Obama's Speech - comments

[The Rabbi]

serve the interests of workers and state.

I'm not sure if I understand that as Pro Union or Pro socialist or both.

Actually it's pro National Socialist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You, the corporationist, Rab, are the Nazi. Go look it up, you fascist loon.

 

[The Rabbi]

You, the corporationist, Rab, are the Nazi. Go look it up, you fascist loon.

No, Jake. SOrry. Your card has been punched. You've been discovered. We all now know the truth: You are a plant from NAMBLA.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh, the arrow of injustice! That is the whackiest non sequitur of the day. And you just proved you are a fascist with the use of the Big Lie. You are a cur.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh, the arrow of injustice! That is the whackiest non sequitur of the day. And you just proved you are a fascist with the use of the Big Lie. You are a cur.

Go ahead and prove you are not our resident visitor from NAMBLA. We're waiting.

 

[JakeStarkey]

 

[Meister]

Why are these screwy Republicans whining for jobs and at the same time whining that government is too intrusive and they should cut the budget? Are they simply so ignorant that they don't understand that if you cut the budget, then NO NEW JOBS? Besides, they don't want those jobs that come from the government anyway.

WTF? You have got to be kidding, right?
Proof that you don't know what your talking about.
THE PRIVATE SECTOR CREATES THE JOBS, THIS GOVERNMENT STIFLES THE JOBS!
hmmmm, I hope that was plain enough for rdean to understand.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND?????

There is not a respected economist anywhere in the world that will tell you to cut spending during a recession.

You think it's all about "cut taxes" and "remove regulations". Well I got news for ya. WE ALREADY DID THAT!!!!

Why do Republicans think they know how to fix the economy when they are the ones that destroyed it.

And when it comes to rebuilding the infrastructure, yea, the jobs come from the private sector, but the contracts come from the government.

This is how it works,

-government collects taxes
-government makes contracts
-private companies bid on contracts
-government awards contracts
-banks lend money to companies
-companies hire workers
-government pays companies
-companies pay back banks
-companies pay workers
-workers pay taxes
-government collects taxes

And then "good" government starts all over again.

see how that works? It's like, "You remind me of a man, what man, the man with the power, what power......"

So what is the Republican fix? Cut taxes for rich people and remove any type of regulation so they can ship jobs overseas. THEY ALREADY DID THAT. THAT'S WHY WE ARE SCREWED. And you want to continue those policies? Failed policies?

You guys say, "That's stupid, that's dumb" when it comes to anything Democratic, and then repeat the same tired Republican polices that screwed us when Reagan was president and then royally screwed us when Bush was president. Don't you guys learn?

You still don't know what the hell your talking about, and I don't have teaching credentials to educate the mentally challenged. So your out of luck, might as well go drink some more of your kool-aid.

PS I'm not a republican, but I do know that the tax cuts were across the board, and not just for the rich. If you were smart enough to have had a job back then you would have had a tax cut also rdean....somehow, I think you may have been riding in that short bus to a special education class.

 

[Munin]

You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about. Let me help you out here.
When gov't "cuts taxes" it is simply taking in less money. Assuming they do not cut spending (a good assumption with our present gov't) that means the money to pay for the cuts must come from somewhere else. So the "middle class" enjoys a tax cut only at someone else's expense. It is a zero sum. No new spending is created.

But if you cut taxes at the margin for businesses (and workers) then they have extra incentive to produce more as they get to keep more of whatever extra money they earn. You are wrong that they will simply keep it as "profits." Companies do not keep profits. They invest the money i their own operations, they pay down their debt, they raise salaries to attract better workers, they cut the price of their product or otherwise make it more attractive, or they hand out dividends to their shareholders.. Thereby they sell more product. This is what creates jobs. Not handing out cash to people to spend. That's been a proven waste of money both under Carter and under Bush.

So this is what you re saying: As we give lower taxes to the middle class and lower classes, we will take that money from the rich (as a result you believe the rich will spend significantly less, just replacing rich spending by middle class and low class spending: "It is a zero sum"). Instead of 1 rich man buying a new expensive car/... , you will have a bigger number of people buying more and multiple cheaper products and you assume that they will have the same impact on the economy. This assumption of replacement is wrong: tax cuts for middle and lower class are more effective because they generate proportionally more consumerspending and are increasing profits of multiple different companies. And the tax increase is not really a tax increase as such: its a tax cut that has expired ... Let the Bush Tax Cuts on the Wealthy Expire


It is also logical that a tax cut to the rich does not really boost the economy: it s not like they will spend proportionally more money because they get a tax cut (they already have much money to buy products and services, the difference of a tax cut would not motivate them as much as it would motivate lower classes to consume).

Again: even a company making much profit will not create new jobs that are not needed (because there are no new potential customers). A company will simply not sell new products because it can, it will sell new products because new customers want to buy them (and are able to do so). This supply strategy is what failed GM, you can't just keep making cars for customers that do not exist just because you re able to make more cars and it is more cost effective. If there are less people buying your product, then your company (if its managers are capable and intelligent) even if its making more profits to invest will not create more jobs.

The whole point of investing is for seizing an opportunity of new potential customers that want to buy your product, you re talking about people that are not there in an economical crisis situation (because the number of consumers as a whole has decreased). You are investing in future debt when you re building a new shop for 0 new potential customers.

 

[Harry Dresden]

No, Harry, you are lying. About fifteen far right whacko reactionaries, not Republicans, have side with you. That makes me feel very good about who I am and for what I stand. I said what I supported, you said it wasn't so, but you can't prove it. A libertarian is never a Republican, nothing more than a cur compared to a wolf.

You activist agenda-driven far right reactionaries are nothing more than curs, and when you are commanded to "HEEL" and reprimanded as "BAD DOGS" you piss all over yourselves. Move along, Fido, and take the pack with you.

Here is Harry at the keyboard. http://www.coloring-crafts.com/colo.../small/courage-the-cowardly-dog-2coloring.jpg

all these guys are far right whackos............your a fraud Jake and its going to be fun telling you that in every post i see you in......when are you going to show that i am what you said i am Jake?......ill give ya some more time....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Harry, you made the claim I was a phony Republican. You have to prove it, loon, not that I have to disprove it. Clear thinking Americans have defend me, others have not jumped on me, and any "Republicans" who are attacking me are from the loony far right or are only about power. I could give a crap about them, Harry, or about you.

You want to serve America? Be part of the process, not part of the panty wetting party of "no".

Poseur. You may have some doofoids in your local Community Board fooled, but you fool no one here.

No one.

Everybody knows you're a fake

Tucking your Librulism between your thighs does not make you a Republican

there you go Jake.....a photo of you hiding your LEFT nut....

 

[The Rabbi]

You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about. Let me help you out here.
When gov't "cuts taxes" it is simply taking in less money. Assuming they do not cut spending (a good assumption with our present gov't) that means the money to pay for the cuts must come from somewhere else. So the "middle class" enjoys a tax cut only at someone else's expense. It is a zero sum. No new spending is created.

But if you cut taxes at the margin for businesses (and workers) then they have extra incentive to produce more as they get to keep more of whatever extra money they earn. You are wrong that they will simply keep it as "profits." Companies do not keep profits. They invest the money i their own operations, they pay down their debt, they raise salaries to attract better workers, they cut the price of their product or otherwise make it more attractive, or they hand out dividends to their shareholders.. Thereby they sell more product. This is what creates jobs. Not handing out cash to people to spend. That's been a proven waste of money both under Carter and under Bush.

So this is what you re saying: As we give lower taxes to the middle class and lower classes, we will take that money from the rich (as a result you believe the rich will spend significantly less, just replacing rich spending by middle class and low class spending: "It is a zero sum"). Instead of 1 rich man buying a new expensive car/... , you will have a bigger number of people buying more and multiple cheaper products and you assume that they will have the same impact on the economy. This assumption of replacement is wrong: tax cuts for middle and lower class are more effective because they generate proportionally more consumerspending and are increasing profits of multiple different companies. And the tax increase is not really a tax increase as such: its a tax cut that has expired ... Let the Bush Tax Cuts on the Wealthy Expire


It is also logical that a tax cut to the rich does not really boost the economy: it s not like they will spend proportionally more money because they get a tax cut (they already have much money to buy products and services, the difference of a tax cut would not motivate them as much as it would motivate lower classes to consume).

Again: even a company making much profit will not create new jobs that are not needed (because there are no new potential customers). A company will simply not sell new products because it can, it will sell new products because new customers want to buy them (and are able to do so). This supply strategy is what failed GM, you can't just keep making cars for customers that do not exist just because you re able to make more cars and it is more cost effective. If there are less people buying your product, then your company (if its managers are capable and intelligent) even if its making more profits to invest will not create more jobs.

The whole point of investing is for seizing an opportunity of new potential customers that want to buy your product, you re talking about people that are not there in an economical crisis situation (because the number of consumers as a whole has decreased). You are investing in future debt when you re building a new shop for 0 new potential customers.

OK. I tried explaining this to you but you still don't get it. Sorry. I blame the system. Maybe George W Bush really is at fault here.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Harry, you made the claim I was a phony Republican. You have to prove it, loon, not that I have to disprove it. Clear thinking Americans have defend me, others have not jumped on me, and any "Republicans" who are attacking me are from the loony far right or are only about power. I could give a crap about them, Harry, or about you.

You want to serve America? Be part of the process, not part of the panty wetting party of "no".

Gee I'm actually far from the far right.

I'm personally against Abortion yet support a womans choice.

I do not listen to Rush or any of the other talking heads.

I do not belong to nor do I support the far right NRA.

I vote for democrats in some local elections even as high up as Governor and one Representative (big mistake that one)

Yet I do not believe you to be a Republican. Why is that? Because all you have ever done is talk shit about other Republicans. And your nose is so far up Obamas ass that everyone can smell it.

No, I have revealed bad Republicans. Are you one, Ollie?

the only thing you have revealed dipshit is that you are a FRAUD....

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, Harry, you are lying. About fifteen far right whacko reactionaries, not Republicans, have side with you. That makes me feel very good about who I am and for what I stand. I said what I supported, you said it wasn't so, but you can't prove it. A libertarian is never a Republican, nothing more than a cur compared to a wolf.

You activist agenda-driven far right reactionaries are nothing more than curs, and when you are commanded to "HEEL" and reprimanded as "BAD DOGS" you piss all over yourselves. Move along, Fido, and take the pack with you.

http://www.coloring-crafts.com/colo.../small/courage-the-cowardly-dog-2coloring.jpg and I see that Rab posted a good picture of himself above.

Harry until you can stop dribbling (Rab and Yurt have that problem) only the loons here are not laughing at you. The rest of us are laughing at you loons. No wonder our side lost with you freaks in it.

 

[The Rabbi]

Jake, projecting what other people feel about you onto myself and others just won't help you solve your problem. Nothing will other than a new identity. Maybe your supervisors at NAMBLA can spring for a new computer account or something.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rab, you are continuing to act the rabid dog. It doan' mean a thing, lil buddy.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Harry until you can stop dribbling (Rab and Yurt have that problem) only the loons here are not laughing at you. The rest of us are laughing at you loons. No wonder our side lost with you freaks in it.

Jake until you find me one Conservative that says your one of them.....or prove what you said about me..... you aint shit dude....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Harry until you can stop dribbling (Rab and Yurt have that problem) only the loons here are not laughing at you. The rest of us are laughing at you loons. No wonder our side lost with you freaks in it.

Jake until you find me one Conservative that says your one of them.....or prove what you said about me..... you aint shit dude....

Jake is a con man, and not "Jake is a Con, man"

 

[Harry Dresden]

Harry until you can stop dribbling (Rab and Yurt have that problem) only the loons here are not laughing at you. The rest of us are laughing at you loons. No wonder our side lost with you freaks in it.

Jake until you find me one Conservative that says your one of them.....or prove what you said about me..... you aint shit dude....

Jake is a con man, and not "Jake is a Con, man"

he is a piss poor one....ill say that much....

 

[Foxfyre]

Jake until you find me one Conservative that says your one of them.....or prove what you said about me..... you aint shit dude....

Jake is a con man, and not "Jake is a Con, man"

he is a piss poor one....ill say that much....

I agree. Unless he gets good grades for obliviousness or persistence, he is not really good at fooling anybody. A good con man would be a lot better.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Harry until you can stop dribbling (Rab and Yurt have that problem) only the loons here are not laughing at you. The rest of us are laughing at you loons. No wonder our side lost with you freaks in it.

Jake until you find me one Conservative that says your one of them.....or prove what you said about me..... you aint shit dude....

And you ain't a real Republican. Ya see, pardners, you aren't fooling anyone. You are not true Republicans. You are either wannebees, Libercontrations or Neo-cons or flat-out Reactionaries. You ain't nothing, gang, and since you caused our loss in 2008, you are anathema to real GOP.