Obamacare costs

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Everyone benefits from slowing the growth of Medicare spending. Everyone benefits from starting to fix the broken incentives that compromise quality and safety and encourage ever-greater spending. Everyone benefits from investments in public health and prevention. Everyone benefits when broken markets are repaired.

Don't miss the forest for the trees.

blah blah blah....but here's exactly what to do:

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But then Ed is delusional. He thinks he is a health care expert. Pore guy.

typical liberal without IQ for substance.

To reduce costs in health care 60% all you'd do is give each person a voucher for $3600 and require all providers to post prices in a comparative way. This is called capitalism. Again, its called Republican capitalism.[/

 

[boedicca]

OK, a few things I know

30 hours = FTE so @ $1.50/hr will be saved by keeping hours under 30 hours

that means a lot of workers will take about a $8K hit and it will be among those least able to afford it. but what will that do to state and local taxes? Migration patterns? Anyone got a clue?

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

More part time workers will cause unemployment to go down - and the Obama Administration will throw more food stamps at them to buy votes.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

but our health care provider generally function within an environment of free competitive enterprises.

profound and typical liberal ignorance!! Providers do not post comparative prices and it is illegal for insurance companies to compete. If its illegal to compete its not "free competitive." Again, the typical liberal ignorance is profound.

 

[Greenbeard]

To reduce costs in health care 60% all you'd do is give each person a voucher for $3600 and require all providers to post prices in a comparative way. This is called capitalism. Again, its called Republican capitalism.

Which Republican is suggesting that?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

To reduce costs in health care 60% all you'd do is give each person a voucher for $3600 and require all providers to post prices in a comparative way. This is called capitalism. Again, its called Republican capitalism.

Which Republican is suggesting that?

they all want to move toward capitalism and say so to the degree their constituencies will allow.

 

[Greenbeard]

To reduce costs in health care 60% all you'd do is give each person a voucher for $3600 and require all providers to post prices in a comparative way. This is called capitalism. Again, its called Republican capitalism.

Which Republican is suggesting that?

they all want to move toward capitalism and say so to the degree their constituencies will allow.

So...none?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Which Republican is suggesting that?

they all want to move toward capitalism and say so to the degree their constituencies will allow.

So...none?

too stupid!!! but perfectly liberal!! Try William Buckley Jr. or Milton Friedman or Ron Paul's web site!!!

"There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business."

 

[Greenbeard]

Can you just skip to the part where he advocates giving everyone a $3,600 voucher and mandating pricing transparency? That would save us all some time.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Can you just skip to the part where he advocates giving everyone a $3,600 voucher and mandating pricing transparency? That would save us all some time.

dear, the Ron Paul site is close enough isn't it??? What exactly is your problem with it????????????? Why be so afraid to say?????

 

[Greenbeard]

Can you just skip to the part where he advocates giving everyone a $3,600 voucher and mandating pricing transparency? That would save us all some time.

dear, the Ron Paul site is close enough isn't it???

In that I can't find him advocating either of those policies on it, no. Are there no Republicans who favor "Republican capitalism"?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Can you just skip to the part where he advocates giving everyone a $3,600 voucher and mandating pricing transparency? That would save us all some time.

dear, the Ron Paul site is close enough isn't it???

In that I can't find him advocating either of those policies on it, no. Are there no Republicans who favor "Republican capitalism"?

As I said Ron Paul, William Buckley, MIlton Friedman: "Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business."

 

[usmcstinger]

The Affordable Health Care Act is an oxymoron.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Affordable Health Care Act is an oxymoron.

well at least it makes it very affordable for the 35 million Barry is putting on Medicaid.

It has typical dumb socialist incentives like a universal penalty for hospital re-admissions. The problem is some hospitals won't then take patients who are likely to be re-admitted or will spend a ton on follow up care to prevent re-admissions.

 

[Greenbeard]

It has typical dumb socialist incentives like a universal penalty for hospital re-admissions. The problem is some hospitals won't then take patients who are likely to be re-admitted or will spend a ton on follow up care to prevent re-admissions.

Good news. Starting this year, for the very first time Medicare is going to start paying primary care physicians specifically to coordinate care for beneficiaries in the days after a hospital discharge with an eye toward keeping them from needing a readmission. While hospitals are starting to do good work to make sure people are getting the services they need in the community after discharge, they're not in this alone. Primary care rightfully should be at the center of that.

Much of the increase in the physician fee schedule reimbursement [in 2013] will come from new added payments for coordinating a patient's care in the 30 days following a hospital or skilled nursing facility stay. Under the rule, providers will for the first time receive a separate payment to help a patient transition back to the community following a discharge.

Paying to make sure they get the care they need to avoid a preventable hospital readmission. They're healthier, it's cheaper, everybody wins.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It has typical dumb socialist incentives like a universal penalty for hospital re-admissions. The problem is some hospitals won't then take patients who are likely to be re-admitted or will spend a ton on follow up care to prevent re-admissions.

Good news. Starting this year, for the very first time Medicare is going to start paying primary care physicians specifically to coordinate care for beneficiaries in the days after a hospital discharge with an eye toward keeping them from needing a readmission. While hospitals are starting to do good work to make sure people are getting the services they need in the community after discharge, they're not in this alone. Primary care rightfully should be at the center of that.

Much of the increase in the physician fee schedule reimbursement [in 2013] will come from new added payments for coordinating a patient's care in the 30 days following a hospital or skilled nursing facility stay. Under the rule, providers will for the first time receive a separate payment to help a patient transition back to the community following a discharge.

Paying to make sure they get the care they need to avoid a preventable hospital readmission. They're healthier, it's cheaper, everybody wins.

It has typical dumb socialist incentives like a universal penalty for hospital re-admissions.

Notice that as a typical liberal you lacked the IQ to address the subject????

 

[Greenbeard]

It has typical dumb socialist incentives like a universal penalty for hospital re-admissions. The problem is some hospitals won't then take patients who are likely to be re-admitted or will spend a ton on follow up care to prevent re-admissions.

Good news. Starting this year, for the very first time Medicare is going to start paying primary care physicians specifically to coordinate care for beneficiaries in the days after a hospital discharge with an eye toward keeping them from needing a readmission. While hospitals are starting to do good work to make sure people are getting the services they need in the community after discharge, they're not in this alone. Primary care rightfully should be at the center of that.

Much of the increase in the physician fee schedule reimbursement [in 2013] will come from new added payments for coordinating a patient's care in the 30 days following a hospital or skilled nursing facility stay. Under the rule, providers will for the first time receive a separate payment to help a patient transition back to the community following a discharge.

Paying to make sure they get the care they need to avoid a preventable hospital readmission. They're healthier, it's cheaper, everybody wins.

It has typical dumb socialist incentives like a universal penalty for hospital re-admissions.

I assume "it" is the ACA which I wasn't talking about there but okay. Anyone it doesnt have a "universal penalty" (assuming that means something) for readmissions, as not every Medicare readmission results in some kind of penalty. Not even every readmission related to the three conditions they're looking at.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Good news. Starting this year, for the very first time Medicare is going to start paying primary care physicians specifically to coordinate care for beneficiaries in the days after a hospital discharge with an eye toward keeping them from needing a readmission. While hospitals are starting to do good work to make sure people are getting the services they need in the community after discharge, they're not in this alone. Primary care rightfully should be at the center of that.



Paying to make sure they get the care they need to avoid a preventable hospital readmission. They're healthier, it's cheaper, everybody wins.

It has typical dumb socialist incentives like a universal penalty for hospital re-admissions.

I assume "it" is the ACA which I wasn't talking about there but okay. Anyone it doesnt have a "universal penalty" (assuming that means something) for readmissions, as not every Medicare readmission results in some kind of penalty. Not even every readmission related to the three conditions they're looking at.

once again:
"It has typical dumb socialist incentives"

Notice that as a liberal you lacked the IQ to identify the subject??

 

[Supposn]

Good news. Starting this year, for the very first time Medicare is going to start paying primary care physicians specifically to coordinate care for beneficiaries in the days after a hospital discharge with an eye toward keeping them from needing a readmission. While hospitals are starting to do good work to make sure people are getting the services they need in the community after discharge, they're not in this alone. Primary care rightfully should be at the center of that.

Paying to make sure they get the care they need to avoid a preventable hospital readmission. They're healthier, it's cheaper, everybody wins.

It has typical dumb socialist incentives like a universal penalty for hospital re-admissions.

I assume "it" is the ACA which I wasn't talking about there but okay. Anyone it doesnt have a "universal penalty" (assuming that means something) for readmissions, as not every Medicare readmission results in some kind of penalty. Not even every readmission related to the three conditions they're looking at.

Edward Baiamonte, Greenbeard’s response to your messages is correct.

I regret you don’t share our advocacy for both individual personal and/or organizations’ accepting their duty to act responsibly.

The provisions of the Affordable Care Act, (correctly described as the “Re-admissions Reduction Program”), doe not penalize hospitals for readmitting patients. It does penalize those practicing policies that result in statistically clear increased readmissions. It’s based upon the premise that hospitals should not derive additional profits due treating their patients poorly, or releasing patients too early or not practicing or making a reasonable effort to assure or provide for their patients’ post hospitalization rehabilitation; (I.e., it penalizes bad hospitals).

You pay lip service to responsibility as if it’s an attribute exclusive to conservatives. You, as do many who claim to be conservatives, sometimes promote waste, poverty and misery when you advocate or encourage false financial gains due to irresponsible practices. Within those cases you are not acting as a conservative.

Respectfully (to all conservatives), Supposn

Refer to:
Readmissions Reduction Program | Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It does penalize those practicing policies that result in statistically clear increased readmissions.

notice that as a liberal you lack the IQ to respond to the central claim that the ACA provides only typical socialist incentives to limit hospital readmissions.

As you try to grasp the subject please recall that socialism very slowly killed perhaps 75 million in Red China and Russia with socialist incentives.

 

[Supposn]

............. I do not believe that prior to 2014 very many states will decide not to administer their states’ insurance exchanges or expand their Medicaid.
Direct federal administration of states’ insurance exchanges will induce sooner rather than later transformation to universal federal healthcare insurance. Not availing themselves of the generous federal benefits offered for expanding Medicaid will only serve to increase those states’ healthcare costs and provide their citizens with lesser healthcare.

Respectfully, Supposn

I fully expected most, (if not all red states) to fold; but I didn’t expect them to start folding so soon.

Refer to:
In surprise move, Arizona?s GOP governor pushes for Medicaid expansion under health care law - The Washington Post

Respectfully, Supposn