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Let me get this straight.. .. You think that Democrats saying no to locking up people for five years because they are looking for a better life would hurt them politically? Guess what it has been tried, only less drastically with the family separations last year. It was such a bad idea that Trump gave up within a few days. And the Democrats are still raising money on the back of it.These wall debates go back and forth to the point they're predictable. We on the right say Trump should fight for the wall funding and not back down. On the left, they say Democrats should not back down on stopping the wall
The real problem is honesty. I think this is how Trump can show how dishonest the Democrats are. Make them an offer they can't accept.
Trump will sign the bill with no funding for the wall if:
Democrats make an official address to the country. They must admit that they have zero interest in stopping illegal immigration. Their short term goal is to make whites a minority in our country. And.......their plans are on making our country a single-party (Democrat) government forever.
OR
Democrats agree to create a bill that would make being here illegal a felony with a five year minimum prison sentence for the first offense. Such a conviction would be followed by immediate deportation, and the convict can never apply for Visa's, green cards, asylum, or citizenship.
While there is no way in hell the Democrats would agree to either agreement, it will at least show the country how they were lying to the public and do not want this problem stopped. Perhaps if Trump did that, people would wake up on election day and remember the offers Democrats refused. It would also finally show their constituents that we were right all along. They don't want to stop illegal immigration. Every other reason they gave for being against the wall is pure BS.
Sure it would hurt them politically. All this time they've been telling us they are for border security, just not a wall. Okay, well if they are for border security, then why not make it a five year minimum prison sentence for anybody caught here illegally?
To half-way intelligent people, it's clear the Democrats want these illegals flowing in like water, but the sheep and headline readers really don't understand this. They really believe that the Democrats actually want border security. By refusing the offer, it would reinforce the point they really don't.
I agree. Make it a felony. Hell in Mexico in years past if you were found illegally in the country you landed in jail.
If the Dems really wanted border security then they would want the wall built like they did in the past. And they did want it. They all voted for it.
Just shows that border security isn't something they want. Oh and of course we got the racist charge from Joe. Color me shocked.
If you want border security you are a racist and a bigot in his fool eyes.
There sure are a lot of racists and bigots in America.
Negotiate with WHO?
Trump walked out when he didn't get his way
"Need government"?The only people that need government are you liberals. You call these liberals hostages, I call them traitors. We seem to be at an empasse.That's not negotiating. That's caving to worthless leftist traitors.How do you negotiate with NO?
You say, "yes" and open the govt.
No. That's not inflicting pain on people who have nothing to do with it.
Holding hostages is not negotiating.
It's obvious that Trump needs these hostages and Congress does not.
The lack of government is anarchy.
There are places that have that...like Somalia. I suggest you move there
Wanna get Dems to pony-up the $5.6 billion in a heartbeat?
Tell 'em that The Creature will take it outta USDA SNAP (Food Stamps) unless they cough-up.
Will they loan Don money? Nope, he's had to go dark on that for decades. And of course, stock buybacks work just great for the Wall Street'donor'"job creator" class. News to you?Dem's negotiate by demanding you give them what they want now, and they never hold up their end of the deal later. This is why Trump has to hold their feet to the fire, Dem's are lying backstabbers who never hold up their end.
Ask US bankers how good Don's word is, they won't touch his serially bankrupted ass, been decades now. Oh, and his bet with Warren? Find ya some real somewhere, this is bogus.
Funny...my bank stocks went from 6 bucks a share to 24 bucks a share in the space of a few months when Trump was elected.
Politics & PolicyWhile Pelosi is pretty brilliant at leading the House, neither she nor Schumer are very good at public communication. But the problem with their response to Trump Tuesday night wasn’t so much what they said. It was the same problem that plagued them in their meeting the following day: They were talking to the wrong person.
To borrow a construct from the classical orator Marco Rubio, let’s dispense with the notion that President Donald Trump knows exactly what he’s doing. Because he really, really doesn’t.
Trump is not in control of Washington. He’s not even in control of his own administration, where officials simply ignore his diktats until his feeble attention shrivels. Trump is not in charge even of the West Wing of his White House, where his own aides regularly leak embarrassing details of his ignorance and buffoonery and his recently departed chief of staff definedhis personal achievements in terms of repeatedly foiling the boss’s half-baked (and not quite half-legal) schemes. And, of course, the reason Trump still doesn’t have a wall is that his fellow Republicans refused for two years to fund one.
With Democrats in charge of the House, Pelosi should stop wasting time and energy on the reality-television president and deal instead with the closest we’ve got to the real thing: Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
Imprisoning illegals from sh*thole countries they're fleeing from probably isn't much of a detriment , in fact 3 squares a day , a rack & medical care might look like disneyland to them Ray
because the Dems do have a history of supporting as well as funding the 'wall' , we've walled off the majority of our southern border , so they see it as ineffective.
Further, do you really think cartels w/millions of $$$ are at all detered by any wall?
They're laughing as loud as our own DEA...
How's about enforcing the laws we do have?
Think about it, if ICE had 6 bil tomorrow , we'd be seeing caravans headed south
But we're reading little to none of this potential negotiation , A)because the DEms loose their voter base B) Trump isn't smart enough to realize it
Negotiator my azz.....
America's sacrifice zones will be kept in check by our militarized corporate state police and our world renowned incarceration/surveillance/internment camp apparatus. Not to worry. What is Appalachia if not another american sacrifice zone? You think this system won't eat whites? A wall around the people and a couple of generations of public water supply contaminated kids should wrap up the next population the power structure seeks to subjugate out of the way of progress. All these workers and jobs simply aren't necessary for profit margin growth to infinity in the technological age."Need government"?The only people that need government are you liberals. You call these liberals hostages, I call them traitors. We seem to be at an empasse.That's not negotiating. That's caving to worthless leftist traitors.You say, "yes" and open the govt.
No. That's not inflicting pain on people who have nothing to do with it.
Holding hostages is not negotiating.
It's obvious that Trump needs these hostages and Congress does not.
The lack of government is anarchy.
There are places that have that...like Somalia. I suggest you move there
Are you implying the ghettos are going to erupt when their EBT cards are no longer valid?
America's sacrifice zones will be kept in check by our militarized corporate state police and our world renowned incarceration/surveillance/internment camp apparatus. Not to worry. What is Appalachia if not another american sacrifice zone. A wall around the people and a couple of generations of public water supply contaminated kids should wrap up the next population the power structure seeks to subjugate out of the way of progress. ll these workers and jobs simply aren't necessary for profit margin growth top infinity in the technological age."Need government"?The only people that need government are you liberals. You call these liberals hostages, I call them traitors. We seem to be at an empasse.That's not negotiating. That's caving to worthless leftist traitors.
No. That's not inflicting pain on people who have nothing to do with it.
Holding hostages is not negotiating.
It's obvious that Trump needs these hostages and Congress does not.
The lack of government is anarchy.
There are places that have that...like Somalia. I suggest you move there
Are you implying the ghettos are going to erupt when their EBT cards are no longer valid?
Well McConnell withdrew any participation in the "negotiation." Trump said he wouldn't open the gummit without at least 5.7 bil for the wall. Pelosi said not a penny for the wall.While Pelosi is pretty brilliant at leading the House, neither she nor Schumer are very good at public communication. But the problem with their response to Trump Tuesday night wasn’t so much what they said. It was the same problem that plagued them in their meeting the following day: They were talking to the wrong person.
To borrow a construct from the classical orator Marco Rubio, let’s dispense with the notion that President Donald Trump knows exactly what he’s doing. Because he really, really doesn’t.
Trump is not in control of Washington. He’s not even in control of his own administration, where officials simply ignore his diktats until his feeble attention shrivels. Trump is not in charge even of the West Wing of his White House, where his own aides regularly leak embarrassing details of his ignorance and buffoonery and his recently departed chief of staff definedhis personal achievements in terms of repeatedly foiling the boss’s half-baked (and not quite half-legal) schemes. And, of course, the reason Trump still doesn’t have a wall is that his fellow Republicans refused for two years to fund one.
With Democrats in charge of the House, Pelosi should stop wasting time and energy on the reality-television president and deal instead with the closest we’ve got to the real thing: Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
Actually we do have walls and fences. They work wonders everyplace we have them. And we do have border security. They nabbed over 300,000 people trying to cross into the US during 2017.
The problem however is we don't have walls and fences everywhere needed so these people can still sneak in.
The 300,000 figure is for all points of entry, not just the southern border.
We've always had fences and walls, and undocumented immigrants have always found ways around them. If Oceans and Mountains can be overcome, anything built by man can be overcome.
Do you know why attempts to cross the Southern Border are down?
1) Increased workplace enforcement.
2) Increased economic opportunities in Mexico
3) Increased efficiency by the BP in doing their jobs without wasteful walls.
The thing is, the GOP gets dumb white people like you to vote against your own economic interests, which is why you are happy driving around in a dead end job with no health insurance, as long as you got m ore than the Darkies.
America's sacrifice zones will be kept in check by our militarized corporate state police and our world renowned incarceration/surveillance/internment camp apparatus. Not to worry. What is Appalachia if not another american sacrifice zone. A wall around the people and a couple of generations of public water supply contaminated kids should wrap up the next population the power structure seeks to subjugate out of the way of progress. ll these workers and jobs simply aren't necessary for profit margin growth top infinity in the technological age."Need government"?The only people that need government are you liberals. You call these liberals hostages, I call them traitors. We seem to be at an empasse.No. That's not inflicting pain on people who have nothing to do with it.
Holding hostages is not negotiating.
It's obvious that Trump needs these hostages and Congress does not.
The lack of government is anarchy.
There are places that have that...like Somalia. I suggest you move there
Are you implying the ghettos are going to erupt when their EBT cards are no longer valid?
All I can say to that? .....Fucken move!
Wow, such bizarre thoughts you have.I'm sure Trump has a stockpile of dem policies that he will be able to beat them over the head with in 2020.
A list something like this:
1. Open borders
2. Sanctuary cities
3. Free college
4. Single Payer Healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE
6. Promote Globalism
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property
10. Let NK develop nukes and delivery systems
11. Tax corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Max food stamps instead of good paying jobs
13. Opioid problem running rampant across the US
14. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
15. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
16. No new pipelines
17. No offshore drilling
18. No privacy as tech giants like google and facebook work with dems to promote liberalism
19. Colleges deny any speakers except liberals and indoctrinate kids to be lifelong liberals or flunk out
20. The dems "Central Committee" appoint super-delegates to vote and subvert regular voters in primaries
21. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
22. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
23. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
24. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump and published the phony Steele Dossier
25. Sell US secrets like Wen Ho Lee sold nuke secrets to China, and Hillary sold uranium to the Russians via the UraniumOne scam
26. Have the Black Panthers or antifa guard urban polling stations with clubs to keep conservative voters away, guarantee those 300,000 to 0 results
27. Do not allow conservative blacks on TV, keep those urban plantations 100% democrat.
28. Allow the aclu, and BLM to protect criminals and put blue lives in danger. Stop and frisk saved lives, democrat Chicago is a war zone
29. Hire bimbos to swear that they were sexually assaulted by the GOP candidates.
30. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
31. Colleges only hire liberal professors, and promote only the Leftist perspective, conservatism is not allowed on campus.
32. Democrats refuse to provide any funding for the wall, which DHS says is desperately needed.
33. Democrats want to give $billions to Mexico and Central America, but won't help USA citizens living in tent cities, or fund the wall to protect jobs & wages
34. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
35. Spend billions for a "Marshal Plan" for Central America to stop the flow of migrants to the US
Trump is laughing his head off watching you Leftists scream for open borders and defunding ICE just as the 2020 campaign kicks off.While Pelosi is pretty brilliant at leading the House, neither she nor Schumer are very good at public communication. But the problem with their response to Trump Tuesday night wasn’t so much what they said. It was the same problem that plagued them in their meeting the following day: They were talking to the wrong person.
To borrow a construct from the classical orator Marco Rubio, let’s dispense with the notion that President Donald Trump knows exactly what he’s doing. Because he really, really doesn’t.
Trump is not in control of Washington. He’s not even in control of his own administration, where officials simply ignore his diktats until his feeble attention shrivels. Trump is not in charge even of the West Wing of his White House, where his own aides regularly leak embarrassing details of his ignorance and buffoonery and his recently departed chief of staff definedhis personal achievements in terms of repeatedly foiling the boss’s half-baked (and not quite half-legal) schemes. And, of course, the reason Trump still doesn’t have a wall is that his fellow Republicans refused for two years to fund one.
With Democrats in charge of the House, Pelosi should stop wasting time and energy on the reality-television president and deal instead with the closest we’ve got to the real thing: Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
While Pelosi is pretty brilliant at leading the House, neither she nor Schumer are very good at public communication.
America's sacrifice zones will be kept in check by our militarized corporate state police and our world renowned incarceration/surveillance/internment camp apparatus. Not to worry. What is Appalachia if not another american sacrifice zone. A wall around the people and a couple of generations of public water supply contaminated kids should wrap up the next population the power structure seeks to subjugate out of the way of progress. ll these workers and jobs simply aren't necessary for profit margin growth top infinity in the technological age."Need government"?The only people that need government are you liberals. You call these liberals hostages, I call them traitors. We seem to be at an empasse.
The lack of government is anarchy.
There are places that have that...like Somalia. I suggest you move there
Are you implying the ghettos are going to erupt when their EBT cards are no longer valid?
All I can say to that? .....Fucken move!
So you have no rebuttal. Down to the "love-it-r-leave-it" escape hatch. Exceptionally american.
