Obesity is NOT beautiful! :(

[ChrisL]

but your being "tired" of hearing that fat women can be beautiful isn't talking about their health.

people should be encouraged to be healthy. but your "offense" at fat people is kind of an overreaction.

What really kills me is that she doesnt understand the article she used to support her argument about obesity being unhealthy is actually about people empowering themselves and has nothing to do with glorifying being overweight. Its about self acceptance.

No, I'm sorry. This woman is a known poster in the Facebook world too. She glorifies being fat as a "body type" that should be accepted. This is not her first blog.

It should be accepted. There is no reason in the world why it shouldnt.

My post #594 is why it should not be accepted. Not to mention, it looks terrible too.

Thats not a reason to not accept being overweight. Again you are only offering your opinion.

Yes, those are plenty of good reasons to not accept it. People can change it if they want to in most instances. They are costing us an extraordinary amount of money and children are getting sick with obesity-related diseases. THAT is certainly a problem. Doctors have determined that obesity is just as, if not more, dangerous than smoking. Do you think smoking should be "accepted" too? Should we say "yay for smokers!!" because we don't want to "hurt their feelings?"

 

[ChrisL]

So, let me get this straight, I am a bad person for thinking highly of myself and others are really within their rights to speak about me in such a way because I have some self esteem? Hmm. That's interesting. Do you want me to feel badly about myself? If so, why? I'm not costing the American people billions of dollars in health related expenses. I take care of myself and my body.

Just like you have the right to feel good about yourself so does anyone else....despite what you think. Thats the entire point of your article.

and that is the ultimate point that she's missing. I can't imagine how badly an overweight person would feel reading this thread and I don't see any reason to intentionally destroy people's self-esteem. everyone should feel good about themselves and their accomplishments. beauty is superficial and passes. ugly inside is forever.

It is not better than smoking and very costly to all of us and is something that, in most cases, can certainly be changed. Sorry, those are facts.

 

[ChrisL]

There is nothing wrong with this topic. It is a perfectly legitimate topic about a problem that America is facing currently and will be in the future as well. If you do not like the topic, then feel free to not comment on it. If you want to have a sane and logical discussion about the topic, then I am all ears!

10 Flabbergasting Costs of America's Obesity Epidemic - Motley Fool

SILVER SPRING, MD – April 11, 2013 – As was reported in a recent edition of The Motley Fool, obesity is costing us big time! Since 1960, the number of obese Americans has tripled. What? Tripled, yes!! And six times more Americans are now extremely obese than 50 years ago. Unfortunately, everyone is paying for this obesity epidemic. How much? Here are 10 shocking numbers related to the costs of obesity:

1. $190 billion -- That's the amount of added medical costs every year that are estimated to stem from obesity-related problems. It’s nearly 21% of total U.S. health care costs.
2. 105% -- According to a study conducted by the Brookings Institution, this is the increased amount that obese Americans pay for prescription drugs compared to individuals who aren't obese.
3. $3.4 billion -- Cars are burning around 938 million gallons of gasoline per year more than they would if Americans weighed what they did in 1960.
4. $164 billion -- The Society of Actuaries estimates that U.S. employers are losing this amount in productivity each year due to obesity-related issues with employees.
5. $6.4 billion -- Every year, this amount is estimated to be lost due to employee absenteeism related to obesity.
6. $1 billion -- U.S. airlines are consuming an extra 350 million gallons of fuel per year due to overweight passengers.
7. $14.3 billion -- This is how much childhood obesity costs the U.S. each year, according to a published study from the Brookings Institution.
8. $62 billion -- Medicare and Medicaid are spending nearly this amount every year on obesity-related costs.
9. $66 billion -- Columbia University researchers say that if current trends don't change, annul obesity-related medical costs in the U.S. could increase this amount by 2030.
10. $580 billion -- The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation predicts that annual economic productivity loss due to obesity could hit this staggering amount by 2030 unless the current situation changes.

“These are bills that we can’t afford to pay,” said Jim Baugh, founder of PHIT America, a cause designed to create a Movement for a Fit and Healthy America. “PHIT America has solutions to helping the U.S. overcome the obesity epidemic. It all starts with regular physical activity and getting daily PE back in schools. You will soon read about new eye opening research findings that lack of exercise Is the main culprit in startling rise of childhood obesity.

- See more at: 10 Flabbergasting Costs of America's Obesity Epidemic - Motley Fool

This is what should have been in the OP instead of an article about self acceptance.

Well, it seems to me that people are MUCH more interested in my opinion about fat people than the actual problem, which IS the fat people.

Thats because the article you used is about people accepting themselves and the title of your thread. Basically you stated your opinion about what is beautiful/attractive as if it was a fact.

Right. I never claimed my opinion was a fact, but I have certainly posted enough facts to support my position.

If I have it correct your position is that being overweight is unhealthy and puts a strain on our healthcare system. Your opinion on whats beautiful has zero to do with that fact. You should separate your opinion from your facts.

Um, no. That is what this place is for. I can express my opinions all I want.

 

[Asclepias]

What really kills me is that she doesnt understand the article she used to support her argument about obesity being unhealthy is actually about people empowering themselves and has nothing to do with glorifying being overweight. Its about self acceptance.

No, I'm sorry. This woman is a known poster in the Facebook world too. She glorifies being fat as a "body type" that should be accepted. This is not her first blog.

It should be accepted. There is no reason in the world why it shouldnt.

My post #594 is why it should not be accepted. Not to mention, it looks terrible too.

Thats not a reason to not accept being overweight. Again you are only offering your opinion.

Yes, those are plenty of good reasons to not accept it. People can change it if they want to in most instances. They are costing us an extraordinary amount of money and children are getting sick with obesity-related diseases. THAT is certainly a problem. Doctors have determined that obesity is just as, if not more, dangerous than smoking. Do you think smoking should be "accepted" too? Should we say "yay for smokers!!" because we don't want to "hurt their feelings?"

None of that is a good reason to encourage people to have low self esteem.

 

[ChrisL]

So, let me get this straight, I am a bad person for thinking highly of myself and others are really within their rights to speak about me in such a way because I have some self esteem? Hmm. That's interesting. Do you want me to feel badly about myself? If so, why? I'm not costing the American people billions of dollars in health related expenses. I take care of myself and my body.

Just like you have the right to feel good about yourself so does anyone else....despite what you think. Thats the entire point of your article.

and that is the ultimate point that she's missing. I can't imagine how badly an overweight person would feel reading this thread and I don't see any reason to intentionally destroy people's self-esteem. everyone should feel good about themselves and their accomplishments. beauty is superficial and passes. ugly inside is forever.

Yet you applaud some disgusting troll for making the disgusting comments he has made about me? That is laughable.

 

[ChrisL]

No, I'm sorry. This woman is a known poster in the Facebook world too. She glorifies being fat as a "body type" that should be accepted. This is not her first blog.

It should be accepted. There is no reason in the world why it shouldnt.

My post #594 is why it should not be accepted. Not to mention, it looks terrible too.

Thats not a reason to not accept being overweight. Again you are only offering your opinion.

Yes, those are plenty of good reasons to not accept it. People can change it if they want to in most instances. They are costing us an extraordinary amount of money and children are getting sick with obesity-related diseases. THAT is certainly a problem. Doctors have determined that obesity is just as, if not more, dangerous than smoking. Do you think smoking should be "accepted" too? Should we say "yay for smokers!!" because we don't want to "hurt their feelings?"

None of that is a good reason to encourage people to have low self esteem.

I disagree. You should not feel "good" about being overweight and unhealthy. That isn't helping anyone. It is totally unproductive. This is a REAL problem when 1 in three children are obese and many are suffering from obesity-related illnesses. That is unacceptable, whether or not it hurts someone's feelings is really NOT what is most important.

 

[Asclepias]

This is what should have been in the OP instead of an article about self acceptance.

Well, it seems to me that people are MUCH more interested in my opinion about fat people than the actual problem, which IS the fat people.

Thats because the article you used is about people accepting themselves and the title of your thread. Basically you stated your opinion about what is beautiful/attractive as if it was a fact.

Right. I never claimed my opinion was a fact, but I have certainly posted enough facts to support my position.

If I have it correct your position is that being overweight is unhealthy and puts a strain on our healthcare system. Your opinion on whats beautiful has zero to do with that fact. You should separate your opinion from your facts.

Um, no. That is what this place is for. I can express my opinions all I want.

Then dont get upset when people are "MUCH more interested" in your opinion. Your argument is lost in the mess of your opinion, your title, and supporting article. Get it together woman.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, it seems to me that people are MUCH more interested in my opinion about fat people than the actual problem, which IS the fat people.

Thats because the article you used is about people accepting themselves and the title of your thread. Basically you stated your opinion about what is beautiful/attractive as if it was a fact.

Right. I never claimed my opinion was a fact, but I have certainly posted enough facts to support my position.

If I have it correct your position is that being overweight is unhealthy and puts a strain on our healthcare system. Your opinion on whats beautiful has zero to do with that fact. You should separate your opinion from your facts.

Um, no. That is what this place is for. I can express my opinions all I want.

Then dont get upset when people are "MUCH more interested" in your opinion. Your argument is lost in the mess of your opinion, your title, and supporting article. Get it together woman.

I'm sorry, but my opinion is not costing us billions of dollars. I am just a woman on a message board making a point. If you want to take it so personally, I'm sorry but that is really not the important issue here.

 

[jillian]

So, let me get this straight, I am a bad person for thinking highly of myself and others are really within their rights to speak about me in such a way because I have some self esteem? Hmm. That's interesting. Do you want me to feel badly about myself? If so, why? I'm not costing the American people billions of dollars in health related expenses. I take care of myself and my body.

Just like you have the right to feel good about yourself so does anyone else....despite what you think. Thats the entire point of your article.

and that is the ultimate point that she's missing. I can't imagine how badly an overweight person would feel reading this thread and I don't see any reason to intentionally destroy people's self-esteem. everyone should feel good about themselves and their accomplishments. beauty is superficial and passes. ugly inside is forever.

It is not better than smoking and very costly to all of us and is something that, in most cases, can certainly be changed. Sorry, those are facts.

which has nothing to do with either the tone or title of your thread.

you said what you said. trying to pretend you didn't is silly. as you are entitled to your opinion, the rest of us are entitled to our opinions about what you wrote.

you can accept that or not. I don't really care.

and I have work to do now... stop whining.

 

[Asclepias]

It should be accepted. There is no reason in the world why it shouldnt.

My post #594 is why it should not be accepted. Not to mention, it looks terrible too.

Thats not a reason to not accept being overweight. Again you are only offering your opinion.

Yes, those are plenty of good reasons to not accept it. People can change it if they want to in most instances. They are costing us an extraordinary amount of money and children are getting sick with obesity-related diseases. THAT is certainly a problem. Doctors have determined that obesity is just as, if not more, dangerous than smoking. Do you think smoking should be "accepted" too? Should we say "yay for smokers!!" because we don't want to "hurt their feelings?"

None of that is a good reason to encourage people to have low self esteem.

I disagree. You should not feel "good" about being overweight and unhealthy. That isn't helping anyone. It is totally unproductive. This is a REAL problem when 1 in three children are obese and many are suffering from obesity-related illnesses. That is unacceptable, whether or not it hurts someone's feelings is really NOT what is most important.

You claimed you were in the medical field. Tell me what is one of if not the most important things in a patients recovery from anything? I'll answer that for you. Attitude.

 

[ChrisL]

So, let me get this straight, I am a bad person for thinking highly of myself and others are really within their rights to speak about me in such a way because I have some self esteem? Hmm. That's interesting. Do you want me to feel badly about myself? If so, why? I'm not costing the American people billions of dollars in health related expenses. I take care of myself and my body.

Just like you have the right to feel good about yourself so does anyone else....despite what you think. Thats the entire point of your article.

and that is the ultimate point that she's missing. I can't imagine how badly an overweight person would feel reading this thread and I don't see any reason to intentionally destroy people's self-esteem. everyone should feel good about themselves and their accomplishments. beauty is superficial and passes. ugly inside is forever.

It is not better than smoking and very costly to all of us and is something that, in most cases, can certainly be changed. Sorry, those are facts.

which has nothing to do with either the tone or title of your thread.

you said what you said. trying to pretend you didn't is silly. as you are entitled to your opinion, the rest of us are entitled to our opinions about what you wrote.

you can accept that or not. I don't really care.

and I have work to do now... stop whining.

I said what? Obesity is not beautiful? Is that what has you all upset with me? Lol. Now THAT is silly.

 

[ChrisL]

My post #594 is why it should not be accepted. Not to mention, it looks terrible too.

Thats not a reason to not accept being overweight. Again you are only offering your opinion.

Yes, those are plenty of good reasons to not accept it. People can change it if they want to in most instances. They are costing us an extraordinary amount of money and children are getting sick with obesity-related diseases. THAT is certainly a problem. Doctors have determined that obesity is just as, if not more, dangerous than smoking. Do you think smoking should be "accepted" too? Should we say "yay for smokers!!" because we don't want to "hurt their feelings?"

None of that is a good reason to encourage people to have low self esteem.

I disagree. You should not feel "good" about being overweight and unhealthy. That isn't helping anyone. It is totally unproductive. This is a REAL problem when 1 in three children are obese and many are suffering from obesity-related illnesses. That is unacceptable, whether or not it hurts someone's feelings is really NOT what is most important.

You claimed you were in the medical field. Tell me what is one of if not the most important things in a patients recovery from anything? I'll answer that for you. Attitude.

I don't work with patients. I type legal medical documents, from admissions, histories and physicals, operative notes, clinic notes, discharge summaries, letters, etc., etc.

 

[Asclepias]

Thats because the article you used is about people accepting themselves and the title of your thread. Basically you stated your opinion about what is beautiful/attractive as if it was a fact.

Right. I never claimed my opinion was a fact, but I have certainly posted enough facts to support my position.

If I have it correct your position is that being overweight is unhealthy and puts a strain on our healthcare system. Your opinion on whats beautiful has zero to do with that fact. You should separate your opinion from your facts.

Um, no. That is what this place is for. I can express my opinions all I want.

Then dont get upset when people are "MUCH more interested" in your opinion. Your argument is lost in the mess of your opinion, your title, and supporting article. Get it together woman.

I'm sorry, but my opinion is not costing us billions of dollars. I am just a woman on a message board making a point. If you want to take it so personally, I'm sorry but that is really not the important issue here.

Youre the only one taking it personally. I'm actually laughing at you. No one said your opinion is costing us billions of dollars. However you and others with the same opinion are responsible for people with low self esteem. How much do you think that costs us?

 

[Asclepias]

Thats not a reason to not accept being overweight. Again you are only offering your opinion.

Yes, those are plenty of good reasons to not accept it. People can change it if they want to in most instances. They are costing us an extraordinary amount of money and children are getting sick with obesity-related diseases. THAT is certainly a problem. Doctors have determined that obesity is just as, if not more, dangerous than smoking. Do you think smoking should be "accepted" too? Should we say "yay for smokers!!" because we don't want to "hurt their feelings?"

None of that is a good reason to encourage people to have low self esteem.

I disagree. You should not feel "good" about being overweight and unhealthy. That isn't helping anyone. It is totally unproductive. This is a REAL problem when 1 in three children are obese and many are suffering from obesity-related illnesses. That is unacceptable, whether or not it hurts someone's feelings is really NOT what is most important.

You claimed you were in the medical field. Tell me what is one of if not the most important things in a patients recovery from anything? I'll answer that for you. Attitude.

I don't work with patients. I type legal medical documents, from admissions, histories and physicals, operative notes, clinic notes, discharge summaries, letters, etc., etc.

No wonder you have no clue about self image. You are removed from the humanity of the medical field.

 

[ChrisL]

Right. I never claimed my opinion was a fact, but I have certainly posted enough facts to support my position.

If I have it correct your position is that being overweight is unhealthy and puts a strain on our healthcare system. Your opinion on whats beautiful has zero to do with that fact. You should separate your opinion from your facts.

Um, no. That is what this place is for. I can express my opinions all I want.

Then dont get upset when people are "MUCH more interested" in your opinion. Your argument is lost in the mess of your opinion, your title, and supporting article. Get it together woman.

I'm sorry, but my opinion is not costing us billions of dollars. I am just a woman on a message board making a point. If you want to take it so personally, I'm sorry but that is really not the important issue here.

Youre the only one taking it personally. I'm actually laughing at you. No one said your opinion is costing us billions of dollars. However you and others with the same opinion are responsible for people with low self esteem. How much do you think that costs us?

I am not responsible for people's low self esteem. People have low esteem because they don't feel good about themselves. That doesn't have anything to do with me. I don't go out of my way to be intentionally cruel when I see a fat person. However, this is a message board where we are encouraged to share our opinions, and that is what I'm doing.

 

[ChrisL]

Yes, those are plenty of good reasons to not accept it. People can change it if they want to in most instances. They are costing us an extraordinary amount of money and children are getting sick with obesity-related diseases. THAT is certainly a problem. Doctors have determined that obesity is just as, if not more, dangerous than smoking. Do you think smoking should be "accepted" too? Should we say "yay for smokers!!" because we don't want to "hurt their feelings?"

None of that is a good reason to encourage people to have low self esteem.

I disagree. You should not feel "good" about being overweight and unhealthy. That isn't helping anyone. It is totally unproductive. This is a REAL problem when 1 in three children are obese and many are suffering from obesity-related illnesses. That is unacceptable, whether or not it hurts someone's feelings is really NOT what is most important.

You claimed you were in the medical field. Tell me what is one of if not the most important things in a patients recovery from anything? I'll answer that for you. Attitude.

I don't work with patients. I type legal medical documents, from admissions, histories and physicals, operative notes, clinic notes, discharge summaries, letters, etc., etc.

No wonder you have no clue about self image. You are removed from the humanity of the medical field.

Not really. I get to know a patient's entire history.

 

[Asclepias]

If I have it correct your position is that being overweight is unhealthy and puts a strain on our healthcare system. Your opinion on whats beautiful has zero to do with that fact. You should separate your opinion from your facts.

Um, no. That is what this place is for. I can express my opinions all I want.

Then dont get upset when people are "MUCH more interested" in your opinion. Your argument is lost in the mess of your opinion, your title, and supporting article. Get it together woman.

I'm sorry, but my opinion is not costing us billions of dollars. I am just a woman on a message board making a point. If you want to take it so personally, I'm sorry but that is really not the important issue here.

Youre the only one taking it personally. I'm actually laughing at you. No one said your opinion is costing us billions of dollars. However you and others with the same opinion are responsible for people with low self esteem. How much do you think that costs us?

I am not responsible for people's low self esteem. People have low esteem because they don't feel good about themselves. That doesn't have anything to do with me. I don't go out of my way to be intentionally cruel when I see a fat person. However, this is a message board where we are encouraged to share our opinions, and that is what I'm doing.

People like you cause others that dont fight back to have low self esteem. Its an ugliness that obscures whatever physical beauty you may actually have.

 

[Asclepias]

None of that is a good reason to encourage people to have low self esteem.

I disagree. You should not feel "good" about being overweight and unhealthy. That isn't helping anyone. It is totally unproductive. This is a REAL problem when 1 in three children are obese and many are suffering from obesity-related illnesses. That is unacceptable, whether or not it hurts someone's feelings is really NOT what is most important.

You claimed you were in the medical field. Tell me what is one of if not the most important things in a patients recovery from anything? I'll answer that for you. Attitude.

I don't work with patients. I type legal medical documents, from admissions, histories and physicals, operative notes, clinic notes, discharge summaries, letters, etc., etc.

No wonder you have no clue about self image. You are removed from the humanity of the medical field.

Not really. I get to know a patient's entire history.

By reading notes or talking to them and their family about how they feel and how they got to the point they are at?

 

[Esmeralda]

Let's just put it this way. Men are not a problem for me. I've always been able to get any man I've wanted. Never had a problem in that area.

anyone can find someone to sleep with.

and i've generally found that people who grandstand about stuff like that on the internets are full of it.

but if you need that. it's all good.

I agree that people, in RL or on the internet, who make a big deal of how wonderful they are, whether it's looks or something else, usually have issues about that very thing. If you have to tell people you are attractive and make it a big issue, something seems very false about it.

I'm just defending myself against a weirdo on the internet who is obsessed with my appearance, where I live, how I live my life. I don't really know what your issue is with that. If you have a problem with that and think that it means something other than defending myself against . . . . some ridiculous internet troll, then I don't know what to say! I find it shocking though.

You are making a fool of yourself. My advice is to put him on ignore. He will stop doing what he is doing when there is no response. Frankly, your comments about your looks indicate low self esteem. Overall, your behavior on this thread is demeaning, to yourself. That's my opinion.

 

[ChrisL]

Um, no. That is what this place is for. I can express my opinions all I want.

Then dont get upset when people are "MUCH more interested" in your opinion. Your argument is lost in the mess of your opinion, your title, and supporting article. Get it together woman.

I'm sorry, but my opinion is not costing us billions of dollars. I am just a woman on a message board making a point. If you want to take it so personally, I'm sorry but that is really not the important issue here.

Youre the only one taking it personally. I'm actually laughing at you. No one said your opinion is costing us billions of dollars. However you and others with the same opinion are responsible for people with low self esteem. How much do you think that costs us?

I am not responsible for people's low self esteem. People have low esteem because they don't feel good about themselves. That doesn't have anything to do with me. I don't go out of my way to be intentionally cruel when I see a fat person. However, this is a message board where we are encouraged to share our opinions, and that is what I'm doing.

People like you cause others that dont fight back to have low self esteem. Its an ugliness that obscures whatever physical beauty you may actually have.

People like me? I'm merely stating that I don't find obesity attractive. I'm sure there are many people who are MUCH more cruel. I'm just being honest.