Obamacare and the great lie.

[ph3iron]

The heritage foundation are not the Republicans.

Right, the republicans are the republicans. And they championed the fundamental ideas of the ACA as the only and best ideas they could come up with for 25 years in response to calls for the public option. That's simply a fact. And, if you like, you can say Obama grifted the ideas, and now they are his. Whatever. There's no "changing the narrative", there . Obama adopted these ideas first to contrast himself against Hillary, and then in hopes that the republicans would work with him on their own ideas. He was warned...but the naive Obama trudged ahead anyway, only to have them spit in his face.

What do you expect from the uppity nixxer?
Hard to satisfy our white boys dreaming of lynching days
Not to mention mitt Romney and his Massachusetts obamacare

 

[Rocko]

The heritage foundation are not the Republicans.

Right, the republicans are the republicans. And they championed the fundamental ideas of the ACA as the only and best ideas they could come up with for 25 years in response to calls for the public option. That's simply a fact. And, if you like, you can say Obama grifted the ideas, and now they are his. Whatever.

Which Republicans can you claim ever pushed for forcing people to pay for their own insurance? Mitt Romney is one, and he did so on a state level, not federal. Republicans have universally always championed freeing the insurance companies up to competing across state lines and tort reform. None of which was addressed by Obamacare

 

[ph3iron]

Medicare for all is not socialized medicine.

Right, it's socialized health insurance.[/QUOTE

"Blame"

I attributed the idea as originating from them, because it did. You gonna cry about it? Your republican shill is showing, ya fraud.

It was literally the best idea they could come up with for 25 years, in response to the public option. And the naive and short sighted Obama adopted it to contrast with Hillary and in hopes of getting republicans to work with him. Little did he know they would lose their minds when the 'uppity ****er' became president and suddenly call their own idea the worst idea imaginable.

Shill? You are a lying piece of shit. Put up the link you asswipe...

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Yep,shill. And you're even worse.

But anyhoo ... Whiny little bitch tantrums aside... The mandate was a bad idea that simply would not work. Many of the other provisions are excellent, but the whole thing is a circle jerk, without price controls.

Still no fucking link, you worthless piece of excrement..

A link...to what? Damn son, stop being a crybaby and use your big boy words. People won't know what you mean though say, if you don't use your big boy words.

What I have to do your own fucking work, because you said something, in one of your posts that I challenged, but you turn into a petulant spoiled little girl. Get off the fucking drugs, go back and see your lying ass statement and then put up a link, you lazy ass, liberal slob.

Whoops, dead giveaway for zero college.
Apart from the trump u fucks, he doesn't know the def of liberal.
From the Latin liber free darlin.
For the individual and small gov
So if you don't know the meaning of the words you spout why read on?

 

[ph3iron]

The heritage foundation are not the Republicans.

Right, the republicans are the republicans. And they championed the fundamental ideas of the ACA as the only and best ideas they could come up with for 25 years in response to calls for the public option. That's simply a fact. And, if you like, you can say Obama grifted the ideas, and now they are his. Whatever.

Which Republicans can you claim ever pushed for forcing people to pay for their own insurance? Mitt Romney is one, and he did so on a state level, not federal. Republicans have universally always championed freeing the insurance companies up to competing across state lines and tort reform. None of which was addressed by Obamacare

Gawd, Medicare overhead 4 %
Private 20 %
Private does give one the option of programs that don't cover anything.
The origin of the 1/2 truth "you can keep your plan"
He actually said you can keep if your plans covers what the worst Obama plan does.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Which Republicans can you claim ever pushed for forcing people to pay for their own insurance?

Newt Gingrich,for one. He was kind of important, right?

You might recognize some of these names, too (this is, by no means, a comprehensive list):

Sen. John Chafee
Minority Leader Bob Dole ,R- Kan.
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa
Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind.

 

[Rocko]

Which Republicans can you claim ever pushed for forcing people to pay for their own insurance?

Newt Gingrich,for one. He was kind of important, right?

You might recognize some of these names, too:

Sen. John Chafee

Minority Leader Bob Dole ,R- Kan.
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa
Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind.

Five people, huh? Now how many Republicans scoffed at the idea?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Five people, huh?

No, there was more than five. I just threw out some names that were senior republicans in leadership positions. And my point is that this was the best idea the republicans could come up with 25 years for healthcare reform .The only other idea they championed was to do nothing. So my point stands.

And the general point is that their alternatives at the time were all fashioned around the private insurance industry, including mandating coverage for pre existing conditions, the mandate, and minimum payouts from insurance companies. Save for medicare expansion, they pretty much wrote the ACA in the 1990s, when their ideas are aggregated.

 

[Rocko]

Five people, huh?

No, there was more than five. I just threw out some names that were senior republicans in leadership positions. And my point is that this was the best idea the republicans could come up with 25 years for healthcare reform .The only other idea they championed was to do nothing. So my point stands.

The fact of the matter is Republicans overwhelmingly rejected this idea, and as I mentioned before - tort reform and freeing up competition across state lines are healthcare reform policies that Republicans have been pushing for years

 

[Lesh]

When Obamacare was being pushed through the Congress so that we could eventually know what it was, one of the main complaints against it was that Democrats were trying to pave the way to socialized healthcare. Democrats insisted that wasn't the case. Republicans said that the whole idea was rife with shortcomings and that in the long run it would fail, setting up the left to claim that more had to be done. But Democrats promised that that wouldn't happen.

But here we are, just a few short years later. Many parts of Obamacare have been overturned or limited by the courts. What's left has little tensile strength to withstand the whims of changing administrations' pens and phones. And the leading Democratic Presidential candidates are rallying around a Medicare-for-all battle cry.

Obamacare was a lie. Will Democrats be willing to admit it?

what?

That's a bass ackward way to look at it

The REPUBLICANS have done harm to the ACA by not funding risk corridors...removing the mandate and removing taxes meant to help pay for it.

And THEN...after doing harm to it...they say...oh look! It has problems. Yea...problems THEY caused.

And guess what?

They have neither tried to repair it...not offered an alternative

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The fact of the matter is Republicans overwhelmingly rejected this idea,

No, you just made that up. And, as I already mentioned, the alternatives offered by repuicans in congress all still contained fundamental ideas found in the ACA.

You're not going to to squirm out of this. The republicans did, indeed, support,in carrying degrees, the fundamental ideas of the ACA, even right up until 2008. Then president Blackenstein ate their lunch, and these ideas all suddenly became "Communist!!!"

 

[Rocko]

When Obamacare was being pushed through the Congress so that we could eventually know what it was, one of the main complaints against it was that Democrats were trying to pave the way to socialized healthcare. Democrats insisted that wasn't the case. Republicans said that the whole idea was rife with shortcomings and that in the long run it would fail, setting up the left to claim that more had to be done. But Democrats promised that that wouldn't happen.

But here we are, just a few short years later. Many parts of Obamacare have been overturned or limited by the courts. What's left has little tensile strength to withstand the whims of changing administrations' pens and phones. And the leading Democratic Presidential candidates are rallying around a Medicare-for-all battle cry.

Obamacare was a lie. Will Democrats be willing to admit it?

what?

That's a bass ackward way to look at it

The REPUBLICANS have done harm to the ACA by not funding risk corridors...removing the mandate and removing taxes meant to help pay for it.

And THEN...after doing harm to it...they say...oh look! It has problems. Yea...problems THEY caused.

And guess what?

They have neither tried to repair it...not offered an alternative

Yeah, because if Republicans took a step back and did nothing Obamacare would would be flourishing like a palm tree

 

[Rocko]

The fact of the matter is Republicans overwhelmingly rejected this idea,

No, you just made that up. And, as I already mentioned, the alternatives offered by repuicans in congress all still contained fundamental ideas found in the ACA.

You're not going to to squirm out of this. The republicans did, indeed, support,in carrying degrees, the fundamental ideas of the ACA, even right up until 2008. Then president Blackenstein ate their lunch, and these ideas all suddenly became "Communist!!!"

You’re delusional.

 

[Mac1958]

When Obamacare was being pushed through the Congress so that we could eventually know what it was, one of the main complaints against it was that Democrats were trying to pave the way to socialized healthcare. Democrats insisted that wasn't the case. Republicans said that the whole idea was rife with shortcomings and that in the long run it would fail, setting up the left to claim that more had to be done. But Democrats promised that that wouldn't happen.

But here we are, just a few short years later. Many parts of Obamacare have been overturned or limited by the courts. What's left has little tensile strength to withstand the whims of changing administrations' pens and phones. And the leading Democratic Presidential candidates are rallying around a Medicare-for-all battle cry.

Obamacare was a lie. Will Democrats be willing to admit it?

No, they won't admit it, just like they won't admit that their "Medicare for All" lipstick on a Single Payer pig is also a lie (Medicare for All Doesn’t Mean What Americans Think It Means).

Most of them want true Single Payer, but I think it's possible that they'd compromise for a real expansion of the current Medicare / Medicare Advantage / Medicare Supplement system, which includes a significant free market competition/innovation component.

The problem, of course, is that the GOP won't budge on this. So we may end up with Single Payer after all.
.

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

It was nothing but a lie from the word go, and simply a tax. No doctors accepted it, and most people have a 5k deductible. At least before, you could go to an ER and get treated. They knew you were getting robbed compared to those with legit insurance. You knew you were going to not pay, or pay $10.00 a month for life towards the bill.


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[Fort Fun Indiana]

The fact of the matter is Republicans overwhelmingly rejected this idea,

No, you just made that up. And, as I already mentioned, the alternatives offered by repuicans in congress all still contained fundamental ideas found in the ACA.

You're not going to to squirm out of this. The republicans did, indeed, support,in carrying degrees, the fundamental ideas of the ACA, even right up until 2008. Then president Blackenstein ate their lunch, and these ideas all suddenly became "Communist!!!"

You’re delusional.

Great, glad you are done attempt to argue that down is really up. You kind of fell on your face, there.

Now, is ot any wonder that the republican frauds couldn't come up with any ideas to replace what were, essentially, the best ideas they could come up with for 25 years? It shouldn't be. They have no ideas for healthcare reform...no ideas to address the healthcare crisis... No ideas to expand coverage, or reduce medical bankrupties...

Their utter failure to repeal the ACA or to offer an alternative should be regarded as a national embarrassment, givem their theatrical rhetoric of the last 10 years..

 

[Oddball]

The heritage foundation are not the Republicans.

Right, the republicans are the republicans. And they championed the fundamental ideas of the ACA as the only and best ideas they could come up with for 25 years in response to calls for the public option. That's simply a fact. And, if you like, you can say Obama grifted the ideas, and now they are his. Whatever. There's no "changing the narrative", there . Obama adopted these ideas first to contrast himself against Hillary, and then in hopes that the republicans would work with him on their own ideas. He was warned...but the naive Obama trudged ahead anyway, only to have them spit in his face.

Which only underscores what I've been saying for decades; the democrats are so completely bereft of original ideas, that they have to steal the worst of the worst from republicans and assume them as their own....Then when the shit blows up in their faces, as it predictably and inevitably does, they turn around and blame republicans.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

At least before, you could go to an ER and get treated.

And you still can. But what a stupid country we are to regard that as an acceptable replacement for health insurance.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The heritage foundation are not the Republicans.

Right, the republicans are the republicans. And they championed the fundamental ideas of the ACA as the only and best ideas they could come up with for 25 years in response to calls for the public option. That's simply a fact. And, if you like, you can say Obama grifted the ideas, and now they are his. Whatever. There's no "changing the narrative", there . Obama adopted these ideas first to contrast himself against Hillary, and then in hopes that the republicans would work with him on their own ideas. He was warned...but the naive Obama trudged ahead anyway, only to have them spit in his face.

Which only underscores what I've been saying for decades; the democrats are so completely bereft of original ideas, that they have to steal the worst of the worst from republicans and assume them as their own....Then when the shit blows up in their faces, as it predictably and inevitably does, they turn around and blame republicans.

Well that's a bunch of irrelevant whining. It doesn't matter if one is a republican shill like you, or a democrat. There exist only a few viable ideas to address our healthcare crisis. Individual mandate, price controls, public option, and , well, that's about it. There is no magical unicorn that is going to appear and wow us all with its other-worldly, magical healthcare reform ideas.

 

[Oddball]

Most of them want true Single Payer, but I think it's possible that they'd compromise for a real expansion of the current Medicare / Medicare Advantage / Medicare Supplement system, which includes a significant free market competition/innovation component.

True as this is, Medicare supplement programs are little more than thick coat of relative free market polish on top of a big socialistic turd.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It reflects on the stupidity of this country that foregoing private purchase of health insurance and instead relying on bankruptcy is the correct, rational financial decision for millions of people.