Obesity is NOT beautiful! :(

[Coyote]

Abhoring physical activity isn't "lazyness". People can be physically active and mentally lazy, contributing nothing.

Obesity is a complex disease influenced by multiple factors:

• Genetic
• Physiologic
• Environmental
• Behavioral

Of course, the case for some people is that it is difficult to change old habits. Genetic? From everything I know, I would say more than genetic (unless you have a disease of course) it is poor habits passed on and environmental rather than genetics. You don't have to have a perfectly shaped body and be bigger in the legs or bust or whatnot and still NOT be obese.

Genetics most certainly has a role in it. That's why it's a complex disease - there are many factors at play.

Okay, so now you are claiming that people are not lazy and that is not a contributing factor to a sedentary lifestyle. Is that what you're trying to sell? I'm not buying it. Of course there are MANY lazy people in the world.

Nope. Not claiming that. Try to read.

I never claimed other factors did not play a role. What I am saying is that obesity is most certainly due to laziness in a lot of cases. To deny that, is to deny reality and to be pretty much claiming that people are "ideal" and always do what is right or best.

What you said is non-lazy fat people are "outliers" - that's implies that lazyness plays a major role. You have posted nothing to support that.

 

[Coyote]

I think we all know some people who are lazy and fat and have poor eating habits and have no one to blame but themselves for their "condition." They don't want to work at getting into shape. They enjoy sitting on their couch and eating junk food. THAT is reality.

For SOME people...sure.

 

[jillian]

And one more thing, I haven't done anything to any of you weirdos that you don't do on a frequent and REGULAR basis around here. If my posts bother you, I suggest you put me on ignore. Stalking me just makes YOU look strange and like you have problems and solves nothing. You aren't going to "run me out of town" Lol. Get a grip on yourselves. If you hate me because I have self esteem, think I'm smart and attractive, then I'm very sorry about that. Really, I am. Very, very sorry.

again with telling other people not to post?

perhaps you should think about how what you post looks to others.

now, stop whining if you can't handle the responses you get and you might want to re-evaluate who the weirdo is on this thread.

That "person" has done nothing but call me filthy names and make filthy suggestions about my personal life.

You are the one making this thread about you. And you are calling him filthy names too. If you want it to stop, you need to stop.

No. I asked very nicely several times for people to focus on the topic of discussion, and they refused. I can go get those posts. Did you read them? I'm sorry if you want me to lie down and take those kinds of personal attacks, but it's not going to happen that way. Do you usually blame the victim?

they are focusing on the topic of conversation. you just don't like where it went.

that happens when you start a public thread.

 

[ChrisL]

And one more thing, I haven't done anything to any of you weirdos that you don't do on a frequent and REGULAR basis around here. If my posts bother you, I suggest you put me on ignore. Stalking me just makes YOU look strange and like you have problems and solves nothing. You aren't going to "run me out of town" Lol. Get a grip on yourselves. If you hate me because I have self esteem, think I'm smart and attractive, then I'm very sorry about that. Really, I am. Very, very sorry.

again with telling other people not to post?

perhaps you should think about how what you post looks to others.

now, stop whining if you can't handle the responses you get and you might want to re-evaluate who the weirdo is on this thread.

That "person" has done nothing but call me filthy names and make filthy suggestions about my personal life.

You are the one making this thread about you. And you are calling him filthy names too. If you want it to stop, you need to stop.

No. I asked very nicely several times for people to focus on the topic of discussion, and they refused. I can go get those posts. Did you read them? I'm sorry if you want me to lie down and take those kinds of personal attacks, but it's not going to happen that way. Do you usually blame the victim?

they are focusing on the topic of conversation. you just don't like where it went.

that happens when you start a public thread.

No, I'm sorry, but I was never the topic of this conversation.

 

[Moonglow]

again with telling other people not to post?

perhaps you should think about how what you post looks to others.

now, stop whining if you can't handle the responses you get and you might want to re-evaluate who the weirdo is on this thread.

That "person" has done nothing but call me filthy names and make filthy suggestions about my personal life.

You are the one making this thread about you. And you are calling him filthy names too. If you want it to stop, you need to stop.

No. I asked very nicely several times for people to focus on the topic of discussion, and they refused. I can go get those posts. Did you read them? I'm sorry if you want me to lie down and take those kinds of personal attacks, but it's not going to happen that way. Do you usually blame the victim?

they are focusing on the topic of conversation. you just don't like where it went.

that happens when you start a public thread.

No, I'm sorry, but I was never the topic of this conversation.

 

[ChrisL]

And one more thing, I haven't done anything to any of you weirdos that you don't do on a frequent and REGULAR basis around here. If my posts bother you, I suggest you put me on ignore. Stalking me just makes YOU look strange and like you have problems and solves nothing. You aren't going to "run me out of town" Lol. Get a grip on yourselves. If you hate me because I have self esteem, think I'm smart and attractive, then I'm very sorry about that. Really, I am. Very, very sorry.

again with telling other people not to post?

perhaps you should think about how what you post looks to others.

now, stop whining if you can't handle the responses you get and you might want to re-evaluate who the weirdo is on this thread.

That "person" has done nothing but call me filthy names and make filthy suggestions about my personal life.

You are the one making this thread about you. And you are calling him filthy names too. If you want it to stop, you need to stop.

No. I asked very nicely several times for people to focus on the topic of discussion, and they refused. I can go get those posts. Did you read them? I'm sorry if you want me to lie down and take those kinds of personal attacks, but it's not going to happen that way. Do you usually blame the victim?

they are focusing on the topic of conversation. you just don't like where it went.

that happens when you start a public thread.

I started a thread about a real problem that we, as a society, face together. Children are getting diseases that were only seen in the past to occur in overweight adults. One in three children is obese/overweight and many of them have obesity-related health issues such as diabetes and even heart disease!

Now if you want to focus your attention on my personal life because of this thread, then I would say that the problem is with you and not with me. I haven't done anything to hurt anyone else and, no, I don't deserve to have my personal life attacked in such a manner.

 

[ChrisL]

I think we all know some people who are lazy and fat and have poor eating habits and have no one to blame but themselves for their "condition." They don't want to work at getting into shape. They enjoy sitting on their couch and eating junk food. THAT is reality.

For SOME people...sure.

For MANY people. Most people who are obese are not suffering from any disabilities that would otherwise prevent them moving about aside from their obesity.

 

[ChrisL]

Of course, the case for some people is that it is difficult to change old habits. Genetic? From everything I know, I would say more than genetic (unless you have a disease of course) it is poor habits passed on and environmental rather than genetics. You don't have to have a perfectly shaped body and be bigger in the legs or bust or whatnot and still NOT be obese.

Genetics most certainly has a role in it. That's why it's a complex disease - there are many factors at play.

Okay, so now you are claiming that people are not lazy and that is not a contributing factor to a sedentary lifestyle. Is that what you're trying to sell? I'm not buying it. Of course there are MANY lazy people in the world.

Nope. Not claiming that. Try to read.

I never claimed other factors did not play a role. What I am saying is that obesity is most certainly due to laziness in a lot of cases. To deny that, is to deny reality and to be pretty much claiming that people are "ideal" and always do what is right or best.

What you said is non-lazy fat people are "outliers" - that's implies that lazyness plays a major role. You have posted nothing to support that.

Normally, unless you have a chemical imbalance, when you exercise and are active, you LOSE weight. That is just common sense. Calories in/calories out.

 

[jillian]

again with telling other people not to post?

perhaps you should think about how what you post looks to others.

now, stop whining if you can't handle the responses you get and you might want to re-evaluate who the weirdo is on this thread.

That "person" has done nothing but call me filthy names and make filthy suggestions about my personal life.

You are the one making this thread about you. And you are calling him filthy names too. If you want it to stop, you need to stop.

No. I asked very nicely several times for people to focus on the topic of discussion, and they refused. I can go get those posts. Did you read them? I'm sorry if you want me to lie down and take those kinds of personal attacks, but it's not going to happen that way. Do you usually blame the victim?

they are focusing on the topic of conversation. you just don't like where it went.

that happens when you start a public thread.

No, I'm sorry, but I was never the topic of this conversation.

actually it was at least part of it and it's where the thread went.

and you can't even manage not to respond.

maybe you should

 

[ChrisL]

The reason why obesity is such an epidemic now like never seen in the past is because of people's POOR choices and not because they are incapable of losing weight. PERIOD.

 

[ChrisL]

That "person" has done nothing but call me filthy names and make filthy suggestions about my personal life.

You are the one making this thread about you. And you are calling him filthy names too. If you want it to stop, you need to stop.

No. I asked very nicely several times for people to focus on the topic of discussion, and they refused. I can go get those posts. Did you read them? I'm sorry if you want me to lie down and take those kinds of personal attacks, but it's not going to happen that way. Do you usually blame the victim?

they are focusing on the topic of conversation. you just don't like where it went.

that happens when you start a public thread.

No, I'm sorry, but I was never the topic of this conversation.

actually it was at least part of it and it's where the thread went.

and you can't even manage not to respond.

maybe you should

No, the thread title, nor the discussion have anything to do with my personal life. Wrong again. If you want to tackle the topic of the thread, I more than welcome that. However, attacking my personal life is not acceptable to me.

 

[ChrisL]

That "person" has done nothing but call me filthy names and make filthy suggestions about my personal life.

You are the one making this thread about you. And you are calling him filthy names too. If you want it to stop, you need to stop.

No. I asked very nicely several times for people to focus on the topic of discussion, and they refused. I can go get those posts. Did you read them? I'm sorry if you want me to lie down and take those kinds of personal attacks, but it's not going to happen that way. Do you usually blame the victim?

they are focusing on the topic of conversation. you just don't like where it went.

that happens when you start a public thread.

No, I'm sorry, but I was never the topic of this conversation.

What does that even mean? I'm a "faggot?"

 

[ChrisL]

Okay, so I'm a "faggot." I guess I can live with that. Lol. Whatever.

 

[Coyote]

Genetics most certainly has a role in it. That's why it's a complex disease - there are many factors at play.

Okay, so now you are claiming that people are not lazy and that is not a contributing factor to a sedentary lifestyle. Is that what you're trying to sell? I'm not buying it. Of course there are MANY lazy people in the world.

Nope. Not claiming that. Try to read.

I never claimed other factors did not play a role. What I am saying is that obesity is most certainly due to laziness in a lot of cases. To deny that, is to deny reality and to be pretty much claiming that people are "ideal" and always do what is right or best.

What you said is non-lazy fat people are "outliers" - that's implies that lazyness plays a major role. You have posted nothing to support that.

Normally, unless you have a chemical imbalance, when you exercise and are active, you LOSE weight. That is just common sense. Calories in/calories out.

Read the research - it really isn't so simple.

 

[Coyote]

I think we all know some people who are lazy and fat and have poor eating habits and have no one to blame but themselves for their "condition." They don't want to work at getting into shape. They enjoy sitting on their couch and eating junk food. THAT is reality.

For SOME people...sure.

For MANY people. Most people who are obese are not suffering from any disabilities that would otherwise prevent them moving about aside from their obesity.

You have yet to provide any data to show that most people who are obese are lazy.

 

[TrinityPower]

How superficial can a person be to fat shame another? I am not attracted to "fat" women but "bone yards" can get lost as well. As long as the person is happy with themselves they will attract healthy well adjusted mates. The rest can sit home alone banging on their keyboards spewing their hate while thinking to themselves how beautiful they are.

A shame

Do you have something to add to the topic? I don't care about your personal preferences in women. That is not the issue here. The issue here is that obesity costs Americans billions of dollars in health-related costs and it is not attractive.

ChrisL.:" The issue here is that obesity ... is not attractive."

I responded to the OP, you are looking to flame your own thread. I am not interested in your bastardized version of reality.

My "version" of reality? What is that? Obesity and being overweight are problems in America right now and cost us billions of dollars, and obese people are generally not attractive. Now, what is it that you disagree with so vehemently?

Your version of reality is claiming I did not respond to the topic.

She does the same thing to everyone. Creates a thread or post that is off topic then attacks others for the thing that she painted herself in a corner doing never really getting back on topic and spending pages upon pages trying to barb others without success. Since yesterday there have been 60+ pages on this and the few I have scrolled through have been this type of banter.

As for being a healthy weight, some of it is in the interpretation of the individual. Most people (doctors included) think I am nutso out of my mind because I am now within the normal range for my height/weight and BMI. To me personally I am a balloon. Other people I may consider overweight feel they are just fine. It all becomes a conscience effort of eating and exercise. Some are blessed to not have to watch what they eat and exercise (I am one of them) but most people can't do that. As one ages keeping good habits is key to maintaining health. It gets to be an uphill battle once things get out of hand. There is a woman who has a show called my Fat Fabulous Life. She has a great attitude and she does have a condition but she fools herself into trying to convince people she is in good shape because her passion is dance. Great! Wonderful passion but when she goes on a 5k run/walk and can hardly get through it then it tells me and should tell her that she isn't in good shape just because she does dance. She has health problems already before age 30, as far as I recall because I do not watch the show regularly she had not had a job and lived with her folks. She wasn't hired for a job because of her weight. She talked someone into giving her a job that was physical and couldn't hack it on day one. Feeling great about your body is a positive thing but when it interferes with functioning one must reevaluate the issue and consider the health implications as well as the quality of life ones.

Now everyone watch as Chris comes at me again about my avi...it is a broken record, Bonzi and IronHead as my witness

 

[TrinityPower]

How superficial can a person be to fat shame another? I am not attracted to "fat" women but "bone yards" can get lost as well. As long as the person is happy with themselves they will attract healthy well adjusted mates. The rest can sit home alone banging on their keyboards spewing their hate while thinking to themselves how beautiful they are.

A shame

Do you have something to add to the topic? I don't care about your personal preferences in women. That is not the issue here. The issue here is that obesity costs Americans billions of dollars in health-related costs and it is not attractive.

ChrisL.:" The issue here is that obesity ... is not attractive."

I responded to the OP, you are looking to flame your own thread. I am not interested in your bastardized version of reality.

My "version" of reality? What is that? Obesity and being overweight are problems in America right now and cost us billions of dollars, and obese people are generally not attractive. Now, what is it that you disagree with so vehemently?

Your version of "reality" is the attractive or lack there of part. That's not reality, that's pure opinion.

that's the truth.

if she wanted to raise the health issue, perhaps there was a way to do that. but it seems people get offended when health is encouraged. they melt down when schools are made to provide healthier lunches. they got upset when they thought they couldn't get 30 ounces of sugar water at their local 7 Eleven, etc.

so the rant is a rant about people's looks. in that regard her reaction is pretty off the charts. i can't imagine being that fired up over something like that to create that kind of o/p.

I bet you she will tell you to take a hike here is the door...she is predictable especially to women who do not fall at her feet and give her a compliment. This thread isn't about an issue, it is about self absorbtion

 

[ChrisL]

How superficial can a person be to fat shame another? I am not attracted to "fat" women but "bone yards" can get lost as well. As long as the person is happy with themselves they will attract healthy well adjusted mates. The rest can sit home alone banging on their keyboards spewing their hate while thinking to themselves how beautiful they are.

A shame

Do you have something to add to the topic? I don't care about your personal preferences in women. That is not the issue here. The issue here is that obesity costs Americans billions of dollars in health-related costs and it is not attractive.

ChrisL.:" The issue here is that obesity ... is not attractive."

I responded to the OP, you are looking to flame your own thread. I am not interested in your bastardized version of reality.

My "version" of reality? What is that? Obesity and being overweight are problems in America right now and cost us billions of dollars, and obese people are generally not attractive. Now, what is it that you disagree with so vehemently?

Your version of reality is claiming I did not respond to the topic.

She does the same thing to everyone. Creates a thread or post that is off topic then attacks others for the thing that she painted herself in a corner doing never really getting back on topic and spending pages upon pages trying to barb others without success. Since yesterday there have been 60+ pages on this and the few I have scrolled through have been this type of banter.

As for being a healthy weight, some of it is in the interpretation of the individual. Most people (doctors included) think I am nutso out of my mind because I am now within the normal range for my height/weight and BMI. To me personally I am a balloon. Other people I may consider overweight feel they are just fine. It all becomes a conscience effort of eating and exercise. Some are blessed to not have to watch what they eat and exercise (I am one of them) but most people can't do that. As one ages keeping good habits is key to maintaining health. It gets to be an uphill battle once things get out of hand. There is a woman who has a show called my Fat Fabulous Life. She has a great attitude and she does have a condition but she fools herself into trying to convince people she is in good shape because her passion is dance. Great! Wonderful passion but when she goes on a 5k run/walk and can hardly get through it then it tells me and should tell her that she isn't in good shape just because she does dance. She has health problems already before age 30, as far as I recall because I do not watch the show regularly she had not had a job and lived with her folks. She wasn't hired for a job because of her weight. She talked someone into giving her a job that was physical and couldn't hack it on day one. Feeling great about your body is a positive thing but when it interferes with functioning one must reevaluate the issue and consider the health implications as well as the quality of life ones.

Now everyone watch as Chris comes at me again about my avi...it is a broken record, Bonzi and IronHead as my witness

This is fine. You pretty much stuck to the topic. I don't have anything to disagree with what you wrote. You see? We CAN have a reasonable discussion and leave the personal attacks out of it.

I don't know what you mean about my threads being "off topic" though. So, let's leave personal comments out of it and focus on the topic of the thread, thank you.

 

[ChrisL]

Do you have something to add to the topic? I don't care about your personal preferences in women. That is not the issue here. The issue here is that obesity costs Americans billions of dollars in health-related costs and it is not attractive.

ChrisL.:" The issue here is that obesity ... is not attractive."

I responded to the OP, you are looking to flame your own thread. I am not interested in your bastardized version of reality.

My "version" of reality? What is that? Obesity and being overweight are problems in America right now and cost us billions of dollars, and obese people are generally not attractive. Now, what is it that you disagree with so vehemently?

Your version of "reality" is the attractive or lack there of part. That's not reality, that's pure opinion.

that's the truth.

if she wanted to raise the health issue, perhaps there was a way to do that. but it seems people get offended when health is encouraged. they melt down when schools are made to provide healthier lunches. they got upset when they thought they couldn't get 30 ounces of sugar water at their local 7 Eleven, etc.

so the rant is a rant about people's looks. in that regard her reaction is pretty off the charts. i can't imagine being that fired up over something like that to create that kind of o/p.

I bet you she will tell you to take a hike here is the door...she is predictable especially to women who do not fall at her feet and give her a compliment. This thread isn't about an issue, it is about self absorbtion

I don't care if you don't want to compliment me. I do care if you are going to continue with insults and insinuations. Now, again, I am not the topic of this thread.

 

[ChrisL]

Okay, so now you are claiming that people are not lazy and that is not a contributing factor to a sedentary lifestyle. Is that what you're trying to sell? I'm not buying it. Of course there are MANY lazy people in the world.

Nope. Not claiming that. Try to read.

I never claimed other factors did not play a role. What I am saying is that obesity is most certainly due to laziness in a lot of cases. To deny that, is to deny reality and to be pretty much claiming that people are "ideal" and always do what is right or best.

What you said is non-lazy fat people are "outliers" - that's implies that lazyness plays a major role. You have posted nothing to support that.

Normally, unless you have a chemical imbalance, when you exercise and are active, you LOSE weight. That is just common sense. Calories in/calories out.

Read the research - it really isn't so simple.

It is that simple in very many instances. I type about these kinds of people ALL the time.