Obesity is NOT beautiful! :(

[jillian]

My "version" of reality? What is that? Obesity and being overweight are problems in America right now and cost us billions of dollars, and obese people are generally not attractive. Now, what is it that you disagree with so vehemently?

Your version of "reality" is the attractive or lack there of part. That's not reality, that's pure opinion.

that's the truth.

if she wanted to raise the health issue, perhaps there was a way to do that. but it seems people get offended when health is encouraged. they melt down when schools are made to provide healthier lunches. they got upset when they thought they couldn't get 30 ounces of sugar water at their local 7 Eleven, etc.

so the rant is a rant about people's looks. in that regard her reaction is pretty off the charts. i can't imagine being that fired up over something like that to create that kind of o/p.

There is no rant, so I don't know what your problem is. I want to discuss the issue of obesity in America. If you can't handle that . . . there's the door. Bye!

i'm sorry you can't tolerate that your o/p is simply a rant about the fact that fat women's looks offend you. and more than a couple of us are making the same observation. so if you left the wrong impression, that's on you, i'd say.

but no, i don't have any reason not to post. if you can't handle comments, maybe you should step away from the computer. i was being as polite to you as i could under the circumstances. *shrug*

Well if I couldn't tolerate it, I wouldn't ever be going out of my house. I don't need to step away from the computer. This forum is to express ourselves and our opinions on topics. If you don't like my opinion, that is really not my issue. It affects me in no way whatsoever actually.

you started a thread that said "obesity is not beautiful"

you did not say "obesity is unhealthy"

you said how you're "tired" of people saying that fat people can be beautiful.

and then went on for how many words about how unattractive fat people are.

and you're whining that we're saying you really shouldn't care about how people look but that a discussion about health could have been had.

it just wasn't the discussion you started.

communication skills are important.

 

[ChrisL]

It seems odd that people seem to be focusing in on my opinion of fat people rather than the HORRIBLE statistics and realities of the situation.

Maybe it's because of the way you presented the issue.

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

 

[Esmeralda]

'Normal' is subjective. Are tribes in Africa who regard fat women as attractive. So much so they fatten up normal women before their weddings.

Forced to Be Fat

"In Mauritania, where big is beautiful and stretch marks are sexy, young girls are brutally force-fed a diet of up to 16,000 calories a day — more than four times that of a male bodybuilder — to prepare them for marriage."

And even here in the US not so long ago...

it was a dark and stormy night;, Back When Thin Wasn’t In: 8 Vintage Weight Gain...

Those women are NOT fat! Stick to the topic please. We are talking about people encouraging a "fat" body style as being a variant of normal and that they should just accept it and be fat. It is unhealthy and costs us loads of money is the bottom line. Not to mention, it is not attractive to be overweight.

Fat acceptance is what it used to be called. However, the pendulum can swing too far in either direction.

The medical community suggests appropriate weight and BMI for men and women of all sizes: height and bone structure. Healthy weight does not mean perfect weight. But, obesity is not healthy. The real issue is not about being attractive but about good health.

I agree that sometimes BMI are not always an accurate measurement. Some people are muscular and muscle is denser than fat.

I never said BMI was not an accurate measurement. I believe it is accurate when done correctly, based on bone structure and height. If the BMI measurement is done correctly, it takes into account muscle mass compared to fat.

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

 

[Papageorgio]

but your being "tired" of hearing that fat women can be beautiful isn't talking about their health.

people should be encouraged to be healthy. but your "offense" at fat people is kind of an overreaction.

I disagree. I think it is perfectly justified reaction.

you obviously agree or you wouldn't have created the rant in the o/p.

we're bringing you back to reality.

Rant? It's not a rant. It's just facts. I posted the statistics. What are you arguing about? My opinion on how fat people look? What does that matter?

No disrespect however, you stated that Obesity is not Beautiful. You made it matter.

Am I not entitled to my opinion about obesity? To me it is not beautiful at all. Like I said, if people want to be offended over my opinions, that's fine. It really makes no difference to me. If they are going to try to attack me over my opinions that is another issue entirely.

Im not attacking you over your opinion, I simply stated mine. Then you went on about health care costs. That doesn't have anything to do with looks.

I don't care what others do with their personal life, or their looks. I'd never get a tattoo, most of them are ugly to me. However, even with the added health risks of tattoos, it's up to the person and their choice.

Obesity in some instances is not a choice. But it is not my place to say either way. Live and let live.

 

[ChrisL]

Your version of "reality" is the attractive or lack there of part. That's not reality, that's pure opinion.

that's the truth.

if she wanted to raise the health issue, perhaps there was a way to do that. but it seems people get offended when health is encouraged. they melt down when schools are made to provide healthier lunches. they got upset when they thought they couldn't get 30 ounces of sugar water at their local 7 Eleven, etc.

so the rant is a rant about people's looks. in that regard her reaction is pretty off the charts. i can't imagine being that fired up over something like that to create that kind of o/p.

There is no rant, so I don't know what your problem is. I want to discuss the issue of obesity in America. If you can't handle that . . . there's the door. Bye!

i'm sorry you can't tolerate that your o/p is simply a rant about the fact that fat women's looks offend you. and more than a couple of us are making the same observation. so if you left the wrong impression, that's on you, i'd say.

but no, i don't have any reason not to post. if you can't handle comments, maybe you should step away from the computer. i was being as polite to you as i could under the circumstances. *shrug*

Well if I couldn't tolerate it, I wouldn't ever be going out of my house. I don't need to step away from the computer. This forum is to express ourselves and our opinions on topics. If you don't like my opinion, that is really not my issue. It affects me in no way whatsoever actually.

you started a thread that said "obesity is not beautiful"

you did not say "obesity is unhealthy"

you said how you're "tired" of people saying that fat people can be beautiful.

and then went on for how many words about how unattractive fat people are.

and you're whining that we're saying you really shouldn't care about how people look but that a discussion about health could have been had.

it just wasn't the discussion you started.

communication skills are important.

Because I had just got done watching an interview on television with a woman who was claiming that fat is attractive.

 

[ChrisL]

Those women are NOT fat! Stick to the topic please. We are talking about people encouraging a "fat" body style as being a variant of normal and that they should just accept it and be fat. It is unhealthy and costs us loads of money is the bottom line. Not to mention, it is not attractive to be overweight.

Fat acceptance is what it used to be called. However, the pendulum can swing too far in either direction.

The medical community suggests appropriate weight and BMI for men and women of all sizes: height and bone structure. Healthy weight does not mean perfect weight. But, obesity is not healthy. The real issue is not about being attractive but about good health.

I agree that sometimes BMI are not always an accurate measurement. Some people are muscular and muscle is denser than fat.

I never said BMI was not an accurate measurement. I believe it is accurate when done correctly, based on bone structure and height. If the BMI measurement is done correctly, it takes into account muscle mass compared to fat.

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

 

[Judicial review]

How superficial can a person be to fat shame another? I am not attracted to "fat" women but "bone yards" can get lost as well. As long as the person is happy with themselves they will attract healthy well adjusted mates. The rest can sit home alone banging on their keyboards spewing their hate while thinking to themselves how beautiful they are.

A shame

Do you have something to add to the topic? I don't care about your personal preferences in women. That is not the issue here. The issue here is that obesity costs Americans billions of dollars in health-related costs and it is not attractive.

ChrisL.:" The issue here is that obesity ... is not attractive."

I responded to the OP, you are looking to flame your own thread. I am not interested in your bastardized version of reality.

My "version" of reality? What is that? Obesity and being overweight are problems in America right now and cost us billions of dollars, and obese people are generally not attractive. Now, what is it that you disagree with so vehemently?

I disagree. I like a nice big gigantic ass. Look at skye

hahaaaaaa....I have a small ass but ..hey if it helps the narrative ...go ahead!!!

having such a great time!!!!

Smaller than what I'm used to? Sounds intriguing.

 

[ChrisL]

Fit and healthy is attractive to me.

 

[jillian]

I agree with the premise.
Its like the way society treats transsexuals. It is NOT normal.

'Normal' is subjective. Are tribes in Africa who regard fat women as attractive. So much so they fatten up normal women before their weddings.

Forced to Be Fat

"In Mauritania, where big is beautiful and stretch marks are sexy, young girls are brutally force-fed a diet of up to 16,000 calories a day — more than four times that of a male bodybuilder — to prepare them for marriage."

And even here in the US not so long ago...

it was a dark and stormy night;, Back When Thin Wasn’t In: 8 Vintage Weight Gain...

Those women are NOT fat! Stick to the topic please. We are talking about people encouraging a "fat" body style as being a variant of normal and that they should just accept it and be fat. It is unhealthy and costs us loads of money is the bottom line. Not to mention, it is not attractive to be overweight.

no. they aren't fat. he was pointing out that those women were considered underweight and were being told to plump up.

his point was that beauty is subjective.

you not understand that?

 

[jillian]

I will say that MOST OF THE TIME fat girls are sweet and nice. Have more to prove..

*sigh* i think that's probably a stereotype.

 

[ChrisL]

I disagree. I think it is perfectly justified reaction.

you obviously agree or you wouldn't have created the rant in the o/p.

we're bringing you back to reality.

Rant? It's not a rant. It's just facts. I posted the statistics. What are you arguing about? My opinion on how fat people look? What does that matter?

No disrespect however, you stated that Obesity is not Beautiful. You made it matter.

Am I not entitled to my opinion about obesity? To me it is not beautiful at all. Like I said, if people want to be offended over my opinions, that's fine. It really makes no difference to me. If they are going to try to attack me over my opinions that is another issue entirely.

Im not attacking you over your opinion, I simply stated mine. Then you went on about health care costs. That doesn't have anything to do with looks.

I don't care what others do with their personal life, or their looks. I'd never get a tattoo, most of them are ugly to me. However, even with the added health risks of tattoos, it's up to the person and their choice.

Obesity in some instances is not a choice. But it is not my place to say either way. Live and let live.

The OP is about both things, but the more worrisome thing is the costs to the American people. Shall I post more links to support my statements? I've already said many times earlier that this is not about people who cannot help being obese for some reason. The facts are that is not why most people are overweight or obese. Most are that way because of poor diet/nutrition and lack of exercise.

 

[Coyote]

It seems odd that people seem to be focusing in on my opinion of fat people rather than the HORRIBLE statistics and realities of the situation.

Maybe it's because of the way you presented the issue.

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

What is the title of your thread?

 

[jillian]

Fit and healthy is attractive to me.

your being attracted or not attracted to someone really isn't a topic for discussion. it's a personal preference.

 

[Esmeralda]

Fat acceptance is what it used to be called. However, the pendulum can swing too far in either direction.

The medical community suggests appropriate weight and BMI for men and women of all sizes: height and bone structure. Healthy weight does not mean perfect weight. But, obesity is not healthy. The real issue is not about being attractive but about good health.

I agree that sometimes BMI are not always an accurate measurement. Some people are muscular and muscle is denser than fat.

I never said BMI was not an accurate measurement. I believe it is accurate when done correctly, based on bone structure and height. If the BMI measurement is done correctly, it takes into account muscle mass compared to fat.

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

In your opinion.

 

[Coyote]

Fat acceptance is what it used to be called. However, the pendulum can swing too far in either direction.

The medical community suggests appropriate weight and BMI for men and women of all sizes: height and bone structure. Healthy weight does not mean perfect weight. But, obesity is not healthy. The real issue is not about being attractive but about good health.

I agree that sometimes BMI are not always an accurate measurement. Some people are muscular and muscle is denser than fat.

I never said BMI was not an accurate measurement. I believe it is accurate when done correctly, based on bone structure and height. If the BMI measurement is done correctly, it takes into account muscle mass compared to fat.

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

Beauty is completely subjective.

 

[ChrisL]

I agree with the premise.
Its like the way society treats transsexuals. It is NOT normal.

'Normal' is subjective. Are tribes in Africa who regard fat women as attractive. So much so they fatten up normal women before their weddings.

Forced to Be Fat

"In Mauritania, where big is beautiful and stretch marks are sexy, young girls are brutally force-fed a diet of up to 16,000 calories a day — more than four times that of a male bodybuilder — to prepare them for marriage."

And even here in the US not so long ago...

it was a dark and stormy night;, Back When Thin Wasn’t In: 8 Vintage Weight Gain...

Those women are NOT fat! Stick to the topic please. We are talking about people encouraging a "fat" body style as being a variant of normal and that they should just accept it and be fat. It is unhealthy and costs us loads of money is the bottom line. Not to mention, it is not attractive to be overweight.

no. they aren't fat. he was pointing out that those women were considered underweight and were being told to plump up.

his point was that beauty is subjective.

you not understand that?

That is not what the topic is about. Obesity is not attractive or healthy. Now, you can argue all day about this with me, but I just find it unattractive and I know for a fact that it is unhealthy. This isn't about women being force fed, the 1950s or some other country. This is about here in America today and our problems with obesity where 1 in every 3 children is diagnosed as being overweight/obese and have accompanying health issues because of it. Also, I disagree with all of you that obesity is attractive in any way. Sorry about that. Just my opinion.

 

[ChrisL]

I agree that sometimes BMI are not always an accurate measurement. Some people are muscular and muscle is denser than fat.

I never said BMI was not an accurate measurement. I believe it is accurate when done correctly, based on bone structure and height. If the BMI measurement is done correctly, it takes into account muscle mass compared to fat.

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

Beauty is completely subjective.

And? That means I am entitled to think that obese people are unattractive. Correct?

 

[ChrisL]

I agree that sometimes BMI are not always an accurate measurement. Some people are muscular and muscle is denser than fat.

I never said BMI was not an accurate measurement. I believe it is accurate when done correctly, based on bone structure and height. If the BMI measurement is done correctly, it takes into account muscle mass compared to fat.

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

In your opinion.

Yup. I don't find it attractive at all in any way. And the facts are that it is unhealthy.

 

[Coyote]

I never said BMI was not an accurate measurement. I believe it is accurate when done correctly, based on bone structure and height. If the BMI measurement is done correctly, it takes into account muscle mass compared to fat.

Well, BMI is strictly height/weight ratio. That is why it is not always a fair measurement.

Calculate Your BMI - Standard BMI Calculator

No, you are wrong. When you calculate your BMI from an online chart like that, you are not getting correct BMI. You get only an estimate. A Hydrostatic Body Fat Test gives a more precise measurement of your good or bad weight. For example, women my height may have small, medium or large bone structure. I have medium bone structure. A woman my height who has a small bone structure will weigh less than I do, but weighing more, I wouldn't look overweight next to her because my bone structure is larger. People who carry a lot of weight in the butt and thighs are healthier than people who carry a lot of weight in their stomach and waist.

BMI is not 'inaccurate,' but it is a general ball park figure, an estimate. And obesity is not about 'beauty' as your thread title implies: it is about good or bad health.

And beauty too.

Beauty is completely subjective.

And? That means I am entitled to think that obese people are unattractive. Correct?

Of course. It also means others are entitled to think obese people are attractive.

 

[Alex.]

It seems odd that people seem to be focusing in on my opinion of fat people rather than the HORRIBLE statistics and realities of the situation.

Maybe it's because of the way you presented the issue.

How did I present it? I stated that obesity is not beautiful. Now, do you want to focus on the facts, or are you going to keep whining about MY opinion on fat people. I don't think fat is attractive. That is my opinion. Deal with it.

Exactly. It's your opinion. It's how you presented the issue - not emphasizing health, but emphasizing your disgust. If you wanted the conversation to take a different path, you should have presented it differently.

I most certainly did emphasize health. That was the MAIN point of my OP. You are the one who is turning it into a battle over my personal opinions on obesity. And you know what? I don't HAVE to think obesity is attractive. I really don't. I am free to have my own opinions and they are what they are. Like them or not.

ChrisL:" Obesity is NOT beautiful!", "people try to make it sound as if obesity is some kind of "fashion statement."

From your title and OP.