Hey Munin
whats with the anger?
It s nothing personal
The anger is because I just can't believe how much crap is spewed here on the forum: do your really ******* believe that Obama has created a debt the size of the whole US BBP in just 1 year? If so then you have no excuse for your own stupidity/naivety
Obama gives the go ahead for a top secret mission in an ally territory without that countries aproval, taking out terrorist number one just next to a big pakistany army base. He risked the helicopters with the soldiers in it to get shot down by the pakistanis (it was next to their capital, and an "illegal" invasion into their territory: they would have had every right to shoot down the helicoper) and he could have risked capture of US elite troops by extremist muslims or the pakistani army (it was a pakistani army neighbourhood with lots of high ranked pakistani officers living there) .
This president got balls to do this, if it went wrong he would have got not only the republicans burying his political grave: also the lefties would be burying Obama's political grave for his aggressive act.
He did in 1 year what the republicans failed to do in 10 ******* years! Bush and the republicans even got re-elected for promising to get Bin Laden, guess what: they failed ... and this guy delivered
It s pathetic that you guys even deny that this was a risky decision for this president to take, it shows how uninformed you really are. Invading "allied" country with nukes to kill/assasinate a man just next to a large military compound of that country is not a decision "every president would ve taken"[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree here. First of all, Obama threw Single Payer under the bus the minute he took office, despite having campaigned for it during his POTUS Candidacy. Secondly, it's pretty clear that he's going to be keeping mercenary troops in Iraq, whether or not he does what he says he'll do and gets all combat troops out of Iraq by Christmastime. Thirdly, that healthcare "reform" bill that he passed is just a warmed-over, 20 year old, GOP-written POS legislature from the Bill Clinton era. Obama and the Democrats could've and should've gone back to the drawing board, really put their heads together and created and implemented a genuine healthcare reform bill that entailed Single Payer with Universal Healthcare/Medicare for all Americans. Did he do it? No, he and the Democrats took the easy way out and passed a paltry, warmed-over GOP Bill and called it healtcare "reform". Moreover, the Obama Administration threw abortion rights under the bus in order to get this crappy bunch of legislature passed.
Next: Obama didn't even have the gumption to tell Israel to get her troops and her rightwing Israeli Jewish settlers the hell out of West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, stop the horrific treatment and humiliation of innocent Palestinian civilians, as well as the demolition of their homes by the Israeli military, and allow the Palestinians to create their own independent sovereign nation-state alongside Israel in WB, Gaza Strip and East jerusalem. Instead, what did Obama do? The minute he took office, he began parroting AIPAC's line(s), and snuggleld up with Netanyahu, who's too conservative.
Next, Obama and Salazar allowed BP to run amok in the Gulf, drilling 100 some odd miles offshore, and about a mile deep down, causing a real oil gusher, not just a spill. This made already-bad situations in the gulf worse, and destroyed the lives, livelihoods, health, welfare and overall well-being of millions of Gulf area residents. Sure, Obama plugged up the leak, and proposed a moratorium on deep off-shore oil-drilling, but the damage was already done.
Deporting millions upon millions of illegal aliens, expanding and extending the patriot act, with its attacks on Civil Liberties, not closing Gitmo, executing an American citizen instead of trying him in a regular court of law were also pretty disgusting. So was the fact that Obama had special elite U. S. military forces go into Afghanistan and supposedly execute Osama Bin Laden. Hey, first of all, how does anyone
know that we even nailed the right guy, especially since Osama Bin Laden could very well have been dead for ten years prior to that? Secondly, the fact that so many people here in the United States went out that night and partied, laughed and celebrated over this killing was rather ghoulish...and vile. What's unnerving about it is that even presumably intelligent and liberal-minded people
agreed with all this! Thirdly, that kind of action on the part of our government
won't win respect for the United states or the West generally. It just plays right into the hands of the people who hate the United States and the West generally and will make them hate us all the more, and Americans will be
less safe at home, as well as abroad,
not moreso.
Next, since the "Occupation" movements here in the United States have begun, the Obama Administration's Justice department has pretty much given the green light for other elected officials (i. e. big-city mayors, etc.) as well as police departments and other law-enforcement bodies to indiscriminantly wade into groups of peaceful demonstrators who're just exercising their rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech, saying what they think, beating them up and seriously injuring people without thinking twice about it.
I admittedly did not vote for Obama, because I saw all of this coming when he voted for the FISA Bill and for continued funding for our war on Iraq and Afghanistan, and because he took the exact same positions as McCain during the 2008 pre-POTUS election Foreign Policy debate. I wrote in my own ticket instead, and have no regrets.
In short, Obama screwed his voting base...hard.[/QUOTE]
The war in Iraq is over, we won
The single payer was not removed, it just became the mandatory payer
There have been many evil terrorist killed sense 9-11, OBL was the biggest fish, but not the only. His execution was based on information gathered during the GWB admin. I agree that the event to me was not an event to celebrate, well come to think of it for many it was I guess, I felt anger at first that the SOB and his people had caused so much hurt for so many, then relief and i hate to say it, pride (he was assassinated)
The reason we had an explosion 5000' below sea level is because the US govt will not allow us to extract oil (as well as state regulations) 5000' above sea level
) and while you guys are whining about how he s doing nothing he personally gives the order to get Bin Laden (the republicans also had this chance during their term, but they blew it because they didn't give the order ...)
