You don't know the difference in between "resolution" and "rule".
Chair is not above the house rules, moron.
Official Impeachment Thread 2.0: House Judiciary Committee Hearings
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You don't know the difference in between "resolution" and "rule".
Chair is not above the house rules, moron.
Persistence Of Memory
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Man Trump has his "A" Game tonight...lol
Persistence Of Memory
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Trump said a normal president would be under a table sucking his thumb asking mommy to take him home after all this S........................OMFGLOLOL
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SCHIFF SHOW FAIL: Dem Rep. Collin Peterson Leaning Against Voting for Articles of Impeachment: ‘Too Divisive.’
If that link doesn't work, try this one:
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-vote-against-impeachment-as-its-too-divisive
If that link doesn't work, try this one:
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-vote-against-impeachment-as-its-too-divisive
"I’m certainly leaning that way....I just think it will be too divisive for the country - it doesn’t accomplish anything,"
Going to be tough to get almost half of the GOP Senators to vote to remove if you can't even get all the Democrats in the House to support this nonsense.
BAD RATINGS FOR THE SCHIFF SHOW: Quinnipiac: Opposition to impeachment and removal reaches 51%, highest number since September.
Just a brutal number for Democrats, not only on the merits but because it’s coming from Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac typically has bad numbers for Trump, particularly on his job approval. That’s pretty bad in this poll too, in fact, clocking in at 40/57. He trails every top-tier Democrat head to head as well.
So to find public opinion on impeachment trending in his direction in a Q-poll is a big deal. If it’s this bad in a national poll of registered voters, imagine what a poll of likely voters in battleground states looks like nowadays. Hoo boy.
Support for impeachment and removal has been trending south in Quinnipiac polls for weeks. In late September, before the Ukraine story broke big, the public split 37/57 on removing him. Then people started warming up. Within five days, it was up to 47/47. A month later it had inched higher to 48/46. But then the trend reversed, with support sliding to 45/48 by late November. Today’s number represents the first time since September that a majority has opposed removal.
At no point in any Q-poll has a majority favored it.
I wonder how much of the public’s trend towards opposition is due to growing skepticism about the Democrats’ case and how much is due to other factors influencing public opinion in Trump’s favor, which in turn ends up undercutting support for removal. Right, granted, his job approval is weak here, but check this out. This is a *big* number:
Quinnipiac asked that same question twice before this year and the highest number they saw was 52 percent. The blowout jobs report last week obviously made an impression; check out the split among independents, who are now better than two-to-one in saying that they’re better off financially than they were before. Not surprisingly, the jobs numbers have also pushed Trump’s rating on handling the economy to the highest level it’s been in more than a year — 54/42, the first time he’s been at 50 percent or better in all of 2019.
I don’t know how to square that with his overall job approval except to say that perceptions of Trump the man doubtless heavily color the latter whereas a specific question about his handling of the economy ends up with character assessments being compartmentalized. How will that work out in the booth next November? “He’s really, really obnoxious, even corrupt — and I’ve never made so much money!”
Also not coincidentally, Trump has gained ground head to head against Biden, Warren, and Buttigieg since Quinnipiac’s poll last month. He still trails all three, but if you’re looking for a way to measure whether impeachment is hurting him or not, the fact that he’s gotten more competitive with top Democrats as it’s played out would seem to provide an answer.
Where does all of this fit in the big picture? Well, here’s the RCP average of Trump’s daily job approval over the past six months. The Ukraine story exploded in late September. Trump’s approval did take a hit afterward, but note the trend lately:
His approval today stands at 44.6 percent. The last time he touched that number was September 27. He’s fully recovered from the hit.
Dems clearly are engaged in a kamikaze run.
It will be interesting is Nancy merely whips the vote to 218 and lets the rest of the Dems save themselves, or if she forces more than she needs to fall on their swords. This is clearly a losing effort, and while Nancy has a bullet proof seat, she has 50 or so that in actually competitive districts. In fact, she can't get to 218 without out going into her red districts.
Just a brutal number for Democrats, not only on the merits but because it’s coming from Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac typically has bad numbers for Trump, particularly on his job approval. That’s pretty bad in this poll too, in fact, clocking in at 40/57. He trails every top-tier Democrat head to head as well.
So to find public opinion on impeachment trending in his direction in a Q-poll is a big deal. If it’s this bad in a national poll of registered voters, imagine what a poll of likely voters in battleground states looks like nowadays. Hoo boy.
Support for impeachment and removal has been trending south in Quinnipiac polls for weeks. In late September, before the Ukraine story broke big, the public split 37/57 on removing him. Then people started warming up. Within five days, it was up to 47/47. A month later it had inched higher to 48/46. But then the trend reversed, with support sliding to 45/48 by late November. Today’s number represents the first time since September that a majority has opposed removal.
At no point in any Q-poll has a majority favored it.
I wonder how much of the public’s trend towards opposition is due to growing skepticism about the Democrats’ case and how much is due to other factors influencing public opinion in Trump’s favor, which in turn ends up undercutting support for removal. Right, granted, his job approval is weak here, but check this out. This is a *big* number:
Quinnipiac asked that same question twice before this year and the highest number they saw was 52 percent. The blowout jobs report last week obviously made an impression; check out the split among independents, who are now better than two-to-one in saying that they’re better off financially than they were before. Not surprisingly, the jobs numbers have also pushed Trump’s rating on handling the economy to the highest level it’s been in more than a year — 54/42, the first time he’s been at 50 percent or better in all of 2019.
I don’t know how to square that with his overall job approval except to say that perceptions of Trump the man doubtless heavily color the latter whereas a specific question about his handling of the economy ends up with character assessments being compartmentalized. How will that work out in the booth next November? “He’s really, really obnoxious, even corrupt — and I’ve never made so much money!”
Also not coincidentally, Trump has gained ground head to head against Biden, Warren, and Buttigieg since Quinnipiac’s poll last month. He still trails all three, but if you’re looking for a way to measure whether impeachment is hurting him or not, the fact that he’s gotten more competitive with top Democrats as it’s played out would seem to provide an answer.
Where does all of this fit in the big picture? Well, here’s the RCP average of Trump’s daily job approval over the past six months. The Ukraine story exploded in late September. Trump’s approval did take a hit afterward, but note the trend lately:
His approval today stands at 44.6 percent. The last time he touched that number was September 27. He’s fully recovered from the hit.
Dems clearly are engaged in a kamikaze run.
It will be interesting is Nancy merely whips the vote to 218 and lets the rest of the Dems save themselves, or if she forces more than she needs to fall on their swords. This is clearly a losing effort, and while Nancy has a bullet proof seat, she has 50 or so that in actually competitive districts. In fact, she can't get to 218 without out going into her red districts.
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The people always decide, however The Constitution gives equal power to the three branches of government - a wise decision on the part of The Founders. IF the PEOPLE decide to change The Constitution then that option is available through amendment. But only with approval of Congress and 2/3 of The States.
FA_Q2
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The findings with the FISA 'thing' was anything but kosher. The fact that the process was so corrupt in a case that has the absolute highest scrutiny should tell all Americans exactly how corrupt the process itself is. I am confident that this particular case is an example of their best work - work that includes doctoring documents.
This is horrible for the impeachment process even if it has no absolutely no material effect on the investigation. It is going to be a LOT easier for Trump and his supporters to make claims of deep state and the like with things like this besmirching the investigation.
FA_Q2
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First, 'witnesses selected by the minority to testify on the subject of the hearing' does not mean that the chair can just arbitrarily decide that those witnesses have nothing to add and therefore cannot be called. Asserting such is asinine. Second, the chair has refused to allow witnesses to be called by the minority and that is well known. The republicans have been quite vocal about the fact that an extremely small number of the witnesses they want to call are being blocked by the chair.
I don't really care how much of the minorities witness list is garbage or political games - hell ALL the witnesses so far have been nothing but political games - but not adhering to the rules is an asinine move by the left here. They are just handing more and more ammo to the right to call the process corrupt. If they actually want to succeed here they really need to stop handing the right useful headlines.
FA_Q2
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Sure, they can set those dates in that manner. Of course that will play into the rights whining as well.
The fact is, unless I missed something, that they have given no date at all and everything points to Shiff denying the minority hearing outright.
Yes but impeachment was never designed to be a partisan tool. In this case only one party is pushing for it. Let the people decide.
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You are wrong on that - Graham, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee is investigating Biden:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) requested records from the State Department on Thursday related to then-Vice President Joe Biden’s efforts to oust a Ukrainian prosecutor in 2016.
The letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo comes as Republicans seek to train scrutiny on Biden’s actions in Ukraine amid impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump over his own efforts to pressure Ukraine’s government to investigate his would-be rival for the White House.
The letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo comes as Republicans seek to train scrutiny on Biden’s actions in Ukraine amid impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump over his own efforts to pressure Ukraine’s government to investigate his would-be rival for the White House.
You are perfectly right in declaring it all, including Graham's "investigation", "a nothing burger hoax invented in Trump's head to slander Biden."
/——/ Rush: “Nancy Pelosi said, “This isn’t even about Ukraine. It’s about Russia.” I said, “Wait a minute. What happened to this whole thing being about Trump asking Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden?” She said last week, “It’s not about Ukraine; it’s about Russia, and it’s about weakening Ukraine for Putin.” It’s mind-boggling!”
Cellblock: “ And what about bribery, what about collusion, and what about quid pro quo? What happened to Adam Shytface’s rock solid evidence? And now the democRATs are think of backpedaling impeachment and going with censor.”
Hutch Starskey
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I just gave it to you, dope. You just don't possess the critical abilities necessary for understanding.
Oddball
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You didn't give me shit, fuckwit....You gave me media talking points....None of of which themselves are is a single shred of evidence against Trump.
Hutch Starskey
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Those are the rules for the impeachment inquiry, dope.
Hutch Starskey
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Like I said. You're incompetent.
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