Obama's mentor

[LoneLaugher]

laugher

this is what I see when you post

"This message is hidden because LoneLaugher is on your ignore list."

go away, you are wasting space.

Only wusses use the 'ignore' list.

No, I just choose not be deal with partisan idiots and lying fools. Such posters are a waste of my time.

I'm guessing that your time isn't all that valuable. Your ignore list is your way of avoiding being humiliated. It doesn't work...as I have humiliated you for pages here.

 

[Skylar]

same message, different words. If you libs can't see that then there is nothing more to be said.

Um, no. Actually, those two lists have nothing to do with each other. Far from being the same list 'restated', there's not a single point that is even similar between them.

Alas, words have meanings. And no matter how hard you close your eyes, this;

Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.

and this;

Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

Don't mean the same thing. Your argument is literally that we ignore the meaning of words and pretend that they mean whatever you imagine.

Nope.

 

[LeftofLeft]

This has been posted before, but lest we forget:




Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.



Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.



Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago Spouse: Irene Alinsky

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals



Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.





How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:



There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.



1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.



2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.



3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.



4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.



5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)



6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.



7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.



8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.



Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?



Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

Nice - this is NOT what he wrote!

Look...


How to Create a Social State


Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

The second rule is: Never go outside the experience of your people. When an action is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

The third rule is: Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.

The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.

The sixth rule is: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.

The seventh rule: A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time, after which it becomes a ritualistic commitment, like going to church on Sunday mornings.

The eighth rule: Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.

The ninth rule: The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

The tenth rule: The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.

The eleventh rule is: If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative.

The twelfth rule: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. You cannot risk being trapped by the enemy in his sudden agreement with your demand and saying "You're right — we don't know what to do about this issue. Now you tell us."

The thirteenth rule: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State


Jeeez, you assholes are ******* gullible! Still looking for a way to get Glen Beck to offer you "end of the world hide-out swamp land!"


Origins: Saul Alinsky was the Chicago-born archaeology major who, in the midst of the Great Depression, dropped out of graduate school and became involved first with the labor movement and then with community organizing. It was in the latter field that he made his mark, working from the late 1930s through the early 1970s as a community organizer — first in poor areas of Chicago, and later in various cities across the U.S. — seeking (often through unconventional means) to "turn scattered, voiceless discontent into a united protest." Along the way he authored the books Reveille for Radicals and Rules for Radicals to provide "counsel to young radicals on how to effect constructive social change," the latter of which opened with the following explanation of its purpose:
What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away.
Critics of President Barack Obama (who also worked as a community organizer in Chicago prior to embarking on his political career) have often linked his name with that of Saul Alinsky, sometimes in ways that suggest the two men knew each other and/or worked together. However, they never met: Alinsky died of a heart attack in 1972, when Barack

Obama was but a ten-year-old child living in Hawaii. (Another prominent Democrat, former senator and secretary of state Hillary Clinton, did write her senior thesis on the topic of "An Analysis of the Alinsky Model" while she was a student at Wellesley College in 1969.)

The above-quoted list of steps for "How to create a social state," circulated in January 2014, is another example of a political linking of the names of Saul Alinsky and Barack Obama. It's not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, though, and to those familiar with his background it doesn't even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve). This piece is simply a modern variant of the decades-old, apocryphal Communist Rules for Revolution piece which was originally passed along without attribution until Alinsky's name became attached to it (presumably because someone out there thought it sounded like something Alinsky might have written).


Read more at snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

same message, different words. If you libs can't see that then there is nothing more to be said.

The sad thing is that Alinsky's tactics work.

Should both parties implement them? Would that make the USA a better society?

Does the end always justify the means?

Is a win by cheating a good win?

If you want to have power, these are the tactics you take. If you want to lead and serve, ask the People for the opportunity and don't be afraid of accountability. The only Accountability Alinsky was intersected in was holding everyone else accountable.

 

[konradv]

laugher

this is what I see when you post

"This message is hidden because LoneLaugher is on your ignore list."

go away, you are wasting space.

Only wusses use the 'ignore' list.

No, I just choose not be deal with partisan idiots and lying fools. Such posters are a waste of my time.

People who lie repeatedly such as yourself are a waste of time too, but one has to make sure your lies are challenged.

 

[Redfish]

Only wusses use the 'ignore' list.

No, I just choose not be deal with partisan idiots and lying fools. Such posters are a waste of my time.

People who lie repeatedly such as yourself are a waste of time too, but one has to make sure your lies are challenged.

The OP is accurate, disparage it if it makes you feel good. But the fact is that obama is implementing the Alinsky strategy as described in the OP.

Every point in the OP is happening today.

Are you claiming that those strategies are Obama's and not Alinsky's ?

 

[rightwinger]

This has been posted before, but lest we forget:




Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.



Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.



Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago Spouse: Irene Alinsky

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals



Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.





How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:



There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.



1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.



2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.



3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.



4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.



5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)



6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.



7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.



8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.



Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?



Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

You want a response on this nonsense?

How about this you ******* retard?

snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

 

[Pete7469]

Another mentor of the moonbat messiah was Frank Marshal Davis. A noteworthy communist agitator with an uncanny resemblance to the bastard subhuman mongrel.

Makes me wonder if there isn't a reason why the moonbat messiah makes such efforts to conceal so much of his past.

 

[Redfish]

This has been posted before, but lest we forget:




Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.



Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.



Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago Spouse: Irene Alinsky

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals



Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.





How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:



There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.



1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.



2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.



3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.



4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.



5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)



6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.



7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.



8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.



Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?



Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

You want a response on this nonsense?

How about this you ******* retard?

snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

snopes has been proven to be a left wing site that supports liberal causes and is a major obama supporter.

Sorry, RW, they are not an unbiased source of information.

To not realize that makes you the ******* retard in this discussion, but we already knew that.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This has been posted before, but lest we forget:




Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.



Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.



Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago Spouse: Irene Alinsky

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals



Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.





How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:



There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.



1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.



2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.



3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.



4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.



5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)



6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.



7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.



8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.



Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?



Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

You want a response on this nonsense?

How about this you ******* retard?

snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

snopes has been proven to be a left wing site that supports liberal causes and is a major obama supporter.

Sorry, RW, they are not an unbiased source of information.

To not realize that makes you the ******* retard in this discussion, but we already knew that.

Come on, superstar! Keep it coming.

 

[Redfish]

for you snopes lovers---------------http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2010/08/12/snopes-com-leans-left/

 

[BlindBoo]

Love it when at the Fish Fry, the fish gets caught pushing more lies about President Obama, then doubles down on the stupid.

Blames snopes.

Hahahahaha. It's okay to eat.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXap5hZaqZ8]Nirvana - Something in the way [ lyrics ] - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Lakhota]

Obama's mentor

I guess you would prefer Ayn Rand...

 

[Seawytch]

your lack of reading comprehension is noted. The OP is a summary of the principles from his book and teachings.

Lying sack of shit. The OP is in no way related to anything in his book or his "teachings". You are simply trying to lie to people who are MUCH smarter than you. Like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. You ought to be so ashamed that you leave and never return.

Why aren't these people backing up their claims with real facts instead of their usual MO of "ah duh you have no ah duh der reading comprehension" ?

That's rhetorical, right?

 

[Seawytch]

Love it when at the Fish Fry, the fish gets caught pushing more lies about President Obama, then doubles down on the stupid.

Blames snopes.

Hahahahaha. It's okay to eat.....

Nirvana - Something in the way [ lyrics ] - YouTube

Not blame, dismissed as not credible.

People who source WND and Glen Beck, but dismiss Snopes. You can't make this shit up.

 

[Antares]

Also, ******* moron, rules #2 and #8 are entirely opposed to each other.

You aren't real bright are you?

 

[BlindBoo]

Love it when at the Fish Fry, the fish gets caught pushing more lies about President Obama, then doubles down on the stupid.

Blames snopes.

Hahahahaha. It's okay to eat.....

Nirvana - Something in the way [ lyrics ] - YouTube

Not blame, dismissed as not credible.

People who source WND and Glen Beck, but dismiss Snopes. You can't make this shit up.

Correction accepted.

 

[rightwinger]

This has been posted before, but lest we forget:




Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.



Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.



Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago Spouse: Irene Alinsky

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals



Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.





How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:



There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.



1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.



2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.



3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.



4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.



5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)



6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.



7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.



8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.



Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?



Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

You want a response on this nonsense?

How about this you ******* retard?

snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

snopes has been proven to be a left wing site that supports liberal causes and is a major obama supporter.

Sorry, RW, they are not an unbiased source of information.

To not realize that makes you the ******* retard in this discussion, but we already knew that.

Well here are your options:

1. Be a man and admit you are a gullible retard to be fooled by simplistic rightwing propaganda and apologize for this thread

2. Provide credible sources to prove snopes is wrong

3. Run away

Which is it?

 

[Impenitent]

This has been posted before, but lest we forget:




Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.



Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.



Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals.


Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA

Education: University of Chicago Spouse: Irene Alinsky

Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals



Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?

All eight rules are currently in play.





How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:



There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.



1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people.



2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.



3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.



4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.



5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income)



6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.



7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.



8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.



Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?



Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

The 8 levels are a complete fabrication and those of you who thanked the post are low level idiots comparable to birther trash. Will you guys fall for anything?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Not sure Obama has much patience for studying anything tbh. But certainly, his puppet masters are keenly aware of the likes of Alinsky and others.

 

[rightwinger]

You want a response on this nonsense?

How about this you ******* retard?

snopes.com: Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State

snopes has been proven to be a left wing site that supports liberal causes and is a major obama supporter.

Sorry, RW, they are not an unbiased source of information.

To not realize that makes you the ******* retard in this discussion, but we already knew that.

Well here are your options:

1. Be a man and admit you are a gullible retard to be fooled by simplistic rightwing propaganda and apologize for this thread

2. Provide credible sources to prove snopes is wrong

3. Run away

Which is it?

Looks like he decided on option 3