Obama was underwater a good many times -- in polls

[Robert W]

Oh they got in all right

They BLASTED their way in and in the process injured 140 LEOs

Armored cops with guns and clubs were injured? Show proof using youtube

 

[Lesh]

Armored cops with guns and clubs were injured? Show proof using youtube

Are you ******* serious?

Are you THAT UNAWARE?

When you see the carnage that your buddies engaged in will you change your mind?

 

[Robert W]

Are you ******* serious?

Are you THAT UNAWARE?

When you see the carnage that your buddies engaged in will you change your mind?

My buddies were not there. My buddies are in Idaho and Oregon with a few still in California.

Here is your claim. Cops wearing heavy armor, having clubs, guns and protective hats were hurt. All I want to know is names, or proof and yes use youTube too.

 

[JonKoch]

The public rated Obama poor in 5 of his 8 years rated him not Bush.

Here is where you lost the debate.

Of course MAGA racists don't want to talk about the Great Recession.

I supported my claims, but you wailed that Obama was working hard to fix the economy, yet the public did not agree with that.

Yet reelected him 2012, go figure

 

[JonKoch]

Your talking of Obama lacks proof. What I said had proof that the public rated him poor 5 out of 8 years.
Trump is very highly rated on a lot of issues. War not so much. It is still early in the war and polls later may applaud him. Your smear cost you debate points. No proof at all. A wild claim.

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news.gallup.com

 

[JonKoch]

Bush's 'disastrous economy' that was initiated by the intentional blurring of the lines between finance and real estate well before Bush became president? Question, were federal tax revenues increasing or decreasing from 2004 through 2007? Here's a hint for you...

U.S. government - receipts 2035| Statista

The total receipts of the United States government added up to about 4.92 trillion U.S.

www.statista.com

Second, the 'great recession' only became that because Obama's fiscal plan increased debt, increased regulatory burdens, and his high taxes hampered financial growth. His 'recovery' was slow, and the unemployment rate took until 2017 to return to pre-recession levels. Obama essentially repeated many of the same mistakes made in response to the great depression.

RIGHT WING BS. Dubya/GOP policy gutted taxes AS they increased spending. ANY credible economist measure revenues GDP, not static dollars as you are doing


US DEBT WAS HANDED TO DUBYA/GOP of $5.8 trillion, Under Clinton policies share of debt to GDP was shrinking, THEN Dubya/GOP thought ideology was more important and had TWO UNFUNDED TAX CUTS FOR THE RICHEST, 2 UNFUNDED WARS AND PRIVATIZED MEDICARE THAT COST THE US TREASURIES THIS YEAR ALONE, $230+ BILLION, OF COURSE THEY NEVER GAVE IT A PENNY OF FUNDING


DUBYA HANDED OBAMA A CRASHING ECONOMY AND REVENUES AT KOREAN WAR LEVELS OF GDP, 14.5%.



NOTICE CLINTON'S YEARS? TAX CUTS AND WAR FUNDING DON'T STOP JUST BECAUSE YOU LEAVE OFFICE!!

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[JonKoch]

Bush's 'disastrous economy' that was initiated by the intentional blurring of the lines between finance and real estate well before Bush became president? Question, were federal tax revenues increasing or decreasing from 2004 through 2007? Here's a hint for you...

U.S. government - receipts 2035| Statista

The total receipts of the United States government added up to about 4.92 trillion U.S.

www.statista.com

Second, the 'great recession' only became that because Obama's fiscal plan increased debt, increased regulatory burdens, and his high taxes hampered financial growth. His 'recovery' was slow, and the unemployment rate took until 2017 to return to pre-recession levels. Obama essentially repeated many of the same mistakes made in response to the great depression.

NOTE ANY TRENDS?


DEPRESSION, FDR LISTENED TO THE BUDGET (MORGANTHAW) AND CUT SPENDING 10% IN 1937 AND THE US WENT BACK INTO A RECESSION UNTIL GOV'T SPENDING OF WW2

 

[JonKoch]

So you claim that

The Capitol was open to the public that day

The rioters were welcomed in

No cops were injured

And unicorns shit gold

All wrong

Robt said the other day, he was there near traitor Babitt

 

[Robert W]

Bush's 'disastrous economy' that was initiated by the intentional blurring of the lines between finance and real estate well before Bush became president? Question, were federal tax revenues increasing or decreasing from 2004 through 2007? Here's a hint for you...

U.S. government - receipts 2035| Statista

The total receipts of the United States government added up to about 4.92 trillion U.S.

www.statista.com

Second, the 'great recession' only became that because Obama's fiscal plan increased debt, increased regulatory burdens, and his high taxes hampered financial growth. His 'recovery' was slow, and the unemployment rate took until 2017 to return to pre-recession levels. Obama essentially repeated many of the same mistakes made in response to the great depression.

Well said and documented.

 

[JonKoch]

Well, you believe nobody got into the capitol and you will never change your mind.

Criminals got in there, the ones Cheeto pardoned

 

[Hollie]

HORROR: Suspect Murders 70-Year-Old Florida Woman Walking Her Dog - Stabs Her More Than 16 Times in Unprovoked Attack | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

A 25-year-old man killed a 70-year-old Martin County, Florida, woman after he stabbed her more than 16 times while she was walking her dog in an unprovoked attack on Thursday afternoon.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Legacy much?

There’s a strange coincidence connecting the democrat’s imported illegals and the culling of American women.

I know because I can define what a woman is.

 

[Hollie]

Criminals got in there, the ones Cheeto pardoned


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Were you hiding in a corner ready to protect AOC?

 

[Robert W]

Robt said the other day, he was there near traitor Babitt

Never did I say Babbit was there and in fact I picked up my pass at the Democrats offices and it was as simple as grabbing a bag of rice. It was years prior. I was myself in that same hall and I am well acquainted with the Capitol building layout. Babbitt walked inside with the aid of cops who were with her. One rogue cop murdered her.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

What moronic MAGA trolling question did you ask again?

Good gosh, is this yet another poster who doesn't know how message boards work? You do know that you're allowed to scroll BACK through old messages, right?

 

[JonKoch]

Ah, so you WON'T answer my question? I even did the homework for you, and you won't answer, probably b/c you're smart enough to know that you're wrong, but too dumb to admit it. You appear to be a liberal, so being dumb is absolutely part of the equation. Too dumb in fact to be aware of the concept of 'correlation not does equal causation.' I'll help you a bit further even, b/c I'm a nice guy - we'll start slow though;

Correlation does not imply causation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I realize that you're most likely too stubborn to accept being wrong about this so I will pivot and instead ask you one VERY simple question;

Name the EXACT policy that President Bush advocated, that sparked the great recession.

That should be simple enough for you since you claim that he was responsible. So, how exactly was he responsible?

DUBYA'S HOMEOWNERSHIP SOCIETY. He gutted regulators on the beat




Federal regulators at the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) and the Office of Thrift Supervision work for Bush and he was pushing his "Ownership Society" programs that was a major and successful part of his re election campaign in 2004.


And Bush's regulators not only let banks do this, they attacked state regulators trying to do their jobs.


Bush's documented policies and statements in timeframe leading up to the start of the Bush Mortgage Bubble include (but not limited to)

Wanting 5.5 million more minority homeowners
Tells congress there is nothing wrong with GSEs
Pledging to use federal policy to increase home ownership
Routinely taking credit for the housing market
Forcing GSEs to buy more low income home loans by raising their Housing Goals
Lowering Investment banks capital requirements, Net Capital rule
Reversing the Clinton rule that restricted GSEs purchases of subprime loans
Lowering down payment requirements to 0%
Forcing GSEs to spend an additional $440 billion in the secondary markets
Giving away 40,000 free down payments
PREEMPTING ALL STATE LAWS AGAINST PREDATORY LENDING


But the biggest policy was regulators not enforcing lending standards.

Thread 'FACTS on Dubya's great recession'

Jul 2, 2014

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush’s President’s Working Group on Financial Markets October 2008

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”



Q Did the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter/Clinton caused it?


A "Since 1995 there has been essentially no change in the basic CRA rules or...

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[IM2]

Which as you may or may not know, is completely irrelevant.

Actually, it is relevant. If Trump had lost after getting the most votes, we'd never hear the end of it.

 

[IM2]

IQ2 wouldn't know what TRUTH looked like even if it walked up and introduced itself...

IQ2 might not, but IM2 does. You MAGATS can't handle the truth.

 

[JonKoch]

Never did I say Babbit was there and in fact I picked up my pass at the Democrats offices and it was as simple as grabbing a bag of rice. It was years prior. I was myself in that same hall and I am well acquainted with the Capitol building layout. Babbitt walked inside with the aid of cops who were with her. One rogue cop murdered her.

What a bunch of Cheeto's pantload

AS POINTED OUT, THE CAPITAL GROUNDS WERE CLOSED FOR 2 YEARS


BREAKING THE WINDOWS BEFORE TRAITOR BABBIT WAS SHOT IS FIRST PIC

 

[Hollie]

IQ2 might not, but IM2 does. You MAGATS can't handle the truth.

As a white homo liberal posing as a black, your level of self loathing is disturbing.

 

[Hollie]

What a bunch of Cheeto's pantload

AS POINTED OUT, THE CAPITAL GROUNDS WERE CLOSED FOR 2 YEARS


BREAKING THE WINDOWS BEFORE TRAITOR BABBIT WAS SHOT IS FIRST PIC

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Are those photos of your BLM and antifa heroes In the Pacific Northwest before they burned and looted entire ciypty blocks?

Your queen Carmella Harris also offered to help with bail funds for your heroes.