Obamacare causes prices to skyrocket

[Skull Pilot]

So the hike doubled and you think that is slowing it down?

And it goes up every year but like I said this is the single highest increase in 10 years

Single biggest hike - gotcha... now about my question re. when was the last time you had an increase...

Single points are nice but most useful to us would be to consider average annual growth.

I just told you that it goes up every year

now most people with a brain would realize that meant last year

 

[AntonToo]

So the hike doubled and you think that is slowing it down?

And it goes up every year but like I said this is the single highest increase in 10 years

Single biggest hike - gotcha... now about my question re. when was the last time you had an increase...

Single points are nice but most useful to us would be to consider average annual growth.

I just told you that it goes up every year

now most people with a brain would realize that meant last year

A little nasty aren't we?

So can you say if your since-Obamacare-passed average is above or below 5 year increases before that?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

In whose world do you get to determine what is de facto ? That is certainly not consistent.
Yes, you keep bleating about how people "gained" insurance. Does everyone that had it six years ago have it now. No. I know people who lost coverage they had and can't afford to replace it. That is not in dispute.

But, as your graph shows, more people can walk around with insurance cards than had them before.

Many, again, some I know, have been unable to do anything with it...hence, some had dropped it prefering to pay the fine.

As CATO stated so well: "Obamacare made inexpensive insurance illegal."

Ok time to go to kinder garden level explanations of how the world works:

If I say to you - I lost money in Vegas, while my losses were $100 at one table and my wins were $500 at another, I would in fact be lying. Even though I did lose, I also won and we DE FACTO take statements to mean overall, net total.

You are lying by omitting people that gained insurance, just as I would be lying if I omitted $500 winnings in my description of what happened in Vegas.

You need to find a better kindergartner to explain it to you.

I've not argued that less people have insurance. You can see that in my post. Hopefully, your 6 year old companion can point it out.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Obamacare advisor thinks voters are 'stupid' (Opinion) - CNN.com

The guy who thinks liberal voters are 'stupid'

Conservatives knew that socialist medicine is a failure yet the liberal passed it anyway. Boy were you liberals "stupid".

Remember what Obama said.

Sweep that one under the rug.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So the hike doubled and you think that is slowing it down?

And it goes up every year but like I said this is the single highest increase in 10 years

Single biggest hike - gotcha... now about my question re. when was the last time you had an increase...

Single points are nice but most useful to us would be to consider average annual growth.

I just told you that it goes up every year

now most people with a brain would realize that meant last year

A little nasty aren't we?

So can you say if your since-Obamacare-passed average is above or below 5 year increases before that?

above

it's been 7 or 8% annually this year it's 14

I really don't know how you can defend Obammycare because it certainly is not holding prices down and that's because people now have to pay for all kinds of extra crap they may not want or need

My policy covers eye and dental for kids up to the age of 12. I don't have kids. My policy covers ob GYN I am not a female. My policy covers drug and alcohol rehab. I'm not a drunk or an addict etc

 

[Sun Devil 92]

What's even more funny is that you call Obamacare "real improvement".

I knew there was an issue starting in the early 90's and have followed the conversation for over 20 years.

Obamacare is a bust.

This is not real? Not improvement?

Look, I don't care what you politicos believe, but just to give you heads up - when you deny the obvious and say blatantly false things you just look like mindless rightwing tools.

Please pull you head out of your rear end.

That number is meaningless if the insurance is useless.

What part of that don't you understand ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So the hike doubled and you think that is slowing it down?

And it goes up every year but like I said this is the single highest increase in 10 years

Single biggest hike - gotcha... now about my question re. when was the last time you had an increase...

Single points are nice but most useful to us would be to consider average annual growth.

I just told you that it goes up every year

now most people with a brain would realize that meant last year

A little nasty aren't we?

So can you say if your since-Obamacare-passed average is above or below 5 year increases before that?

above

it's been 7 or 8% annually this year it's 14

I really don't know how you can defend Obammycare because it certainly is not holding prices down and that's because people now have to pay for all kinds of extra crap they may not want or need

My policy covers eye and dental for kids up to the age of 12. I don't have kids. My policy covers ob GYN I am not a female. My policy covers drug and alcohol rehab. I'm not a drunk or an addict etc

Yes, but you are helping to enable those addicts who want to so they can have their meth and get high too.

 

[P@triot]

What an absurd statement. Obamacare absolutely caused people to lose insurance. Millions received notifications that their policies were cancelled because of it. Just because they went out and got another policy (for 4x's the damn cost and half the coverage) doesn't mean they didn't lose their insurance. That's as stupid as saying if someone stole your automobile and you went out to purchase another one so you could get to work, then you didn't really have your automobile stolen.

I can bring to the fact based well, I can't make you drink out of it.

Speaking of the "fact-based well"....

Blue Cross of Minnesota Diminishes Under Obamacare

 

[AntonToo]

above

it's been 7 or 8% annually this year it's 14

I really don't know how you can defend Obammycare because it certainly is not holding prices down and that's because people now have to pay for all kinds of extra crap they may not want or need

My policy covers eye and dental for kids up to the age of 12. I don't have kids. My policy covers ob GYN I am not a female. My policy covers drug and alcohol rehab. I'm not a drunk or an addict etc

Your experience is noted but should it outweigh the general statistics across the country that show overall decrease in price growth?

As far as coverage mandates: It's nice that you don't have kids or substance problems but many do. You also don't have cancer maybe that coverage should be optional too?

 

[AntonToo]

Yes, but you are helping to enable those addicts who want to so they can have their meth and get high too.

Are you seriously against drug addiction treatment coverage???

 

[Skull Pilot]

above

it's been 7 or 8% annually this year it's 14

I really don't know how you can defend Obammycare because it certainly is not holding prices down and that's because people now have to pay for all kinds of extra crap they may not want or need

My policy covers eye and dental for kids up to the age of 12. I don't have kids. My policy covers ob GYN I am not a female. My policy covers drug and alcohol rehab. I'm not a drunk or an addict etc

Your experience is noted but should it outweigh the general statistics across the country that show overall decrease in price growth?

As far as coverage mandates: It's nice that you don't have kids or substance problems but many do. You also don't have cancer maybe that coverage should be optional too?

Yeah and if they do they can buy a policy that covers that shit I should not be forced to pay for shit I do not need

 

[P@triot]

"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." - Robert Heinlein

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Yes, but you are helping to enable those addicts who want to so they can have their meth and get high too.

Are you seriously against drug addiction treatment coverage???

As a matter of fact I am against drug addiction treatment, also HIV treatment. Why should I pay for some fucktard who decided to go against the natural order of life. I wasn't the one who decided to put my penis up Uranus, or poke a small hole in my arm and inject black tar(heroin) to FEEL better. If someone wants to destroy themselves, then they should take the punishment for their actions, that is CHOICE. You know where women go and execute their babies in the womb or out, and We the People have to pay for that. God you stupid idiots, just keep on taking from those that work, give it to those who don't, then call it liberal compassion. When the money runs out are you willing to eat Dog, till those are no longer available?

 

[AntonToo]

As a matter of fact I am against drug addiction treatment, also HIV treatment. Why should I pay for some fucktard who decided to go against the natural order of life.

Substance Addictions and STDs is what happens to people in this world, it is VERY natural order of life, unless again, you live out on the mars and I hope you don't get slapped with reality one day when your kid comes home with one of these. Though thankfully your insurance will help your family to deal with this without going bankrupt.

These are serious illnesses and people, not just rich people, need to have access to medical treatment for them.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

As a matter of fact I am against drug addiction treatment, also HIV treatment. Why should I pay for some fucktard who decided to go against the natural order of life.

Substance Addictions and STDs is what happens to people in this world, it is VERY natural order of life, unless again, you live out on the mars and are completely disconnected from the going ons on planet earth. These are serious illnesses and people, not just rich people, need to have access to medical treatment for them.

So instead of personal responsibility for their own actions, everyone else has to pony up for their diseases, while we who don't fudge pack, or needle push, pay more yet get less coverage. Geez, your liberal compassion is real nice. Once again, when the money is all gone, because everyone will be broke, like in Venezuela, are you willing to eat DOG, like Obama did while he was growing up?

 

[AntonToo]

So instead of personal responsibility for their own actions, everyone else has to pony up for their diseases, while we who don't fudge pack, or needle push, pay more yet get less coverage. Geez, your liberal compassion is real nice. Once again, when the money is all gone, because everyone will be broke, like in Venezuela, are you willing to eat DOG, like Obama did while he was growing up?

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Our money will be gone because we take care of people's healthcare needs without finger pointing and playing judge and jury? Nonsense.

And where does your aproach take us?
Should we deny coverage if you break a leg skiing? Because you are fat? Because you neglected to properly hydrate or get that skin bump checked out on time?

And what happens when your kid picks up a habit? Are you ready to mortgage the house to send him/her for therapy and rehabilitation(s)? It's all fun and games and self-righteous grandstanding for conservatives...until it happens to one of theirs.

This narrow-minded assholism pervasive in conservative circles is thankfully popularly rejected by Americans, that's not who we are, it's who you are.

 

[AntonToo]

"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." - Robert Heinlein

Unqualified absolutisms rarely make anyone look smart.

The healthcare reform is no tyranny. You guys look like idiots without any sense of perspective when you say it is.

Now put that tired violin down and post something non-silly.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

So instead of personal responsibility for their own actions, everyone else has to pony up for their diseases, while we who don't fudge pack, or needle push, pay more yet get less coverage. Geez, your liberal compassion is real nice. Once again, when the money is all gone, because everyone will be broke, like in Venezuela, are you willing to eat DOG, like Obama did while he was growing up?

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Our money will be gone because we take care of people's healthcare needs without finger pointing and playing judge and jury? Nonsense.

And where does your aproach take us?
Should we deny coverage if you break a leg skiing? Because you are fat? Because you neglected to properly hydrate or get that skin bump checked out on time?

And what happens when your kid picks up a habit? Are you ready to mortgage the house to send him/her for therapy and rehabilitation(s)? It's all fun and games and self-righteous grandstanding for conservatives...until it happens to one of theirs.

This narrow-minded assholism pervasive in conservative circles is thankfully popularly rejected by Americans, that's not who we are, it's who you are.

At one time before the liberals got their hands of the Federal Income Tax Withheld, people got all their money and at the end of the year, paid for their wants and needs along with taxes. But then liberals figured out that they could steal more money away from people, because if the money got into the workers account, then at that point what difference did it make, if they made a lot or a little. So business, decided to get the best people to work for them(not minimum wage ignorant liberals) they would provide perks, one of which was FREE healthcare(not a right, but a privilege). But this so infuriated the liberals who didn't work hard, but still wanted what other people had, they decided to pass the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, saying that it would save $2,500 a family and Jonathan Gruber called you liberal voters "STUPID". Which you are. So why should I pay for some fudgepacker to put his Penis up another man's Uranus, and get HIV, or pay for some addicts drug use? Why wont you help me pay for my AR-15 which is a constitutional right? Hmmm. Maybe if the government under Trump started FORCING everyone not a liberal criminal to purchase a gun or be thrown in Jail, would you be okay with that? Tards voted for Obama the first time, Retards voted for Obama twice.

 

[AntonToo]

At one time before the liberals got their hands of the Federal Income Tax Withheld, people got all their money and at the end of the year, paid for their wants and needs along with taxes. But then liberals figured out that they could steal more money away from people, because if the money got into the workers account, then at that point what difference did it make, if they made a lot or a little. So business, decided to get the best people to work for them(not minimum wage ignorant liberals) they would provide perks, one of which was FREE healthcare(not a right, but a privilege). But this so infuriated the liberals who didn't work hard, but still wanted what other people had, they decided to pass the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, saying that it would save $2,500 a family and Jonathan Gruber called you liberal voters "STUPID". Which you are. So why should I pay for some fudgepacker to put his Penis up another man's Uranus, and get HIV, or pay for some addicts drug use? Why wont you help me pay for my AR-15 which is a constitutional right? Hmmm. Maybe if the government under Trump started FORCING everyone not a liberal criminal to purchase a gun or be thrown in Jail, would you be okay with that? Tards voted for Obama the first time, Retards voted for Obama twice.

lol I could just see your little politico mind explode and shower the room with all the random nonsense it contained.

Spectacular.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

At one time before the liberals got their hands of the Federal Income Tax Withheld, people got all their money and at the end of the year, paid for their wants and needs along with taxes. But then liberals figured out that they could steal more money away from people, because if the money got into the workers account, then at that point what difference did it make, if they made a lot or a little. So business, decided to get the best people to work for them(not minimum wage ignorant liberals) they would provide perks, one of which was FREE healthcare(not a right, but a privilege). But this so infuriated the liberals who didn't work hard, but still wanted what other people had, they decided to pass the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, saying that it would save $2,500 a family and Jonathan Gruber called you liberal voters "STUPID". Which you are. So why should I pay for some fudgepacker to put his Penis up another man's Uranus, and get HIV, or pay for some addicts drug use? Why wont you help me pay for my AR-15 which is a constitutional right? Hmmm. Maybe if the government under Trump started FORCING everyone not a liberal criminal to purchase a gun or be thrown in Jail, would you be okay with that? Tards voted for Obama the first time, Retards voted for Obama twice.

lol I could just see your little politico mind explode and shower the room with all the random nonsense it contained.

Spectacular.

I could see that you aren't satisfied that some people work for a living while some sit in their parents basement, smoke dope, invite their floozy girlfriend over to watch Netflix from their parents account and eat government cheese. It isn't enough that these people are big HOLES in society, yet they want more, and the dipshit government will give it to them even if it bankrupt this county. We saw it with Detroit, we see it with Illinois and California, when liberals drive away the producers eventually all their is left is DogMeat. Are you willing to eat Dog when there is nothing left from a Socialist Society?