Oklahoma banned students could sue the college and win big

[LoneLaugher]

Now that this thread has run its course I have an observation, most people posting are hypocrites.

The side supporting the school forgets that they did not support a business that did exactly as the school did. I can certainly see where they don't agree with the baker or the florist that stands on their principle but none the less what they were doing is no less then what the school was doing. On the other hand those who supported the kids chanting racism and thus were denied service are the same ones that said the baker and the florist had the right to refuse services.

Talk about wanting both ways.

Seems to me that if services can be denied because of rhetoric then certainly services should be allowed to be denied if such services goes against sincerely held beliefs. But I doubt either side will see the hypocrisy in their positions.

Oooohhhh! Look! The dumbass thinks he's caught everyone in his web!!

You think that OU should be allowed to deny admission to the *******, don't you? And....the local Wal Mart should be able to tell a pair of dudes holding hands to leave the store, right?

You are a nut. So you siding with the school here doesn't carry any weight. Your motivation is fucked up.

Dear LoneLaugher of course you cannot compare
a public university having an anti-discrimination policy
with a business that doesn't have an anti-gay policy.

However, you can compare LOOSELY how one group wants to
sue the university to force it to defend the free speech of students that is against their social beliefs,
while opposing lawsuits against businesses for not accommodating gay weddings that are against their beliefs;
and another group supports the school in rejecting students whose behavior they disagree with
as offensive, while condemning businesses for rejecting customers with gay weddings
they don't believe in being forced to attend or photograph because it's against their beliefs.

I don't read your stuff. Thought you'd like to know.

 

[Geaux4it]

Now that this thread has run its course I have an observation, most people posting are hypocrites.

The side supporting the school forgets that they did not support a business that did exactly as the school did. I can certainly see where they don't agree with the baker or the florist that stands on their principle but none the less what they were doing is no less then what the school was doing. On the other hand those who supported the kids chanting racism and thus were denied service are the same ones that said the baker and the florist had the right to refuse services.

Talk about wanting both ways.

Seems to me that if services can be denied because of rhetoric then certainly services should be allowed to be denied if such services goes against sincerely held beliefs. But I doubt either side will see the hypocrisy in their positions.

Oooohhhh! Look! The dumbass thinks he's caught everyone in his web!!

You think that OU should be allowed to deny admission to the *******, don't you? And....the local Wal Mart should be able to tell a pair of dudes holding hands to leave the store, right?

You are a nut. So you siding with the school here doesn't carry any weight. Your motivation is fucked up.

Dear LoneLaugher of course you cannot compare
a public university having an anti-discrimination policy
with a business that doesn't have an anti-gay policy.

However, you can compare LOOSELY how one group wants to
sue the university to force it to defend the free speech of students that is against their social beliefs,
while opposing lawsuits against businesses for not accommodating gay weddings that are against their beliefs;
and another group supports the school in rejecting students whose behavior they disagree with
as offensive, while condemning businesses for rejecting customers with gay weddings
they don't believe in being forced to attend or photograph because it's against their beliefs.

I don't read your stuff. Thought you'd like to know.

We know you don't read. That's why you think being a radical leftist has merit

-Geaux

 

[Freewill]

Now that this thread has run its course I have an observation, most people posting are hypocrites.

The side supporting the school forgets that they did not support a business that did exactly as the school did. I can certainly see where they don't agree with the baker or the florist that stands on their principle but none the less what they were doing is no less then what the school was doing. On the other hand those who supported the kids chanting racism and thus were denied service are the same ones that said the baker and the florist had the right to refuse services.

Talk about wanting both ways.

Seems to me that if services can be denied because of rhetoric then certainly services should be allowed to be denied if such services goes against sincerely held beliefs. But I doubt either side will see the hypocrisy in their positions.

Oooohhhh! Look! The dumbass thinks he's caught everyone in his web!!

You think that OU should be allowed to deny admission to the *******, don't you? And....the local Wal Mart should be able to tell a pair of dudes holding hands to leave the store, right?

You are a nut. So you siding with the school here doesn't carry any weight. Your motivation is fucked up.

So you can't disagree with what I said so you pervert what I said so you can attack your perversion and then throw insults. Not very intelligent of you but I expect that from a hypocrite liberal. I didn't catch anyone, you folks fell in a hole of hypocrisy.

 

[Freewill]

Now that this thread has run its course I have an observation, most people posting are hypocrites.

The side supporting the school forgets that they did not support a business that did exactly as the school did. I can certainly see where they don't agree with the baker or the florist that stands on their principle but none the less what they were doing is no less then what the school was doing. On the other hand those who supported the kids chanting racism and thus were denied service are the same ones that said the baker and the florist had the right to refuse services.

Talk about wanting both ways.

Seems to me that if services can be denied because of rhetoric then certainly services should be allowed to be denied if such services goes against sincerely held beliefs. But I doubt either side will see the hypocrisy in their positions.

Oooohhhh! Look! The dumbass thinks he's caught everyone in his web!!

You think that OU should be allowed to deny admission to the *******, don't you? And....the local Wal Mart should be able to tell a pair of dudes holding hands to leave the store, right?

You are a nut. So you siding with the school here doesn't carry any weight. Your motivation is fucked up.

Dear LoneLaugher of course you cannot compare
a public university having an anti-discrimination policy
with a business that doesn't have an anti-gay policy.

However, you can compare LOOSELY how one group wants to
sue the university to force it to defend the free speech of students that is against their social beliefs,
while opposing lawsuits against businesses for not accommodating gay weddings that are against their beliefs;
and another group supports the school in rejecting students whose behavior they disagree with
as offensive, while condemning businesses for rejecting customers with gay weddings
they don't believe in being forced to attend or photograph because it's against their beliefs.

The businesses I mentioned do have a policy and that policy was not supporting practices to which goes against their religious beliefs. In the OU case where did anyone get discriminated against? There is no grounds for a discrimination lawsuit. In the case of OU the kids were offensive that is for sure but speech sometimes is offensive, that offensive language was why they were expelled. IF that is the right of OU then it is equally the right of the baker to refuse to support a ceremony he finds offensive. Whether or not I agree with him or the students or OU.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Free speech does not in fact protect you from the consequences of that speech. The chant was racist, extremely racist. These were stupid kids who should be docked hours or something, not completely expelled from the University.

If you allow any punishment at all, you are supporting the University. The degree of punishment is of no consequence.

Let them have their free speech. They can say whatever they want.

In the end, if the students apologized and choose not to sue and attract more backlash
I respect that. If TK and JR had been the two students, maybe things would be different.

"If" is a dangerous word. I would never do something so colossally stupid. I must resent the notion of ever being placed in their shoes so to speak. Free speech is free, but it doesn't protect you from your stupidity.

The school overreacted and most likely infringed on their First Amendment rights, but those kids should have chosen a better chant than that one, which consists of using better judgement.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Now that this thread has run its course I have an observation, most people posting are hypocrites.

The side supporting the school forgets that they did not support a business that did exactly as the school did. I can certainly see where they don't agree with the baker or the florist that stands on their principle but none the less what they were doing is no less then what the school was doing. On the other hand those who supported the kids chanting racism and thus were denied service are the same ones that said the baker and the florist had the right to refuse services.

Talk about wanting both ways.

Seems to me that if services can be denied because of rhetoric then certainly services should be allowed to be denied if such services goes against sincerely held beliefs. But I doubt either side will see the hypocrisy in their positions.

Oooohhhh! Look! The dumbass thinks he's caught everyone in his web!!

You think that OU should be allowed to deny admission to the *******, don't you? And....the local Wal Mart should be able to tell a pair of dudes holding hands to leave the store, right?

You are a nut. So you siding with the school here doesn't carry any weight. Your motivation is fucked up.

So you can't disagree with what I said so you pervert what I said so you can attack your perversion and then throw insults. Not very intelligent of you but I expect that from a hypocrite liberal. I didn't catch anyone, you folks fell in a hole of hypocrisy.

Ahh the ye Olde strawman argument. Don't let it get to you, Free.

 

[sealybobo]

I think they are over reacting because they want to send a message. How many black frats sing there will never be a honky lambda lambda lambda or omega moo?

They just haven't been caught.

What I wonder is why nobody is concerned about some rap music ON THE AIR, in stores, open to the public that talks about killing whiteys/honkies/crackers, etc but focus on some stupid frat students doing the same thing but in the privacy of a bus?

Maybe the word starts with an H.

I'm a good person. My friends are all good people. We go up to my buddies cabin on 300 acres there isnt a black in 100 miles of us. We drink by the campfire and yell NIGGA as loud as we can. Why? Because there isnt a black within ear shot. None of us are any more or less racist than the average white or black person.

Although this one girl won't go when were there because she's offended. Big baby.

Oh but FYI in college this frat bro of mine tried throwing out a black guy from one of our parties and I beat him up. I hate racists.

In the privacy of my home, I don't whisper to Mr Gracie "that N pissed me off". I don't go to the beach when I run the dogs and yell nigg*r because none are around, either. The thought never crosses my mind to do so. But I understand that it can happen with some folks. Maybe the black guys telling their bros to kill ****** are nice guys too and its just a way to make a buck. Who knows.

What my opinion is....they were being idiots on the bus. It was not in public. No black person was hurt over their stupid song because none heard it. Yet rap songs on the radio about killing cops, killing whities, killing this one or that one..we are doomed with. Why is that?

Don't answer. You can't. Neither can anyone else. Why? Because they would be wearing the H word.

When you say you dont whisper it do you mean you say it loud and agerly or you dont ever ever say it in your home. My parents would never. We say it in the woods because its the only place we are sure we're alone.

Could you imagine if a black was lost in the woods at night and heard us? Lol.

There is something seriously wrong with you. You have this overwhelming need to go in the woods and yell racial slurs? Really. Yer a fruitloop.

And I am betting you went to see Schindler's List, headed to the balcony where it's dark, and had a snit of giggles, right?

Not at all. We think its funny because we aren't hurting anyone.

 

[sealybobo]

So from now on, anytime college kids sing juvenile stupid songs about Asians, Jews, blacks, whites, etc. we should be looking forward to expulsions and suspensions?

Can anybody cite any other time something like this has happened? Because if not then that means this is the first time college kids sang a racist song on campus?

Is that's as far as your thinking takes you, then yes, that must be what it means.

So is it or isn't it the first time this has happened? And if not what were the consequences?

I think they are over reacting because they want to send a message. How many black frats sing there will never be a honky lambda lambda lambda or omega moo?

They just haven't been caught.

What I wonder is why nobody is concerned about some rap music ON THE AIR, in stores, open to the public that talks about killing whiteys/honkies/crackers, etc but focus on some stupid frat students doing the same thing but in the privacy of a bus?

Maybe the word starts with an H.

Name one song with such lyrics. Name one without doing an internet search you dried up old hag. All you are doing is regurgitating what another one of your racist friends is spewing...who is regurgitating what the heard.

I asked her for examples too and I explained the difference to her.

What do you think about us yelling the n word in the woods? You must know were just being stupid.

We dont sit around talking badly about black people ever. We just every once in awhile yell NIGGA!

 

[sealybobo]

I think they are over reacting because they want to send a message. How many black frats sing there will never be a honky lambda lambda lambda or omega moo?

They just haven't been caught.

What I wonder is why nobody is concerned about some rap music ON THE AIR, in stores, open to the public that talks about killing whiteys/honkies/crackers, etc but focus on some stupid frat students doing the same thing but in the privacy of a bus?

Maybe the word starts with an H.

I'm a good person. My friends are all good people. We go up to my buddies cabin on 300 acres there isnt a black in 100 miles of us. We drink by the campfire and yell NIGGA as loud as we can. Why? Because there isnt a black within ear shot. None of us are any more or less racist than the average white or black person.

Although this one girl won't go when were there because she's offended. Big baby.

Oh but FYI in college this frat bro of mine tried throwing out a black guy from one of our parties and I beat him up. I hate racists.

In the privacy of my home, I don't whisper to Mr Gracie "that N pissed me off". I don't go to the beach when I run the dogs and yell nigg*r because none are around, either. The thought never crosses my mind to do so. But I understand that it can happen with some folks. Maybe the black guys telling their bros to kill ****** are nice guys too and its just a way to make a buck. Who knows.

What my opinion is....they were being idiots on the bus. It was not in public. No black person was hurt over their stupid song because none heard it. Yet rap songs on the radio about killing cops, killing whities, killing this one or that one..we are doomed with. Why is that?

Don't answer. You can't. Neither can anyone else. Why? Because they would be wearing the H word.

When you say you dont whisper it do you mean you say it loud and agerly or you dont ever ever say it in your home. My parents would never. We say it in the woods because its the only place we are sure we're alone.

Could you imagine if a black was lost in the woods at night and heard us? Lol.

There is something seriously wrong with you. You have this overwhelming need to go in the woods and yell racial slurs? Really. Yer a fruitloop.

And I am betting you went to see Schindler's List, headed to the balcony where it's dark, and had a snit of giggles, right?

I love it that nutz says you're wrong not me even though I said the n word in the woods. I guess your intensions matter. He must know I dont have bad intensions behind yelling the n word in the woods. Now if I was saying bad things about blacks that would be different but I wasn't. I was just yelling a word. Can you tell me any other words I'm not allowed to say?

 

[sealybobo]

I think they are over reacting because they want to send a message. How many black frats sing there will never be a honky lambda lambda lambda or omega moo?

They just haven't been caught.

What I wonder is why nobody is concerned about some rap music ON THE AIR, in stores, open to the public that talks about killing whiteys/honkies/crackers, etc but focus on some stupid frat students doing the same thing but in the privacy of a bus?

Maybe the word starts with an H.

I'm a good person. My friends are all good people. We go up to my buddies cabin on 300 acres there isnt a black in 100 miles of us. We drink by the campfire and yell NIGGA as loud as we can. Why? Because there isnt a black within ear shot. None of us are any more or less racist than the average white or black person.

Although this one girl won't go when were there because she's offended. Big baby.

Oh but FYI in college this frat bro of mine tried throwing out a black guy from one of our parties and I beat him up. I hate racists.

In the privacy of my home, I don't whisper to Mr Gracie "that N pissed me off". I don't go to the beach when I run the dogs and yell nigg*r because none are around, either. The thought never crosses my mind to do so. But I understand that it can happen with some folks. Maybe the black guys telling their bros to kill ****** are nice guys too and its just a way to make a buck. Who knows.

What my opinion is....they were being idiots on the bus. It was not in public. No black person was hurt over their stupid song because none heard it. Yet rap songs on the radio about killing cops, killing whities, killing this one or that one..we are doomed with. Why is that?

Don't answer. You can't. Neither can anyone else. Why? Because they would be wearing the H word.

When you say you dont whisper it do you mean you say it loud and agerly or you dont ever ever say it in your home. My parents would never. We say it in the woods because its the only place we are sure we're alone.

Could you imagine if a black was lost in the woods at night and heard us? Lol.

There is something seriously wrong with you. You have this overwhelming need to go in the woods and yell racial slurs? Really. Yer a fruitloop.

And I am betting you went to see Schindler's List, headed to the balcony where it's dark, and had a snit of giggles, right?

U should never call a black person the n word and its not nice to refer to blacks as niggas but is it really so bad just to yell out a bad word? Tell me one more word I can't yell in private. Just one.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There's nothing illegal about singing a racist tune. What's more... as the Rap Industry proves day in and out, it's a constitutionally PROTECTED RIGHT!

There's also nothing illegal about a university expelling the racists.

LOL!!! Yeah, there is somethng highly illegal about it. Or have you missed the last 57 pages of this discussion, which is what you usually do?

besides there being nothing illegal about it.you just support other racists

The idiot thinks that universities can't have a code of conduct. It's amazingly retarded.

Did he?

Let's see... Let me re-read what was said...

NOPE...

So what we have from the above cited contributor, is obfuscation wherein they knowingly project deceit, as fact, as a fraudulent means to influence the ignorant.

OKA: Yielding from the standing points, due to the inability to sustain a contest of those points: AKA: A CONCESSION!

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

He claimed it's illegal to expel to expel students for this type of behavior. He's dead wrong.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So from now on, anytime college kids sing juvenile stupid songs about Asians, Jews, blacks, whites, etc. we should be looking forward to expulsions and suspensions?

Can anybody cite any other time something like this has happened? Because if not then that means this is the first time college kids sang a racist song on campus?

Is that's as far as your thinking takes you, then yes, that must be what it means.

So is it or isn't it the first time this has happened? And if not what were the consequences?

I think they are over reacting because they want to send a message. How many black frats sing there will never be a honky lambda lambda lambda or omega moo?

They just haven't been caught.

What I wonder is why nobody is concerned about some rap music ON THE AIR, in stores, open to the public that talks about killing whiteys/honkies/crackers, etc but focus on some stupid frat students doing the same thing but in the privacy of a bus?

Maybe the word starts with an H.

Nobody is concerned about certain rap music? lol, it been attacked for years.

 

[rightwinger]

Free speech does not in fact protect you from the consequences of that speech. The chant was racist, extremely racist. These were stupid kids who should be docked hours or something, not completely expelled from the University.

Agreed. Expelling them broke free speech laws. Clearly.

Clearly. Any university who gets grants or aid from the government is bound to the same Constitution the government itself is.

You can get kicked out of the Army for the same thing and they are a branch of the government

Free speech does not mean no consequences

 

[Geaux4it]

Free speech does not in fact protect you from the consequences of that speech. The chant was racist, extremely racist. These were stupid kids who should be docked hours or something, not completely expelled from the University.

Agreed. Expelling them broke free speech laws. Clearly.

Clearly. Any university who gets grants or aid from the government is bound to the same Constitution the government itself is.

You can get kicked out of the Army for the same thing and they are a branch of the government

Free speech does not mean no consequences

Whats wrong with calling a black.. ******... when said ******* call each other that, and also call us crackers?

I can wait

-Geaux

 

[NYcarbineer]

Free speech does not in fact protect you from the consequences of that speech. The chant was racist, extremely racist. These were stupid kids who should be docked hours or something, not completely expelled from the University.

Agreed. Expelling them broke free speech laws. Clearly.

Clearly. Any university who gets grants or aid from the government is bound to the same Constitution the government itself is.

You can get kicked out of the Army for the same thing and they are a branch of the government

Free speech does not mean no consequences

Whats wrong with calling a black.. ******... when said ******* call each other that, and also call us crackers?

I can wait

-Geaux

Wait for what? Oz to give you a brain?

 

[rightwinger]

Free speech does not in fact protect you from the consequences of that speech. The chant was racist, extremely racist. These were stupid kids who should be docked hours or something, not completely expelled from the University.

Agreed. Expelling them broke free speech laws. Clearly.

Clearly. Any university who gets grants or aid from the government is bound to the same Constitution the government itself is.

You can get kicked out of the Army for the same thing and they are a branch of the government

Free speech does not mean no consequences

Whats wrong with calling a black.. ******... when said ******* call each other that, and also call us crackers?

I can wait

-Geaux

Because blacks are allowed to call each other n*gger and whites aren't

Easy isn't it?

 

[Jarhead]

I find their actions deplorable as I find the same actions of rappers deplorable. I denounce both for their actions.

However, for some reason, rappers make millions and receive awards when they sing the word ****** and white folk get expelled from school and threatened.

Interesting.

 

[Redfish]

Free speech does not in fact protect you from the consequences of that speech. The chant was racist, extremely racist. These were stupid kids who should be docked hours or something, not completely expelled from the University.

Agreed. Expelling them broke free speech laws. Clearly.

Clearly. Any university who gets grants or aid from the government is bound to the same Constitution the government itself is.

You can get kicked out of the Army for the same thing and they are a branch of the government

Free speech does not mean no consequences

Whats wrong with calling a black.. ******... when said ******* call each other that, and also call us crackers?

I can wait

-Geaux

Because blacks are allowed to call each other n*gger and whites aren't

Easy isn't it?

So the word is, or is not, an insult depending on who says it??????? are you fricken crazy?

 

[Liminal]

Wake me up "when" they get attorney's.

You slept through your own thread already.

 

[rightwinger]

Agreed. Expelling them broke free speech laws. Clearly.

Clearly. Any university who gets grants or aid from the government is bound to the same Constitution the government itself is.

You can get kicked out of the Army for the same thing and they are a branch of the government

Free speech does not mean no consequences

Whats wrong with calling a black.. ******... when said ******* call each other that, and also call us crackers?

I can wait

-Geaux

Because blacks are allowed to call each other n*gger and whites aren't

Easy isn't it?

So the word is, or is not, an insult depending on who says it??????? are you fricken crazy?

Chris Rock explained it best.....

Two fat girls are allowed to joke about how fat they are .......If a skinny girl does it, its just plain mean
Two poor people are allowed to joke about how poor they are....If a rich person does it, its just plain mean