notice certain unusual events, such as a series of "power downs" and a generally unusual amount of activity in the months before 9/11. In the below video a worker describes a "power down" condition days before 9/11, which would have disabled security cameras and alarms.

Worker Describes "Power Down" Days Before 9/11 VIDEO

One favorite contention of defenders of the official story is that the aircraft impacts would have set-off or destroyed explosive charges. But the loss of a number of charges would be of no consequence in a redundantly "wired" impact zone, since only specific encoded signals could actually arm and trigger the entire detonation sequence.

As Air Force Col. Bob Bowman once said: "If they have nothing to hide, why are they hiding everything?" The immediate, illegal destruction of 99.5% of the steel evidence, shipped to and melted in China, ensures that the vast majority of the steel can never be examined and tested to either confirm or disprove the presence of the above demolition techniques. This alone, said Bowman, is evidence of guilt.

Some kinds of thermite can be applied in a "sol-gel" solution, which can be rolled on like paint, or fireproofing. Think how inconvenient, then, to have steel beams examined and found to have layers of residual thermite paint. It is no wonder that putting the steel onto ships bound for China, immediately, was of the utmost importance, even if it represented felony destruction of evidence.

In the end the testimony of firefighters and other responders, like Firefighter John Schroeder below, stands as the most powerful indicator of what happened that day. Schroeder, who says he does not believe the official story, and who was on the 24th floor of the North Tower, reports explosions rocking the building from the inside, as it seemed to "disintegrate" from the core and the stairwells. This is precisely the part of the structure which would be most critical to weaken before a final demolition sequence.


Firefighter John Schroeder VIDEO

There is no shortage of testimony corroborating Schroeder's description of explosions throughout the morning, which might correspond to the preliminary weakening of the buildings' strong points. Not one of these reports of explosions was included in the official 9/11 Commission report.

One such explosion is captured on video below.


Prep Charge Explosion VIDEO

The audio evidence includes footage of what is clearly an accelerating demolition sequence, below.


Explosive Sequence, South Tower

Finally, there is the plethora of other puzzles beyond the scope of this essay, the scheduling of multiple war-games on the fateful day which sent much of the air defense force outside the nation's borders, the fantastic sudden flying skills of incompetent pilots, and of course the impossibility of the official explanation relying on a notion of mass accelerating in proportion to its increasing weight, which is a physics chimera (all mass of any weight accelerates to the ground at the same rate, and can only go slower as it meets resistance, not faster, as it was shown by Galileo.)



Other anomalies and coincidences in the evidence of 9/11 continue to arise, and together with the above demolition hypothesis continue to provide clues as to just how it was done.

This essay is dedicated to U.S. Air Force Colonel Dr. Robert Bowman, (1934-2013,) without whom the movement for 9/11 truth would not be where it is today.

Important further reading and resources

U.S. Military Officers and Patriots Question 9/11

9/11 Skeptics to Mark Anniversary with Vigils, Lawsuit

9/11Evidence.org

9/11 Truth Action Project

9/11Research

Pilots for 9/11 Truth

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Documentary: 9/11 The New Pearl Harbor





James Madison is a pseudonym in the tradition of the American Revolution's Publius, in order that arguments must be judged solely on the merits.

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[MisterBeale]

I'd like to read that article about those dogs. Link me to that, would you?

This was 17 years ago. So the links may not be live.

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

National & World News Stories

There's also the memorial page for the dog that died.

Police K9 Sirius... ...was an Explosive Detection Dog with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department. Sirius, along with his partner, Police Officer David Lim, were assigned to the World Trade Center in New York, where their primary duty was to check vehicles entering the Complex, clear unattended bags and sweep areas for VIP safety...
On the morning of September 11, 2001, Sirius and Officer Lim were at their Station located in the basement of Tower Two...

September 11, 2001: Tribute To Sirius, K9 Bomb Detection Dog with the NY/NJ Port Authority Police Department

The bomb theory is already ludicrously implausible. There was no seismic evidence of explosives before the collapse, a physical impossibility. There was no evidence of any bomb found before, during or after the attack.

Nothing. Not a single detonator, not a single inch of blasting wire. Literally nothing.

And there would have had to have been about 50,000 such bombs placed. All without anyone noticing. Not even the Port authority bomb squad.

That's laughably implausible.

Actually, if you read my links I posted previously, there is seismic activity that takes place before the towers collapse, and as your link just showed, the dogs were taken off duty so the explosives could be put into place.

The dogs were removed on a Thursday, 3 days before the towers went down. Reducing your 'months of remodelling' to a mere 72 hours.

It takes months to wire a building using standard gravity fed implosion. The towers would have taken years, with 50,000 bombs bare minimum necessary to bring it down in the manner we saw.

3 days isn't enough time to do this.

And the seismic evidence would have recorded the explosions before the impact. Seismic sensors were in the city. None recorded any such explosions. There were no girders that had been 'cut' in a manner consistent with controlled demolition. There was no apparatus of explosives ever found...not an inch of blasting wire, not a single timer, transceiver, detonator, nothing. Nor was there any explosive residue.

Your theory is just an awful, awful explanation.

The only bombs that would need to be used are the ones covering up the crimes that the planes were meant to take out. For other demolition types, you would need to debunk the alternative hypothesis.

Nope. The building came down *opposite* of controlled demolition. Controlled demolition takes out the main supports at the bottom and lets the building fall, all at the same time. Kicker charges are used to break up the debris. But the entire building falls all at once, all at the same time.

WTC 1 and 2.....fell top to bottom. Exactly opposite controlled demolition. With the collapse beginning at the 77th and 93rd floor respectively. And proceeding, one floor at a time from the impact site down all the way to the ground.

Mandating that each floor would have be destroyed individually. With 226 narrow columns of the outer panels and 47 core columns.....that's about 275 charges per floor, or nearly 50,000 charges to wire the floors beneath the impact site.

With each charge covered up so perfectly that it was imperceptible, leaving no seismic signature, no cut girders, no residue of explosives and zero evidence of ever existing.

In 72 hours?

Um, no. Your explanation is just silly. Occam's Razor alone leaves your theory in tatters.

Let's not do that though. We are never going to agree. Why is it so important for you to bolster such an implausible government conspiracy?

More accurately, the evidence is never going to agree with your theory.

And I follow the evidence.

Occam's razor tells us that the towers couldn't have come down as the establishment tells us it had.

A structural failure is by far the simplest solution that matches the evidence. Once the structural failure began, there was nothing in the building that could withstand the impact of at least 18 stories of falling steel and concrete. You would have seen a collapse, one floor at a time, all the way to the ground.

No magic invisible explosives installed by ninja janitors by the 10s of thousands in only 72 hours necessary.

I don't know the details of how it did, I'm not like you, setting up straw men and knocking them down to prove I'm right.

These aren't strawmen. These are just facts. For example, the towers came down opposite of controlled demolitition, top to bottom. Shall we look at *actual* controlled demolition videos together. You'll see the supports at the bottom are blown out and the entire buiiding falls at once.

That is not how the towers fell. That's just a fact. The collapse began at the point of impact with the planes and proceeded, one floor at a time, all the way to the ground. Top to bottom. While controlled demolition is bottom to top.

You can call this a strawman all you like. But it remains evidence that explicitly contradicts your 'bombs' narrative. As does all the other evidence you ignore.

Everyone saw the molten iron, and everyone knows Jet Fuel can't do that.

You don't know its iron. You assume it must be so. And your assumption isn't a valid basis for an elaborate, hideously convoluted conspiracy theory involving 'black ops' and 'bombs'. Also, bombs don't drip iron.

As I said, your explanation was just awful. Contradicted by evidence, uselessly complicated, wildly complex and fact free. As there is literally no evidence of bombs. closing your eyes and ignoring this doesn't magically make the holes in your theory disappear.

I'm not doing this with you.

I'm just the messenger. Its the evidence that you have a problem with. And will as long as you ignore it.

As a messenger, you are full of shit. You don't care about the evidence, you care about a cover up.

Everyone knows there was molten steel there, now you are just lying.

A Search for Clues In Towers' Collapse; Engineers Volunteer to Examine Steel Debris Taken to Scrapyards
"Perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation involves extremely thin bits of steel collected from the trade towers and from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story high rise that also collapsed for unknown reasons. The steel apparently melted away, but no fire in any of the buildings was believed to be hot enough to melt steel outright.

A preliminary analysis of the steel at Worcester Polytechnic Institute using electron microscopes suggests that sulfur released during the fires -- no one knows from where -- may have combined with atoms in the steel to form compounds that melt at lower temperatures."

A Search for Clues In Towers' Collapse; Engineers Volunteer to Examine Steel Debris Taken to Scrapyards

 

[Skylar]

As a messenger, you are full of shit. You don't care about the evidence, you care about a cover up.

Says the man that just switched topics. Sigh.....predictably. Now you want to switch the topic to WTC 7..

Everyone knows there was molten steel there, now you are just lying.

'Everyone knows' is what you say when you can't factually establish your claims. As you demonstrate a moment later by switching to WTC 7.

Who says that WTC 7 steel 'apparently melted away'? That wasn't the findings of the FDNY nor the Putting the word 'apparently' in front of your accusation as much a tell as saying 'everyone knows' before your claim.

The entire premise that the steel 'melting away' in the WTC 7....is a strawman. As is the claim that its collapse was a 'mystery'.

A Search for Clues In Towers' Collapse; Engineers Volunteer to Examine Steel Debris Taken to Scrapyards
"Perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation involves extremely thin bits of steel collected from the trade towers and from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story high rise that also collapsed for unknown reasons. The steel apparently melted away, but no fire in any of the buildings was believed to be hot enough to melt steel outright.

A preliminary analysis of the steel at Worcester Polytechnic Institute using electron microscopes suggests that sulfur released during the fires -- no one knows from where -- may have combined with atoms in the steel to form compounds that melt at lower temperatures."

A Search for Clues In Towers' Collapse; Engineers Volunteer to Examine Steel Debris Taken to Scrapyards

The WTC 7 didn't collapse wasn't a mystery. The FDNY anticipated its collapse due to fire and structural damage *hours* before it came down. The building sustained massive damage from the collapsing towers and had fires that the FDNY couldn't fight. They never once concluded that the steel was 'melting away'.

So the FDNY pulled their fire fighting effort, put a transit on the building and measured its leaning and bulging as the fires raged inside. The FDNY created a collapse zone around WTC 7 and evacuated the area. Don't take my word for it. Here are the accounts from the FDNY firefighters who were there such as the eye witness account of Fire Chief Frank Fellini.

The major concern at that time at that particular location was number Seven, building number seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing.

So for the next five or six hours we kept firefighters from working anywhere near that building, which included the whole north side of the World Trade Center complex. Eventually around 5:00 or a little after, building number seven came down.

Fire Chief Frank Fellini

https://static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110217.PDF

And Chief Frank Cruthers.

Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area

-- Q. A collapse zone?

A. Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed. They shut down the power, and when it did collapse, the things that they were concerned with would have been. That's about it.

Chief Frank Cruthers

https://static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110179.PDF

And Fire chief Daniel Nigro

The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we wouldn't lose any more people.

Fire chief Daniel Nigro

https://static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110154.PDF

And Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?

Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

And Lieutenant Rudolf Weindler

...Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.

LIEUTENANT RUDOLF WEINDLER

https://static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110154.PDF

The idea that the collapse of WTC 7 was a 'mystery' is blithering nonsense. The FDNY called it hours before it came down.

Even the premise of the 'apparently melted away' nonsense is just useless idiocy. As steel need not melt or come close to melting to lose its strength.

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

9/11 Conspiracy Theories - World Trade Center - Debunking the Myths

You don't need to melt steel for it collapse. You need to *heat* steel for it to collapse. And of course, jet fuel was merely the accelerant and ignition source. It was hardly the only thing burning. Especially in WTC 7....which wasn't hit by a plane.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

9/11 Conspiracy Theories - World Trade Center - Debunking the Myths

Once again you've found the stupidest and most uselessly complicated explanations to cling to your conspiracy. While ignoring the most obvious, most evidence backed, and the conclusions backed by the engineering studies and the FDNY:

Fire and structural damage

 

[gipper]

After all the lies our government been caught in, is it really that hard to believe they are lying to us about 9/11?

 

[Skylar]

After all the lies our government been caught in, is it really that hard to believe they are lying to us about 9/11?

The conspiracy would have to be vast, far beyond simply 'the government'. It would involve virtually all the eye witnesses, virtually every first reponder, virtually every fire fighter, the FDNY, the NYPD, all the people stuck on the highway beside the pentagon when a plane flew overhead.

It would involve the news reporters who identified plane wreckage outside the Pentagon, the FAA, all the air controllers involved, the ASCE that did engineering reports.

All with an absolute perfection of secrecy that has lasted 17 years? Absolute nonsense.

Your own argument demonstrates the absurdity of the entire idea. 'After all the lies our government has been caught in'. Exactly. The government is ludicrously porous. There are leaks all the time. Contractors leak information, folks leak memos, there are whistleblowers, or people make plea deals.

The conspiracy being described would have been absolutely enormous involving thousands if not tens of thousands of people. There is essentially no chance that this would be kept under wraps. None. And every year that goes by with no massive reveal.....just reduces the odds that it was a conspiracy.