Obama's Original Vaulted Birth Certificate To Be Subpoenaed At 10am Tommorrow Morning

[pinqy]

no one can figure out how Obama obtained a Connecticut Social Security Number with a Hawaiian birth certificate.

Why couldn't he? My birth certificate and SSN are from different states. And there doesn't have to be a correlation between the two. While usually, the first three digits correspond to the state of residence (not birth, residence) that's never been hard and fast.

 

[Flagwavrusa]

no one can figure out how Obama obtained a Connecticut Social Security Number with a Hawaiian birth certificate.

Why couldn't he? My birth certificate and SSN are from different states. And there doesn't have to be a correlation between the two. While usually, the first three digits correspond to the state of residence (not birth, residence) that's never been hard and fast.

You probably got a SSN from the state that you were residing in at the time it was issued.Obama never lived in the state of Connecticut, so there is no legitimate reason why the Social Security Administration would issue him a CT SSN. The allegation is that there is some kind of fraud going on, and the question is why wouldn't Obama get a SSN using his HI birth certificate.

 

[WorldWatcher]

no one can figure out how Obama obtained a Connecticut Social Security Number with a Hawaiian birth certificate.

Why couldn't he? My birth certificate and SSN are from different states. And there doesn't have to be a correlation between the two. While usually, the first three digits correspond to the state of residence (not birth, residence) that's never been hard and fast.

Actually the first three digit corresponded to site of issuance - not birth or residence. My kids were born in Guam and we filed for them while back in the States on leave. Their numbers correspond to the SSA Office that issued them which of course was neither their place of birth nor their residence.


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[Caroljo]

no one can figure out how Obama obtained a Connecticut Social Security Number with a Hawaiian birth certificate.

Why couldn't he? My birth certificate and SSN are from different states. And there doesn't have to be a correlation between the two. While usually, the first three digits correspond to the state of residence (not birth, residence) that's never been hard and fast.

What about the fact that obama worked at a Baskin Robins in Oahu in 1975? He would have had to have a Hawaiian SS#...right???? It's been proven he NEVER lived in Connecticut, so how he got one from there nobody knows! If he'd been born in Hawaii, THEN moved to Connecticut, that might answer the questions....but he didn't!

 

[007]

no one can figure out how Obama obtained a Connecticut Social Security Number with a Hawaiian birth certificate.

Why couldn't he? My birth certificate and SSN are from different states. And there doesn't have to be a correlation between the two. While usually, the first three digits correspond to the state of residence (not birth, residence) that's never been hard and fast.

You probably got a SSN from the state that you were residing in at the time it was issued.Obama never lived in the state of Connecticut, so there is no legitimate reason why the Social Security Administration would issue him a CT SSN. The allegation is that there is some kind of fraud going on, and the question is why wouldn't Obama get a SSN using his HI birth certificate.

Indeed, and obama started his working career working at a Baskin and Robins in Hawaii when he was a teenager, and wouldn't ya know, they can't seem to find the SS# he used... hmmm... what a coincidence. They can't find anything else about where he's from either, that isn't a cheap forgery.

 

[pinqy]

Obama never lived in the state of Connecticut, so there is no legitimate reason why the Social Security Administration would issue him a CT SSN. The allegation is that there is some kind of fraud going on, and the question is why wouldn't Obama get a SSN using his HI birth certificate.

Again, BC is irrelevant to the issuing of an SSN. So where his BC is from doesn't matter. But even residence does NOT mean that the 1st three digits have to match the state of residence. They usually do, but they don't have to. There's no reason why you couldn't be issued an SSN with the first 3 of another state. It's unusual, but it happens.

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Source: Social Security Administration

And it could just have been an error: Hawaii zip codes start with a 9, Connecticut zips start with a 0. Completely plausible that someone hit the wrong button or misread and he was assigned a CT number. That's more believable than intentionally falsifying a SSN for a stete never resided in.

 

[Caroljo]

Obama never lived in the state of Connecticut, so there is no legitimate reason why the Social Security Administration would issue him a CT SSN. The allegation is that there is some kind of fraud going on, and the question is why wouldn't Obama get a SSN using his HI birth certificate.

Again, BC is irrelevant to the issuing of an SSN. So where his BC is from doesn't matter. But even residence does NOT mean that the 1st three digits have to match the state of residence. They usually do, but they don't have to. There's no reason why you couldn't be issued an SSN with the first 3 of another state. It's unusual, but it happens.

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Source: Social Security Administration

And it could just have been an error: Hawaii zip codes start with a 9, Connecticut zips start with a 0. Completely plausible that someone hit the wrong button or misread and he was assigned a CT number. That's more believable than intentionally falsifying a SSN for a stete never resided in.

Wow...you obama supporters sure can come up with alot of excuses for him! What would you say if we gave you this same lame excuse if it was a conservative/republican that was having these issues??? You say it's unusual but it happens....EVERYTHING about obama is unusual!! And why would obama have a mailing address in Connecticut while living in Hawaii?

 

[Flagwavrusa]

Obama never lived in the state of Connecticut, so there is no legitimate reason why the Social Security Administration would issue him a CT SSN. The allegation is that there is some kind of fraud going on, and the question is why wouldn't Obama get a SSN using his HI birth certificate.

Again, BC is irrelevant to the issuing of an SSN. So where his BC is from doesn't matter. But even residence does NOT mean that the 1st three digits have to match the state of residence. They usually do, but they don't have to. There's no reason why you couldn't be issued an SSN with the first 3 of another state. It's unusual, but it happens.

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Source: Social Security Administration

And it could just have been an error: Hawaii zip codes start with a 9, Connecticut zips start with a 0. Completely plausible that someone hit the wrong button or misread and he was assigned a CT number. That's more believable than intentionally falsifying a SSN for a stete never resided in.

Social security did not issue that number to Obama, so a clerical error does not explain it. The number in question was issued in the mid 1970s to an elderly woman who resided in CT. Obama began using it in 1980, presumably after the rightful owner had died.

The SSA does not re-use social security numbers:

"The Social Security Administration does not reuse social security numbers. It has issued over 450 million since the start of the program, and at a use rate of about 5.5 million per year says it has enough to last several generations without reuse or changing the number of digits.[24]" Source: Social Security Administration

The most plausible explanation is that Obama converted someone else's number to his own use, and that is a criminal act for which he should be held accountable.

 

[washamericom]

Obama never lived in the state of Connecticut, so there is no legitimate reason why the Social Security Administration would issue him a CT SSN. The allegation is that there is some kind of fraud going on, and the question is why wouldn't Obama get a SSN using his HI birth certificate.

Again, BC is irrelevant to the issuing of an SSN. So where his BC is from doesn't matter. But even residence does NOT mean that the 1st three digits have to match the state of residence. They usually do, but they don't have to. There's no reason why you couldn't be issued an SSN with the first 3 of another state. It's unusual, but it happens.

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Source: Social Security Administration

And it could just have been an error: Hawaii zip codes start with a 9, Connecticut zips start with a 0. Completely plausible that someone hit the wrong button or misread and he was assigned a CT number. That's more believable than intentionally falsifying a SSN for a stete never resided in.

wouldn't they be able to identify the mistake ? to end the growing controvesy, instead of going around sealing everything.

 

[washamericom]

Obama never lived in the state of Connecticut, so there is no legitimate reason why the Social Security Administration would issue him a CT SSN. The allegation is that there is some kind of fraud going on, and the question is why wouldn't Obama get a SSN using his HI birth certificate.

Again, BC is irrelevant to the issuing of an SSN. So where his BC is from doesn't matter. But even residence does NOT mean that the 1st three digits have to match the state of residence. They usually do, but they don't have to. There's no reason why you couldn't be issued an SSN with the first 3 of another state. It's unusual, but it happens.

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Source: Social Security Administration

And it could just have been an error: Hawaii zip codes start with a 9, Connecticut zips start with a 0. Completely plausible that someone hit the wrong button or misread and he was assigned a CT number. That's more believable than intentionally falsifying a SSN for a stete never resided in.

Wow...you obama supporters sure can come up with alot of excuses for him! What would you say if we gave you this same lame excuse if it was a conservative/republican that was having these issues??? You say it's unusual but it happens....EVERYTHING about obama is unusual!! And why would obama have a mailing address in Connecticut while living in Hawaii?

you're right cj

 

[geauxtohell]

Update on Birth Certificate court case

As promised, the lawyer who filed suit to see the original birth certificate showed up at the HI Department of Health yesterday. Predictably, she was handed a note from the HI Attorney General explaining that the records are sealed and by law cannot be released to the public. Her argument that Obama already made the document public, and thereby waived his right to privacy, fell on deaf ears.

So, lawyer Tait marched down to the federal district court and filed a motion to have the head of the Department of Health show up in court with the original birth certificate on September 14th to explain why the court should not order the document to be disclosed.

The DOH will argue that the information is private, the lawyer will offer affidavits from experts averring that the certificate released by Obama to the public is fake. The lawyer is demanding to see the original because no one can figure out how Obama obtained a Connecticut Social Security Number with a Hawaiian birth certificate. The lawyer will also reasonably argue that there is no right to privacy over a document that has been issue to the public, and that privacy cannot be used as an excuse to avoid disclosing the document pursuant to a subpoana for evidence in her Freedom of Information Act case.

Hopefully the judge in the case will compel the state to obey.

LMAO. Orly Taitz is handling this? I predict that this will go well..........

So, let me get this straight, she lost her motion and is now going to harass the DOH over the matter?

How long until she gets another fine? She's a shitty lawyer.

 

[pinqy]

Social security did not issue that number to Obama, so a clerical error does not explain it.

Oh? and your evidence is what?

The number in question was issued in the mid 1970s to an elderly woman who resided in CT. Obama began using it in 1980, presumably after the rightful owner had died.

It's an elderly woman now? There was a (proven false) claim that it was a man born in 1890. What was the woman's name?

The most plausible explanation is that Obama converted someone else's number to his own use, and that is a criminal act for which he should be held accountable.

Why on earth is that the most plausible?

 

[Modbert]

So where is it?

 

[Flagwavrusa]

Update on Birth Certificate court case

As promised, the lawyer who filed suit to see the original birth certificate showed up at the HI Department of Health yesterday. Predictably, she was handed a note from the HI Attorney General explaining that the records are sealed and by law cannot be released to the public. Her argument that Obama already made the document public, and thereby waived his right to privacy, fell on deaf ears.

So, lawyer Tait marched down to the federal district court and filed a motion to have the head of the Department of Health show up in court with the original birth certificate on September 14th to explain why the court should not order the document to be disclosed.

The DOH will argue that the information is private, the lawyer will offer affidavits from experts averring that the certificate released by Obama to the public is fake. The lawyer is demanding to see the original because no one can figure out how Obama obtained a Connecticut Social Security Number with a Hawaiian birth certificate. The lawyer will also reasonably argue that there is no right to privacy over a document that has been issue to the public, and that privacy cannot be used as an excuse to avoid disclosing the document pursuant to a subpoana for evidence in her Freedom of Information Act case.

Hopefully the judge in the case will compel the state to obey.

LMAO. Orly Taitz is handling this? I predict that this will go well..........

So, let me get this straight, she lost her motion and is now going to harass the DOH over the matter?

How long until she gets another fine? She's a shitty lawyer.

No, she was not denied, she served a subpoena on the DOH which they refused to honor.

She must be doing something right, no other lawyer has gotten this far in the quest to view the original certificate. There is a hearing in the matter on the court docket scheduled for 10AM on Sep 14th before judge Puglosi in the Hawaii federal district court.

Why would the court fine her, for what? She is not doing anything wrong.

 

[Flagwavrusa]

Social security did not issue that number to Obama, so a clerical error does not explain it.

Oh? and your evidence is what?

The number in question was issued in the mid 1970s to an elderly woman who resided in CT. Obama began using it in 1980, presumably after the rightful owner had died.

It's an elderly woman now? There was a (proven false) claim that it was a man born in 1890. What was the woman's name?

The most plausible explanation is that Obama converted someone else's number to his own use, and that is a criminal act for which he should be held accountable.

Why on earth is that the most plausible?

You say it was proven false? Where is your proof of that the SSA issued this number to Obama? A detective hired by Taitz says different.

 

[pinqy]

Social security did not issue that number to Obama, so a clerical error does not explain it.

Oh? and your evidence is what?


It's an elderly woman now? There was a (proven false) claim that it was a man born in 1890. What was the woman's name?

The most plausible explanation is that Obama converted someone else's number to his own use, and that is a criminal act for which he should be held accountable.

Why on earth is that the most plausible?

You say it was proven false?

The claim that 042-68-4425 was issued to one Jean Paul Ludwig (born 1890) has been proven false, yes. That was a common claim on the internet (though I do not believe Taitz ever made that particular claim). Now you're saying it was issued to an elderly woman. What was her name?

Where is your proof of that the SSA issued this number to Obama? A detective hired by Taitz says different.

I browsed through Taitz's site and found her questioning the ssn, and claiming she had evidence from the SSA that they never issued the number to Obama, but I cannot find any such letter or evidence on her site.

ETA: ok, I found a failed computer search from the SSN Verification Service. A site that explicitly states that a failure to match name and ssn etc is not by itself grounds for adverse action against an employee (the main purpose of the site).

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Birthers are an embarrassment to the entire nation. Anyone who thinks our national security folks would allow an illegal alien, Muslim, Kenyan secret agent within a mile of the "nuclear football" much less into the Oval Office doesn't understand the system.

Besides that, if there was any dirt on Obama, the Hillary Clinton campaign would have been the first to toss it out into the open just as Republicans are doing with Bachmann's background. Politicians are very fratricidal when it comes to elections.

thats what the Obama apologists afraid of the truth always come back with.the truth scares you so much you could care less that forgery experts have concluded its a forgery or that his own grandmother swore he was born in kenya.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Birthers are an embarrassment to the entire nation. Anyone who thinks our national security folks would allow an illegal alien, Muslim, Kenyan secret agent within a mile of the "nuclear football" much less into the Oval Office doesn't understand the system.

Besides that, if there was any dirt on Obama, the Hillary Clinton campaign would have been the first to toss it out into the open just as Republicans are doing with Bachmann's background. Politicians are very fratricidal when it comes to elections.

brilliant misdirection i will concede. imagine obama cosponsered the bill so mccain could be eligible. do you think the national security folks would allow nixon to send out the plummers then cover it up, then keep carrying the football for another two years... whoops...

Logic like that always escapes the Obama apologists minds.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

kindly keep this bullshit where it belongs

your mom doesn't work here, corky

So now a federal subpoena being served is considered a conspiracy in your mind. Hmmm, did you know that a Emu is considered the dumbest bird in the world? Google it.

 

[BDBoop]

"And in new news, the Redundant Department of Redundancy verified that "AM" and "morning" still mean the same thing."