Obesity is NOT beautiful! :(

[ChrisL]

Do you have any idea what these people do? Success doesn't mean you have to be active or exercise. Don't where you make that correlation. MOST wealthy people are not overweight. You are mentioning outliers. Not the norm.

Do you?

They don't become successfull by being lazy.

Prove they are outliers.

The statistics speak for themselves. Go look at them.

So you can't provide any evidence that these are "outliers"?

Socioeconomics and Obesity: The State of Obesity

That correlates obesity and poverty - doesn't say anything about laziness or that the successful people are "outliers" since they're only talking about 33%.

It doesn't surprise me that obesity is more common amongst poor people but again, the reason's are very complex - poor people are more likely to live in "food deserts" where access to healthy food is difficult, they are less likely to have access to health facilities and education and if obesity starts in child, it's extremely difficult to not be an obese adult.

WHO | Physical inactivity a leading cause of disease and disability, warns WHO

Physical inactivity a leading cause of disease and disability, warns WHO
4 APRIL 2002 - Physical inactivity can have serious implications for people’s health, said the World Health Organization today on the occasion of World Health Day. Approximately 2 million deaths per year are attributed to physical inactivity, prompting WHO to issue a warning that a sedentary lifestyle could very well be among the 10 leading causes of death and disability in the world. World Health Day is celebrated annually on April 7 and used to inform the public about leading public health issues. By choosing physical activity as the theme for World Health Day, WHO is promoting healthy, active and tobacco-free lifestyles. The aim is to prevent the disease and disability caused by unhealthy and sedentary living.

Sedentary lifestyles increase all causes of mortality, double the risk of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, and obesity, and increase the risks of colon cancer, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, lipid disorders, depression and anxiety. According to WHO, 60 to 85% of people in the world—from both developed and developing countries—lead sedentary lifestyles, making it one of the more serious yet insufficiently addressed public health problems of our time. It is estimated that nearly two-thirds of children are also insufficiently active, with serious implications for their future health.

Physical inactivity, along increasing tobacco use and poor diet and nutrition, are increasingly becoming part of today’s lifestyle leading to the rapid rise of diseases such as cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, or obesity. Chronic diseases caused by these risk factors are now the leading causes of death in every part of world except sub-Saharan Africa, where infectious diseases such as AIDS are still the leading problem. These chronic diseases are, for the most part, entirely preventable. Countries and people could save precious lives and health care resources by investing in preventing these diseases, says WHO.

 

[Coyote]

Do you?

They don't become successfull by being lazy.

Prove they are outliers.

The statistics speak for themselves. Go look at them.

So you can't provide any evidence that these are "outliers"?

Socioeconomics and Obesity: The State of Obesity

That correlates obesity and poverty - doesn't say anything about laziness or that the successful people are "outliers" since they're only talking about 33%.

It doesn't surprise me that obesity is more common amongst poor people but again, the reason's are very complex - poor people are more likely to live in "food deserts" where access to healthy food is difficult, they are less likely to have access to health facilities and education and if obesity starts in child, it's extremely difficult to not be an obese adult.

Physical inactivity a leading cause of disease and disability, warns WHO
4 APRIL 2002 - Physical inactivity can have serious implications for people’s health, said the World Health Organization today on the occasion of World Health Day. Approximately 2 million deaths per year are attributed to physical inactivity, prompting WHO to issue a warning that a sedentary lifestyle could very well be among the 10 leading causes of death and disability in the world. World Health Day is celebrated annually on April 7 and used to inform the public about leading public health issues. By choosing physical activity as the theme for World Health Day, WHO is promoting healthy, active and tobacco-free lifestyles. The aim is to prevent the disease and disability caused by unhealthy and sedentary living.

Sedentary lifestyles increase all causes of mortality, double the risk of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, and obesity, and increase the risks of colon cancer, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, lipid disorders, depression and anxiety. According to WHO, 60 to 85% of people in the world—from both developed and developing countries—lead sedentary lifestyles, making it one of the more serious yet insufficiently addressed public health problems of our time. It is estimated that nearly two-thirds of children are also insufficiently active, with serious implications for their future health.

Physical inactivity, along increasing tobacco use and poor diet and nutrition, are increasingly becoming part of today’s lifestyle leading to the rapid rise of diseases such as cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, or obesity. Chronic diseases caused by these risk factors are now the leading causes of death in every part of world except sub-Saharan Africa, where infectious diseases such as AIDS are still the leading problem. These chronic diseases are, for the most part, entirely preventable. Countries and people could save precious lives and health care resources by investing in preventing these diseases, says WHO.

Very true and we have become a very sedentary nation - changes need to start in the schools. Doesn't equal laziness though.

 

[ChrisL]

Trying to post in between reports, and I forgot the link for the above information, although it is easy enough to find ALL of this information yourself with just a google search. It is really quite cut and dried that obesity is an incredible health risk, costs us billions of dollars every year and is detrimental to the health and well being of just about anyone. It should never be "encouraged" as a "lifestyle." That is no different than telling a smoker to ignore the health risks of smoking and telling them, "nah, you are fine with the smoking." It is RIDICULOUS.

 

[ChrisL]

The statistics speak for themselves. Go look at them.

So you can't provide any evidence that these are "outliers"?

Socioeconomics and Obesity: The State of Obesity

That correlates obesity and poverty - doesn't say anything about laziness or that the successful people are "outliers" since they're only talking about 33%.

It doesn't surprise me that obesity is more common amongst poor people but again, the reason's are very complex - poor people are more likely to live in "food deserts" where access to healthy food is difficult, they are less likely to have access to health facilities and education and if obesity starts in child, it's extremely difficult to not be an obese adult.

Physical inactivity a leading cause of disease and disability, warns WHO
4 APRIL 2002 - Physical inactivity can have serious implications for people’s health, said the World Health Organization today on the occasion of World Health Day. Approximately 2 million deaths per year are attributed to physical inactivity, prompting WHO to issue a warning that a sedentary lifestyle could very well be among the 10 leading causes of death and disability in the world. World Health Day is celebrated annually on April 7 and used to inform the public about leading public health issues. By choosing physical activity as the theme for World Health Day, WHO is promoting healthy, active and tobacco-free lifestyles. The aim is to prevent the disease and disability caused by unhealthy and sedentary living.

Sedentary lifestyles increase all causes of mortality, double the risk of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, and obesity, and increase the risks of colon cancer, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, lipid disorders, depression and anxiety. According to WHO, 60 to 85% of people in the world—from both developed and developing countries—lead sedentary lifestyles, making it one of the more serious yet insufficiently addressed public health problems of our time. It is estimated that nearly two-thirds of children are also insufficiently active, with serious implications for their future health.

Physical inactivity, along increasing tobacco use and poor diet and nutrition, are increasingly becoming part of today’s lifestyle leading to the rapid rise of diseases such as cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, or obesity. Chronic diseases caused by these risk factors are now the leading causes of death in every part of world except sub-Saharan Africa, where infectious diseases such as AIDS are still the leading problem. These chronic diseases are, for the most part, entirely preventable. Countries and people could save precious lives and health care resources by investing in preventing these diseases, says WHO.

Very true and we have become a very sedentary nation - changes need to start in the schools. Doesn't equal laziness though.

So now you are going to argue that a lot of people are not fat because of sheer laziness? Do you go out into the real world? Yes, many, many people ARE actually quite lazy and abhor physical activity.

 

[ChrisL]

I type hundreds of reports every day about people and their habits and what they actually do to try and improve their health, and you are going to argue with me about people being lazy?

 

[Coyote]

Trying to post in between reports, and I forgot the link for the above information, although it is easy enough to find ALL of this information yourself with just a google search. It is really quite cut and dried that obesity is an incredible health risk, costs us billions of dollars every year and is detrimental to the health and well being of just about anyone. It should never be "encouraged" as a "lifestyle." That is no different than telling a smoker to ignore the health risks of smoking and telling them, "nah, you are fine with the smoking." It is RIDICULOUS.

Agree.

It's not being "encouraged" as a lifestyle. Allowing a person to have self esteem and feel good about themselves is not "encouraging" a life style, and it might, in fact, give them the confidence in themselves to address the weight problem if they can. If they can't, then they shouldn't be punished for it by shaming and hate or claims of being "lazy". When you start stacking moral defects on top of body image, you lose me.

 

[Coyote]

So you can't provide any evidence that these are "outliers"?

Socioeconomics and Obesity: The State of Obesity

That correlates obesity and poverty - doesn't say anything about laziness or that the successful people are "outliers" since they're only talking about 33%.

It doesn't surprise me that obesity is more common amongst poor people but again, the reason's are very complex - poor people are more likely to live in "food deserts" where access to healthy food is difficult, they are less likely to have access to health facilities and education and if obesity starts in child, it's extremely difficult to not be an obese adult.

Physical inactivity a leading cause of disease and disability, warns WHO
4 APRIL 2002 - Physical inactivity can have serious implications for people’s health, said the World Health Organization today on the occasion of World Health Day. Approximately 2 million deaths per year are attributed to physical inactivity, prompting WHO to issue a warning that a sedentary lifestyle could very well be among the 10 leading causes of death and disability in the world. World Health Day is celebrated annually on April 7 and used to inform the public about leading public health issues. By choosing physical activity as the theme for World Health Day, WHO is promoting healthy, active and tobacco-free lifestyles. The aim is to prevent the disease and disability caused by unhealthy and sedentary living.

Sedentary lifestyles increase all causes of mortality, double the risk of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, and obesity, and increase the risks of colon cancer, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, lipid disorders, depression and anxiety. According to WHO, 60 to 85% of people in the world—from both developed and developing countries—lead sedentary lifestyles, making it one of the more serious yet insufficiently addressed public health problems of our time. It is estimated that nearly two-thirds of children are also insufficiently active, with serious implications for their future health.

Physical inactivity, along increasing tobacco use and poor diet and nutrition, are increasingly becoming part of today’s lifestyle leading to the rapid rise of diseases such as cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, or obesity. Chronic diseases caused by these risk factors are now the leading causes of death in every part of world except sub-Saharan Africa, where infectious diseases such as AIDS are still the leading problem. These chronic diseases are, for the most part, entirely preventable. Countries and people could save precious lives and health care resources by investing in preventing these diseases, says WHO.

Very true and we have become a very sedentary nation - changes need to start in the schools. Doesn't equal laziness though.

So now you are going to argue that a lot of people are not fat because of sheer laziness? Do you go out into the real world? Yes, many, many people ARE actually quite lazy and abhor physical activity.

Abhoring physical activity isn't "lazyness". People can be physically active and mentally lazy, contributing nothing.

Obesity is a complex disease influenced by multiple factors:

• Genetic
• Physiologic
• Environmental
• Behavioral

 

[ChrisL]

Trying to post in between reports, and I forgot the link for the above information, although it is easy enough to find ALL of this information yourself with just a google search. It is really quite cut and dried that obesity is an incredible health risk, costs us billions of dollars every year and is detrimental to the health and well being of just about anyone. It should never be "encouraged" as a "lifestyle." That is no different than telling a smoker to ignore the health risks of smoking and telling them, "nah, you are fine with the smoking." It is RIDICULOUS.

Agree.

It's not being "encouraged" as a lifestyle. Allowing a person to have self esteem and feel good about themselves is not "encouraging" a life style, and it might, in fact, give them the confidence in themselves to address the weight problem if they can. If they can't, then they shouldn't be punished for it by shaming and hate or claims of being "lazy". When you start stacking moral defects on top of body image, you lose me.

The fact of the matter is that some people really ARE just lazy. I'm sorry, that is just a fact. Some people pig out on junk food, don't get any exercise, and don't even care! Some don't even try to lose weight, and maybe that is because of people applauding them for . . . ??? being obese?

 

[Coyote]

Overweight people are not lazy and dumb

Raising moral issues
Often the cause and the solution to the problem of overweightness and obesity is presented as a simple equation:

Weight = (calories in) – (calories out)

This notion is what legitimises stigmatization and discrimination of obese persons, asserts Brewis Slade.

When we assume that being fat or slim is a relatively easy option we turn the problem into a morality issue: Fat people are morally deficient and should be ashamed and get their act together.

As a result such bias and slurs become more acceptable.

There’s just one hitch: Science does not support the hypothesis that obesity has anything to do with moral decrepitude. The math is much more complicated than the arithmetic above.


Multiple factors
“Obesity has very little to do with laziness and immorality,” says Jøran Hjelmesæth.

The professor does not wish to undermine our individual responsibilities for our health, or deny that body weight can be regulated by changing food intake and activity levels. But there is so much more.

The brain, intestines, fatty tissue, muscles, organs and bacterial flora comprise a complicated system of constant communication among the various parts.

This system is guided by the feeling of hunger, fullness, appetite, enjoyment of food, metabolism and storage of fat.

We now know that genes have a lot to say for the regulation of these mechanisms. There can be greater individual differences in how the body system is fine-tuned.


Not disposed to fatness
Obviously our genes cannot have changed much since the obesity epidemic started about 30 years ago. But in countries like Norway the environment we live in has.

We now live in a wealthier society where high-calorie temptations abound and are accessible 24/7. Fewer do physically strenuous work and cars and a cornucopian output of appliances and contraptions eliminate much of the daily exercise people used to get. In other words it is much harder to stay slim.

But not everyone is equally vulnerable. The calorie bombs at the counter of the petrol station just can’t be resisted by everyone. Not everyone gains weight as readily, even if they are couch potatoes.

“We estimate that about a third of the population is not disposed toward putting on weight. They stay slim regardless of their lifestyle,” says Karlsen at the University of Agder.

The bodies of others put on fat much too easily.

Exercise gave lower and higher weight
“Nearly no one is alike in their responses to food and exercise,” says Professor Bård Kulseng at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in Trondheim. He is a veteran in research on treating overweightness and obesity.

He refers to a study of how work-outs affect relatively untrained obese persons.

The researchers in the project ensured that the participants received identical amounts of physical activity. They engaged in exercise which should have burned 500 calories, straining themselves at 75 percent of their maximum capacity, five days a week for over three months. Food intake and everything else was controlled and the same for all of them. But the results were far from it.

“Some people enjoyed a huge benefit. They lost as much as 15 kilos. Most lost at least some weight. But others actually gained. This has also been confirmed in other studies.”

The different ways our bodies react caused these disparities.​

 

[Coyote]

Trying to post in between reports, and I forgot the link for the above information, although it is easy enough to find ALL of this information yourself with just a google search. It is really quite cut and dried that obesity is an incredible health risk, costs us billions of dollars every year and is detrimental to the health and well being of just about anyone. It should never be "encouraged" as a "lifestyle." That is no different than telling a smoker to ignore the health risks of smoking and telling them, "nah, you are fine with the smoking." It is RIDICULOUS.

Agree.

It's not being "encouraged" as a lifestyle. Allowing a person to have self esteem and feel good about themselves is not "encouraging" a life style, and it might, in fact, give them the confidence in themselves to address the weight problem if they can. If they can't, then they shouldn't be punished for it by shaming and hate or claims of being "lazy". When you start stacking moral defects on top of body image, you lose me.

The fact of the matter is that some people really ARE just lazy. I'm sorry, that is just a fact. Some people pig out on junk food, don't get any exercise, and don't even care! Some don't even try to lose weight, and maybe that is because of people applauding them for . . . ??? being obese?

Who is applauding?

 

[ChrisL]

Socioeconomics and Obesity: The State of Obesity

That correlates obesity and poverty - doesn't say anything about laziness or that the successful people are "outliers" since they're only talking about 33%.

It doesn't surprise me that obesity is more common amongst poor people but again, the reason's are very complex - poor people are more likely to live in "food deserts" where access to healthy food is difficult, they are less likely to have access to health facilities and education and if obesity starts in child, it's extremely difficult to not be an obese adult.

Physical inactivity a leading cause of disease and disability, warns WHO
4 APRIL 2002 - Physical inactivity can have serious implications for people’s health, said the World Health Organization today on the occasion of World Health Day. Approximately 2 million deaths per year are attributed to physical inactivity, prompting WHO to issue a warning that a sedentary lifestyle could very well be among the 10 leading causes of death and disability in the world. World Health Day is celebrated annually on April 7 and used to inform the public about leading public health issues. By choosing physical activity as the theme for World Health Day, WHO is promoting healthy, active and tobacco-free lifestyles. The aim is to prevent the disease and disability caused by unhealthy and sedentary living.

Sedentary lifestyles increase all causes of mortality, double the risk of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, and obesity, and increase the risks of colon cancer, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, lipid disorders, depression and anxiety. According to WHO, 60 to 85% of people in the world—from both developed and developing countries—lead sedentary lifestyles, making it one of the more serious yet insufficiently addressed public health problems of our time. It is estimated that nearly two-thirds of children are also insufficiently active, with serious implications for their future health.

Physical inactivity, along increasing tobacco use and poor diet and nutrition, are increasingly becoming part of today’s lifestyle leading to the rapid rise of diseases such as cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, or obesity. Chronic diseases caused by these risk factors are now the leading causes of death in every part of world except sub-Saharan Africa, where infectious diseases such as AIDS are still the leading problem. These chronic diseases are, for the most part, entirely preventable. Countries and people could save precious lives and health care resources by investing in preventing these diseases, says WHO.

Very true and we have become a very sedentary nation - changes need to start in the schools. Doesn't equal laziness though.

So now you are going to argue that a lot of people are not fat because of sheer laziness? Do you go out into the real world? Yes, many, many people ARE actually quite lazy and abhor physical activity.

Abhoring physical activity isn't "lazyness". People can be physically active and mentally lazy, contributing nothing.

Obesity is a complex disease influenced by multiple factors:

• Genetic
• Physiologic
• Environmental
• Behavioral

Of course, the case for some people is that it is difficult to change old habits. Genetic? From everything I know, I would say more than genetic (unless you have a disease of course) it is poor habits passed on and environmental rather than genetics. You don't have to have a perfectly shaped body and be bigger in the legs or bust or whatnot and still NOT be obese.

 

[ChrisL]

Overweight people are not lazy and dumb

Raising moral issues
Often the cause and the solution to the problem of overweightness and obesity is presented as a simple equation:

Weight = (calories in) – (calories out)

This notion is what legitimises stigmatization and discrimination of obese persons, asserts Brewis Slade.

When we assume that being fat or slim is a relatively easy option we turn the problem into a morality issue: Fat people are morally deficient and should be ashamed and get their act together.

As a result such bias and slurs become more acceptable.

There’s just one hitch: Science does not support the hypothesis that obesity has anything to do with moral decrepitude. The math is much more complicated than the arithmetic above.


Multiple factors
“Obesity has very little to do with laziness and immorality,” says Jøran Hjelmesæth.

The professor does not wish to undermine our individual responsibilities for our health, or deny that body weight can be regulated by changing food intake and activity levels. But there is so much more.

The brain, intestines, fatty tissue, muscles, organs and bacterial flora comprise a complicated system of constant communication among the various parts.

This system is guided by the feeling of hunger, fullness, appetite, enjoyment of food, metabolism and storage of fat.

We now know that genes have a lot to say for the regulation of these mechanisms. There can be greater individual differences in how the body system is fine-tuned.


Not disposed to fatness
Obviously our genes cannot have changed much since the obesity epidemic started about 30 years ago. But in countries like Norway the environment we live in has.

We now live in a wealthier society where high-calorie temptations abound and are accessible 24/7. Fewer do physically strenuous work and cars and a cornucopian output of appliances and contraptions eliminate much of the daily exercise people used to get. In other words it is much harder to stay slim.

But not everyone is equally vulnerable. The calorie bombs at the counter of the petrol station just can’t be resisted by everyone. Not everyone gains weight as readily, even if they are couch potatoes.

“We estimate that about a third of the population is not disposed toward putting on weight. They stay slim regardless of their lifestyle,” says Karlsen at the University of Agder.

The bodies of others put on fat much too easily.

Exercise gave lower and higher weight
“Nearly no one is alike in their responses to food and exercise,” says Professor Bård Kulseng at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in Trondheim. He is a veteran in research on treating overweightness and obesity.

He refers to a study of how work-outs affect relatively untrained obese persons.

The researchers in the project ensured that the participants received identical amounts of physical activity. They engaged in exercise which should have burned 500 calories, straining themselves at 75 percent of their maximum capacity, five days a week for over three months. Food intake and everything else was controlled and the same for all of them. But the results were far from it.

“Some people enjoyed a huge benefit. They lost as much as 15 kilos. Most lost at least some weight. But others actually gained. This has also been confirmed in other studies.”

The different ways our bodies react caused these disparities.​

Never said they were dumb. However, many of them ARE lazy. I know this for a fact.

 

[Coyote]

That correlates obesity and poverty - doesn't say anything about laziness or that the successful people are "outliers" since they're only talking about 33%.

It doesn't surprise me that obesity is more common amongst poor people but again, the reason's are very complex - poor people are more likely to live in "food deserts" where access to healthy food is difficult, they are less likely to have access to health facilities and education and if obesity starts in child, it's extremely difficult to not be an obese adult.

Physical inactivity a leading cause of disease and disability, warns WHO
4 APRIL 2002 - Physical inactivity can have serious implications for people’s health, said the World Health Organization today on the occasion of World Health Day. Approximately 2 million deaths per year are attributed to physical inactivity, prompting WHO to issue a warning that a sedentary lifestyle could very well be among the 10 leading causes of death and disability in the world. World Health Day is celebrated annually on April 7 and used to inform the public about leading public health issues. By choosing physical activity as the theme for World Health Day, WHO is promoting healthy, active and tobacco-free lifestyles. The aim is to prevent the disease and disability caused by unhealthy and sedentary living.

Sedentary lifestyles increase all causes of mortality, double the risk of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, and obesity, and increase the risks of colon cancer, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, lipid disorders, depression and anxiety. According to WHO, 60 to 85% of people in the world—from both developed and developing countries—lead sedentary lifestyles, making it one of the more serious yet insufficiently addressed public health problems of our time. It is estimated that nearly two-thirds of children are also insufficiently active, with serious implications for their future health.

Physical inactivity, along increasing tobacco use and poor diet and nutrition, are increasingly becoming part of today’s lifestyle leading to the rapid rise of diseases such as cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, or obesity. Chronic diseases caused by these risk factors are now the leading causes of death in every part of world except sub-Saharan Africa, where infectious diseases such as AIDS are still the leading problem. These chronic diseases are, for the most part, entirely preventable. Countries and people could save precious lives and health care resources by investing in preventing these diseases, says WHO.

Very true and we have become a very sedentary nation - changes need to start in the schools. Doesn't equal laziness though.

So now you are going to argue that a lot of people are not fat because of sheer laziness? Do you go out into the real world? Yes, many, many people ARE actually quite lazy and abhor physical activity.

Abhoring physical activity isn't "lazyness". People can be physically active and mentally lazy, contributing nothing.

Obesity is a complex disease influenced by multiple factors:

• Genetic
• Physiologic
• Environmental
• Behavioral

Of course, the case for some people is that it is difficult to change old habits. Genetic? From everything I know, I would say more than genetic (unless you have a disease of course) it is poor habits passed on and environmental rather than genetics. You don't have to have a perfectly shaped body and be bigger in the legs or bust or whatnot and still NOT be obese.

Genetics most certainly has a role in it. That's why it's a complex disease - there are many factors at play.

 

[Coyote]

Overweight people are not lazy and dumb

Raising moral issues
Often the cause and the solution to the problem of overweightness and obesity is presented as a simple equation:

Weight = (calories in) – (calories out)

This notion is what legitimises stigmatization and discrimination of obese persons, asserts Brewis Slade.

When we assume that being fat or slim is a relatively easy option we turn the problem into a morality issue: Fat people are morally deficient and should be ashamed and get their act together.

As a result such bias and slurs become more acceptable.

There’s just one hitch: Science does not support the hypothesis that obesity has anything to do with moral decrepitude. The math is much more complicated than the arithmetic above.


Multiple factors
“Obesity has very little to do with laziness and immorality,” says Jøran Hjelmesæth.

The professor does not wish to undermine our individual responsibilities for our health, or deny that body weight can be regulated by changing food intake and activity levels. But there is so much more.

The brain, intestines, fatty tissue, muscles, organs and bacterial flora comprise a complicated system of constant communication among the various parts.

This system is guided by the feeling of hunger, fullness, appetite, enjoyment of food, metabolism and storage of fat.

We now know that genes have a lot to say for the regulation of these mechanisms. There can be greater individual differences in how the body system is fine-tuned.


Not disposed to fatness
Obviously our genes cannot have changed much since the obesity epidemic started about 30 years ago. But in countries like Norway the environment we live in has.

We now live in a wealthier society where high-calorie temptations abound and are accessible 24/7. Fewer do physically strenuous work and cars and a cornucopian output of appliances and contraptions eliminate much of the daily exercise people used to get. In other words it is much harder to stay slim.

But not everyone is equally vulnerable. The calorie bombs at the counter of the petrol station just can’t be resisted by everyone. Not everyone gains weight as readily, even if they are couch potatoes.

“We estimate that about a third of the population is not disposed toward putting on weight. They stay slim regardless of their lifestyle,” says Karlsen at the University of Agder.

The bodies of others put on fat much too easily.

Exercise gave lower and higher weight
“Nearly no one is alike in their responses to food and exercise,” says Professor Bård Kulseng at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in Trondheim. He is a veteran in research on treating overweightness and obesity.

He refers to a study of how work-outs affect relatively untrained obese persons.

The researchers in the project ensured that the participants received identical amounts of physical activity. They engaged in exercise which should have burned 500 calories, straining themselves at 75 percent of their maximum capacity, five days a week for over three months. Food intake and everything else was controlled and the same for all of them. But the results were far from it.

“Some people enjoyed a huge benefit. They lost as much as 15 kilos. Most lost at least some weight. But others actually gained. This has also been confirmed in other studies.”

The different ways our bodies react caused these disparities.​

Never said they were dumb. However, many of them ARE lazy. I know this for a fact.

uh huh...and what fact supports that? Not research.

 

[ChrisL]

Physical inactivity a leading cause of disease and disability, warns WHO
4 APRIL 2002 - Physical inactivity can have serious implications for people’s health, said the World Health Organization today on the occasion of World Health Day. Approximately 2 million deaths per year are attributed to physical inactivity, prompting WHO to issue a warning that a sedentary lifestyle could very well be among the 10 leading causes of death and disability in the world. World Health Day is celebrated annually on April 7 and used to inform the public about leading public health issues. By choosing physical activity as the theme for World Health Day, WHO is promoting healthy, active and tobacco-free lifestyles. The aim is to prevent the disease and disability caused by unhealthy and sedentary living.

Sedentary lifestyles increase all causes of mortality, double the risk of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, and obesity, and increase the risks of colon cancer, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, lipid disorders, depression and anxiety. According to WHO, 60 to 85% of people in the world—from both developed and developing countries—lead sedentary lifestyles, making it one of the more serious yet insufficiently addressed public health problems of our time. It is estimated that nearly two-thirds of children are also insufficiently active, with serious implications for their future health.

Physical inactivity, along increasing tobacco use and poor diet and nutrition, are increasingly becoming part of today’s lifestyle leading to the rapid rise of diseases such as cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, or obesity. Chronic diseases caused by these risk factors are now the leading causes of death in every part of world except sub-Saharan Africa, where infectious diseases such as AIDS are still the leading problem. These chronic diseases are, for the most part, entirely preventable. Countries and people could save precious lives and health care resources by investing in preventing these diseases, says WHO.

Very true and we have become a very sedentary nation - changes need to start in the schools. Doesn't equal laziness though.

So now you are going to argue that a lot of people are not fat because of sheer laziness? Do you go out into the real world? Yes, many, many people ARE actually quite lazy and abhor physical activity.

Abhoring physical activity isn't "lazyness". People can be physically active and mentally lazy, contributing nothing.

Obesity is a complex disease influenced by multiple factors:

• Genetic
• Physiologic
• Environmental
• Behavioral

Of course, the case for some people is that it is difficult to change old habits. Genetic? From everything I know, I would say more than genetic (unless you have a disease of course) it is poor habits passed on and environmental rather than genetics. You don't have to have a perfectly shaped body and be bigger in the legs or bust or whatnot and still NOT be obese.

Genetics most certainly has a role in it. That's why it's a complex disease - there are many factors at play.

Okay, so now you are claiming that people are not lazy and that is not a contributing factor to a sedentary lifestyle. Is that what you're trying to sell? I'm not buying it. Of course there are MANY lazy people in the world.

 

[Coyote]

Very true and we have become a very sedentary nation - changes need to start in the schools. Doesn't equal laziness though.

So now you are going to argue that a lot of people are not fat because of sheer laziness? Do you go out into the real world? Yes, many, many people ARE actually quite lazy and abhor physical activity.

Abhoring physical activity isn't "lazyness". People can be physically active and mentally lazy, contributing nothing.

Obesity is a complex disease influenced by multiple factors:

• Genetic
• Physiologic
• Environmental
• Behavioral

Of course, the case for some people is that it is difficult to change old habits. Genetic? From everything I know, I would say more than genetic (unless you have a disease of course) it is poor habits passed on and environmental rather than genetics. You don't have to have a perfectly shaped body and be bigger in the legs or bust or whatnot and still NOT be obese.

Genetics most certainly has a role in it. That's why it's a complex disease - there are many factors at play.

Okay, so now you are claiming that people are not lazy and that is not a contributing factor to a sedentary lifestyle. Is that what you're trying to sell? I'm not buying it. Of course there are MANY lazy people in the world.

Nope. Not claiming that. Try to read.

 

[ChrisL]

Overweight people are not lazy and dumb

Raising moral issues
Often the cause and the solution to the problem of overweightness and obesity is presented as a simple equation:

Weight = (calories in) – (calories out)

This notion is what legitimises stigmatization and discrimination of obese persons, asserts Brewis Slade.

When we assume that being fat or slim is a relatively easy option we turn the problem into a morality issue: Fat people are morally deficient and should be ashamed and get their act together.

As a result such bias and slurs become more acceptable.

There’s just one hitch: Science does not support the hypothesis that obesity has anything to do with moral decrepitude. The math is much more complicated than the arithmetic above.


Multiple factors
“Obesity has very little to do with laziness and immorality,” says Jøran Hjelmesæth.

The professor does not wish to undermine our individual responsibilities for our health, or deny that body weight can be regulated by changing food intake and activity levels. But there is so much more.

The brain, intestines, fatty tissue, muscles, organs and bacterial flora comprise a complicated system of constant communication among the various parts.

This system is guided by the feeling of hunger, fullness, appetite, enjoyment of food, metabolism and storage of fat.

We now know that genes have a lot to say for the regulation of these mechanisms. There can be greater individual differences in how the body system is fine-tuned.


Not disposed to fatness
Obviously our genes cannot have changed much since the obesity epidemic started about 30 years ago. But in countries like Norway the environment we live in has.

We now live in a wealthier society where high-calorie temptations abound and are accessible 24/7. Fewer do physically strenuous work and cars and a cornucopian output of appliances and contraptions eliminate much of the daily exercise people used to get. In other words it is much harder to stay slim.

But not everyone is equally vulnerable. The calorie bombs at the counter of the petrol station just can’t be resisted by everyone. Not everyone gains weight as readily, even if they are couch potatoes.

“We estimate that about a third of the population is not disposed toward putting on weight. They stay slim regardless of their lifestyle,” says Karlsen at the University of Agder.

The bodies of others put on fat much too easily.

Exercise gave lower and higher weight
“Nearly no one is alike in their responses to food and exercise,” says Professor Bård Kulseng at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in Trondheim. He is a veteran in research on treating overweightness and obesity.

He refers to a study of how work-outs affect relatively untrained obese persons.

The researchers in the project ensured that the participants received identical amounts of physical activity. They engaged in exercise which should have burned 500 calories, straining themselves at 75 percent of their maximum capacity, five days a week for over three months. Food intake and everything else was controlled and the same for all of them. But the results were far from it.

“Some people enjoyed a huge benefit. They lost as much as 15 kilos. Most lost at least some weight. But others actually gained. This has also been confirmed in other studies.”

The different ways our bodies react caused these disparities.​

Never said they were dumb. However, many of them ARE lazy. I know this for a fact.

uh huh...and what fact supports that? Not research.

What you are doing is denying that laziness is a factor. I'm sorry but yes, laziness is most certainly a factor in a sedentary lifestyle in most instances. Unless you have a disability which prevents you from moving about, it is your own choice to stay seated on the couch rather than doing something active.

 

[ChrisL]

So now you are going to argue that a lot of people are not fat because of sheer laziness? Do you go out into the real world? Yes, many, many people ARE actually quite lazy and abhor physical activity.

Abhoring physical activity isn't "lazyness". People can be physically active and mentally lazy, contributing nothing.

Obesity is a complex disease influenced by multiple factors:

• Genetic
• Physiologic
• Environmental
• Behavioral

Of course, the case for some people is that it is difficult to change old habits. Genetic? From everything I know, I would say more than genetic (unless you have a disease of course) it is poor habits passed on and environmental rather than genetics. You don't have to have a perfectly shaped body and be bigger in the legs or bust or whatnot and still NOT be obese.

Genetics most certainly has a role in it. That's why it's a complex disease - there are many factors at play.

Okay, so now you are claiming that people are not lazy and that is not a contributing factor to a sedentary lifestyle. Is that what you're trying to sell? I'm not buying it. Of course there are MANY lazy people in the world.

Nope. Not claiming that. Try to read.

I never claimed other factors did not play a role. What I am saying is that obesity is most certainly due to laziness in a lot of cases. To deny that, is to deny reality and to be pretty much claiming that people are "ideal" and always do what is right or best.

 

[ChrisL]

I think we all know some people who are lazy and fat and have poor eating habits and have no one to blame but themselves for their "condition." They don't want to work at getting into shape. They enjoy sitting on their couch and eating junk food. THAT is reality.

 

[Coyote]

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Overweight people are not lazy and dumb

Raising moral issues
Often the cause and the solution to the problem of overweightness and obesity is presented as a simple equation:

Weight = (calories in) – (calories out)

This notion is what legitimises stigmatization and discrimination of obese persons, asserts Brewis Slade.

When we assume that being fat or slim is a relatively easy option we turn the problem into a morality issue: Fat people are morally deficient and should be ashamed and get their act together.

As a result such bias and slurs become more acceptable.

There’s just one hitch: Science does not support the hypothesis that obesity has anything to do with moral decrepitude. The math is much more complicated than the arithmetic above.


Multiple factors
“Obesity has very little to do with laziness and immorality,” says Jøran Hjelmesæth.

The professor does not wish to undermine our individual responsibilities for our health, or deny that body weight can be regulated by changing food intake and activity levels. But there is so much more.

The brain, intestines, fatty tissue, muscles, organs and bacterial flora comprise a complicated system of constant communication among the various parts.

This system is guided by the feeling of hunger, fullness, appetite, enjoyment of food, metabolism and storage of fat.

We now know that genes have a lot to say for the regulation of these mechanisms. There can be greater individual differences in how the body system is fine-tuned.


Not disposed to fatness
Obviously our genes cannot have changed much since the obesity epidemic started about 30 years ago. But in countries like Norway the environment we live in has.

We now live in a wealthier society where high-calorie temptations abound and are accessible 24/7. Fewer do physically strenuous work and cars and a cornucopian output of appliances and contraptions eliminate much of the daily exercise people used to get. In other words it is much harder to stay slim.

But not everyone is equally vulnerable. The calorie bombs at the counter of the petrol station just can’t be resisted by everyone. Not everyone gains weight as readily, even if they are couch potatoes.

“We estimate that about a third of the population is not disposed toward putting on weight. They stay slim regardless of their lifestyle,” says Karlsen at the University of Agder.

The bodies of others put on fat much too easily.

Exercise gave lower and higher weight
“Nearly no one is alike in their responses to food and exercise,” says Professor Bård Kulseng at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in Trondheim. He is a veteran in research on treating overweightness and obesity.

He refers to a study of how work-outs affect relatively untrained obese persons.

The researchers in the project ensured that the participants received identical amounts of physical activity. They engaged in exercise which should have burned 500 calories, straining themselves at 75 percent of their maximum capacity, five days a week for over three months. Food intake and everything else was controlled and the same for all of them. But the results were far from it.

“Some people enjoyed a huge benefit. They lost as much as 15 kilos. Most lost at least some weight. But others actually gained. This has also been confirmed in other studies.”

The different ways our bodies react caused these disparities.​

Never said they were dumb. However, many of them ARE lazy. I know this for a fact.

uh huh...and what fact supports that? Not research.

What you are doing is denying that laziness is a factor. I'm sorry but yes, laziness is most certainly a factor in a sedentary lifestyle in most instances. Unless you have a disability which prevents you from moving about, it is your own choice to stay seated on the couch rather than doing something active.

No, I'm not. I'm saying it could be a factor but you have yet to prove that fat people are lazier than skinny people or that it is a major factor. Read the article I quoted.

I know plenty of lazy skinny people who never exercise if they can avoid it.