Ohio Joins The Attempt To Shit on The Constitution and Eliminate The Electoral College

[occupied]

The electoral college was born of slave owners to protect slavery from the abolitionist north. It's origins are tainted and it's original purpose no longer exists. People like to explain that it protects rural voters from irrelevance but what it really does is make minority party votes worthless. If you vote democrat in a red state or republican in a blue state your vote has probably never counted. I want my vote to count.

That is absolutely NOT TRUE. You have no understanding of this republic

You must live in a state where your vote counts for something.

I did a quick calculation and I came up to about 55 million people cast votes in states for a candidate that had zero chance to win that state (I used the winner taking more than 60% of the vote as my cutoff.)

Yes, at it's heart the electoral college is a disenfranchisement tactic left over from a time when slave states wanted their slaves to count towards the presidency without having a vote. It's high time for this affront to the spirit of democracy to go away.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

The constitution gives the states the power to choose how they select their Electors and how they will vote.

you cannot shit on the constitution by doing something it gives the power to do

Al they are doing is moving it closer where we fight and kill each other like they do in the rest of the world including Europe. None of them have checks and balances in their constitutions.

I would be happy to see us move to a parliamentary system.

The two party, winner take all system has given absolute power to the two parties, that are not that much different from each other.

 

[Pogo]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Read your own link Drama Llama. Nothing in it says anything about "ditching the Electoral College". It's actually entirely within the guidelines of the Constitution. Unless of course you can show the class where the COTUS dictates how the states "must" choose electors.

Rotsa ruck finding that Dumbass.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Is the EC written into the Constitution?

I'm sorry to say it is;

The Electoral College is a process, not a place. The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens. ... A majority of 270 electoral votes is required to elect the President.
U. S. Electoral College, Official - What is the Electoral College?

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html


however...It is my contention that people living to day shouldn't be bound by the mistakes of our founders.

they allowed slavery
we fixed that
women couldn't vote
we fixed that
The EC is no longer necessary and isn't allocated fairly. Time for it to go.

 

[22lcidw]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

The constitution gives the states the power to choose how they select their Electors and how they will vote.

you cannot shit on the constitution by doing something it gives the power to do

Al they are doing is moving it closer where we fight and kill each other like they do in the rest of the world including Europe. None of them have checks and balances in their constitutions.

I would be happy to see us move to a parliamentary system.

The two party, winner take all system has given absolute power to the two parties, that are not that much different from each other.

They will not go for that.

 

[Pogo]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

The constitution gives the states the power to choose how they select their Electors and how they will vote.

you cannot shit on the constitution by doing something it gives the power to do

/——/ The Constitution trumps state law and the EC is the constitution

And it's also in the proposal. Your point?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

The constitution gives the states the power to choose how they select their Electors and how they will vote.

you cannot shit on the constitution by doing something it gives the power to do

Al they are doing is moving it closer where we fight and kill each other like they do in the rest of the world including Europe. None of them have checks and balances in their constitutions.

I would be happy to see us move to a parliamentary system.

The two party, winner take all system has given absolute power to the two parties, that are not that much different from each other.

They will not go for that.

of course not, they are not giving up power.

 

[Pogo]

The electoral college was born of slave owners to protect slavery from the abolitionist north. It's origins are tainted and it's original purpose no longer exists. People like to explain that it protects rural voters from irrelevance but what it really does is make minority party votes worthless. If you vote democrat in a red state or republican in a blue state your vote has probably never counted. I want my vote to count.

That is absolutely NOT TRUE. You have no understanding of this republic

Actually it is. Everybody in a locked-red or locked-blue state has effectively no vote at all. You can vote along with the state, you can vote against the state, you can vote for some third party, or you can say "fuck it", stay home and bake a cake. ALL FOUR return exactly the same result with the exception that in the fourth scenario you actually get some cake. Other than that you're entirely irrelevant.

Not only that but in the last election we had 13 NON-locked states:

1. AridZona
2. Colorado
3. Florida
4. Michigan
5. Minnesota
6. Nevada
7. New Hamster
8. New Mexico
9. North Cackalackee
10. Pennsylvania
11. Utah
12. Virginia
13. Wisconsin

--- in which nobody achieved as much as 50% of the state's vote. And yet every one of these states went to Congress and voted unanimously for the one who got closest to 50%, tossing more than half of each state's votes directly into the garbage disposal. This was never the intent of the system, ever.

 

[Pogo]

The electoral college was born of slave owners to protect slavery from the abolitionist north. It's origins are tainted and it's original purpose no longer exists. People like to explain that it protects rural voters from irrelevance but what it really does is make minority party votes worthless. If you vote democrat in a red state or republican in a blue state your vote has probably never counted. I want my vote to count.

That is absolutely NOT TRUE. You have no understanding of this republic

The last sentence from him is correct.

In the state i live in, 2.1 million people vote for Trump and 209,000 voted for Johnson. Both voters had the same impact on the election, both groups of voters accounted for the exact same number of electrical votes...zero

In Texas 3.8 million people voted for Hillary and 283,000 voted for Johnson. Both voters had the same impact on the election, both groups of voters accounted for the exact same number of electrical votes...zero

This is an inherent weakness with the EC but more with the winner take all system that we have.

And one to which both Jefferson and Madison voiced their opposition.
Yet it goes on.

 

[The Original Tree]

Bullshit, it rewrites The Constitution giving all of Ohio’s Electoral Votes to Hillary Clinton even if President Trump Wins Ohio!

IF this were in place in 2016, then it not only stabs Ohio voters in the back, but everyone not living in New York City Chicago, Miami or Los Angelos has Zero Representation in National Elections for President.

It would Completely overturn The 2016 Election and have All The States Trump won 33 of them actually cast their votes for Clinton.

Wake the Hell Up People!

It’s a big Screw You to All The State’s Voters!

These people proposing this need to be hunted down and dragged through the streets then tarred and feathered and set on fire!

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Read your own link Drama Llama. Nothing in it says anything about "ditching the Electoral College". It's actually entirely within the guidelines of the Constitution. Unless of course you can show the class where the COTUS dictates how the states "must" choose electors.

Rotsa ruck finding that Dumbass.

 

[idb]

Is the EC written into the Constitution?

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am12.html

It appears so.
Interesting.
https://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html

 

[The Original Tree]

You realize that The Democrat Party put up over 2,000 Different Presidential candidates in the 50 states in 2016 to try to water down The Electoral College?

Not many people know that! 2,000
People were on The ballot for President in the 50 States in 2016.

This is their next attempt at destroying it!
They want all electoral College Votes Separated from you State nullifying your vote entirely and making your State have No Voice.

Wake up people, if you haven’t figured it out, The Democrat Party declared War on The USA and our Democracy after losing on Election Night in 2016!

To Hell With The Resistance!
To Hell With Them!
To Hell With Tyrants!
It’s Us Or Them!

The electoral college was born of slave owners to protect slavery from the abolitionist north. It's origins are tainted and it's original purpose no longer exists. People like to explain that it protects rural voters from irrelevance but what it really does is make minority party votes worthless. If you vote democrat in a red state or republican in a blue state your vote has probably never counted. I want my vote to count.

That is absolutely NOT TRUE. You have no understanding of this republic

Actually it is. Everybody in a locked-red or locked-blue state has effectively no vote at all. You can vote along with the state, you can vote against the state, you can vote for some third party, or you can say "fuck it", stay home and bake a cake. ALL FOUR return exactly the same result with the exception that in the fourth scenario you actually get some cake. Other than that you're entirely irrelevant.

Not only that but in the last election we had 13 NON-locked states:

1. AridZona
2. Colorado
3. Florida
4. Michigan
5. Minnesota
6. Nevada
7. New Hamster
8. New Mexico
9. North Cackalackee
10. Pennsylvania
11. Utah
12. Virginia
13. Wisconsin

--- in which nobody achieved as much as 50% of the state's vote. And yet every one of these states went to Congress and voted unanimously for the one who got closest to 50%, tossing more than half of each state's votes directly into the garbage disposal. This was never the intent of the system, ever.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Liberal Americans are a greater threat to the republic than anything else.

 

[occupied]

Bullshit, it rewrites The Constitution giving all of Ohio’s Electoral Votes to Hillary Clinton even if President Trump Wins Ohio!

IF this were in place in 2016, then it not only stabs Ohio voters in the back, but everyone not living in New York City Chicago, Miami or Los Angelos has Zero Representation in National Elections for President.

It would Completely overturn The 2016 Election and have All The States Trump won 33 of them actually cast their votes for Clinton.

Wake the Hell Up People!

It’s a big Screw You to All The State’s Voters!

These people proposing this need to be hunted down and dragged through the streets then tarred and feathered and set on fire!

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Read your own link Drama Llama. Nothing in it says anything about "ditching the Electoral College". It's actually entirely within the guidelines of the Constitution. Unless of course you can show the class where the COTUS dictates how the states "must" choose electors.

Rotsa ruck finding that Dumbass.

It gives electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote, how is this unfair? Unfair is my presidential vote has only counted one time in my life.

 

[Marion Morrison]

This is a nationwide organized attempt at cheating in presidential elections cooked up by Democrats.

The spotlight needs to be on this a lot more than it is. They'll name the bills something incredibly opposite to fool people. "The Restore Democracy Act" or something.

 

[occupied]

This is a nationwide organized attempt at cheating in presidential elections cooked up by Democrats.

The spotlight needs to be on this a lot more than it is. They'll name the bills something incredibly opposite to fool people. "The Restore Democracy Act" or something.

Let's see the republicans give up their shameless gerrymandering and voter suppression and then they can complain about cheating.

 

[Pogo]

Bullshit, it rewrites The Constitution giving all of Ohio’s Electoral Votes to Hillary Clinton even if President Trump Wins Ohio!

BULLSHIT. Please (AGAIN) to show the class what part of the Constitution would be "rewritten".

You don't have the foggiest idea what's in the Constitution and what isn't, Dumfuck. ANY state ANYWHERE can choose its Electors any way it likes. It can set up a Ouija board. It can throw darts at names. It can read tea leaves. ALL Constitutional, and there's nothing you can do about it.

IF this were in place in 2016, then it not only stabs Ohio voters in the back, but everyone not living in New York City Chicago, Miami or Los Angelos has Zero Representation in National Elections for President.

It would Completely overturn The 2016 Election and have All The States Trump won 33 of them actually cast their votes for Clinton.

Wake the Hell Up People!

It’s a big Screw You to All The State’s Voters!

As opposed to the big Screw You all the voters who get no representation now --- including Rump voters in New York, California, New England et al.

Blind as a fucking bat.

 

[Pogo]

This is a nationwide organized attempt at cheating in presidential elections cooked up by Democrats.

The spotlight needs to be on this a lot more than it is. They'll name the bills something incredibly opposite to fool people. "The Restore Democracy Act" or something.

"Democrats" like Newt Gingrich? John Anderson?
Or "Democrats" like John Buchanan (R-AL)? Or David Durenberger (R-MN)? Or Jake Garn (R-UT)?

You'll notice some of those guys aren't around any more. That's because the NPVC has been around for 14 years.

 

[bravoactual]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Good. We are a 21st. Century Country voting with a 18th. Century Model. Get rid the damn Electoral College!

 

[22lcidw]

This is a nationwide organized attempt at cheating in presidential elections cooked up by Democrats.

The spotlight needs to be on this a lot more than it is. They'll name the bills something incredibly opposite to fool people. "The Restore Democracy Act" or something.

Let's see the republicans give up their shameless gerrymandering and voter suppression and then they can complain about cheating.

Progs have gotten most of the stuff they ever wanted and it is never enough. You rule many cities but have a problem with smaller ones. There are many Dems who are not totally Progs in those smaller ones and you lost that vote in 2016. You have legalized people chitting in the middle of center city streets in a large city!