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That chart is full of shit.
A .300 Win Mag has a muzzle velocity of 3260 ft/sec which means it would take 8 seconds to travel 5 miles if we ignored air resistance. In order to get a range of 5 miles you would have to be over 1000 feet above the target when you fired. If we factor in air resistance it just gets worse.
If you went 5 miles straight up and fired a .22 bullet straight down it would end up hitting the ground at a lower velocity that it left the weapon. Firing it at any other angle
The charts are based on facts. The air resistance has some effect, which is why velocities drop as range increases. But if you aim the rifle at about 30 to 45 degrees, your range increases.
The chart is based on conjecture, just like your post. Under ideal conditions maximum range is obtained by firing at an angle of slightly less than 45 degrees, not somewhere between 30 and 45 degrees. Funny thing, even under ideal conditions you won't get a maximum range of 5 miles from a .300 Win Mag unless you fire off a high cliff. Even then, the round would be non lethal at the impact point.
The charts are based on facts. The air resistance has some effect, which is why velocities drop as range increases. But if you aim the rifle at about 30 to 45 degrees, your range increases.
The chart is based on conjecture, just like your post. Under ideal conditions maximum range is obtained by firing at an angle of slightly less than 45 degrees, not somewhere between 30 and 45 degrees. Funny thing, even under ideal conditions you won't get a maximum range of 5 miles from a .300 Win Mag unless you fire off a high cliff. Even then, the round would be non lethal at the impact point.
The velocity after 5 miles would so minimal it would probably be nonlethal (I'm not willing to test it). But the bullet is capable of travelling that far. It is wildly inaccurate and there is no way it could be considered an effective range.
Nor is it as complicated as you are trying to make it. ....If you drop a bullet from muzzle level at the same time you fire the weapon, both projectiles will hit the ground at the same time. Physics is phun.
If the land is flat, that is (approximately) true. But it's not as simple as you think.
Not a bad idea really.
Yes it's a terrible idea. it's not done as was suggested in the op. any target shooting at a national forest is done at the range.
It's not the noise, it's the garbage and lead pellets. They had to clean up here in Chicago. All the pellets were contaminating the water.
There used to be a shooting range out into the water near Diversey.
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when i was a kid i grew up in the country on a lake
to the northwest of us around 3.5 miles as the crow flies
was a gravel pit
someone was (f)ing around with a 30-06 shooting over the bank
the rounds hit in our area
one round went through a door of a car
one went through the living room wall and the bathroom door
of a house further up the hill
I support this. I live in a state with lots of national forest land and shooters are everywhere. They put a piece of target paper on a tree 10" thick and fire away. When they miss the tree (they're all drunks) the bullet goes for miles. And the noise can easily travel 5 miles. I do lots of camping and all day long you hear gun shots. I don't know how people who live in the mountains handle it.
GUN WATCH: Kurt Hoffman: Obama Administration to Ban Shooting on Public Lands
Tuesday, December 24, 2013
Kurt Hoffman: Obama Administration to Ban Shooting on Public Lands
The U.S. News and World Report noted Monday that the Obama administration, perhaps frustrated at its inability to impose yet more restrictive gun regulation through the legislative process, is once again doing everything it can by executive diktat. This time, the infringement on that which shall not be infringed is to come via proposed new regulations barring hunters and target shooters from millions of acres of public land.
Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.
With candor that has likely not endeared him to his superiors, a Department of the Interior official freely admits that the idea here is not to make anyone safer:
"It's not so much a safety issue. It's a social conflict issue," said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior's Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites "freak out" when they hear shooting on public lands.
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It's not the noise, it's the garbage and lead pellets. They had to clean up here in Chicago. All the pellets were contaminating the water.
There used to be a shooting range out into the water near Diversey.
It's all three really. Shooters are always drunks and they leave beer cans everywhere.
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when i was a kid i grew up in the country on a lake
to the northwest of us around 3.5 miles as the crow flies
was a gravel pit
someone was (f)ing around with a 30-06 shooting over the bank
the rounds hit in our area
one round went through a door of a car
one went through the living room wall and the bathroom door
of a house further up the hill
All shooters are crazy drunks and psychopaths. They think it's cool to shoot into populated areas.
It's not the noise, it's the garbage and lead pellets. They had to clean up here in Chicago. All the pellets were contaminating the water.
There used to be a shooting range out into the water near Diversey.
It's all three really. Shooters are always drunks and they leave beer cans everywhere.
You are either trolling, attention whoring or very immature.
Shooters are always drunks and they leave beer cans everywhere.
I've seen groups just shooting in the woods many times. I've done it myself.
Not a bad idea really.
Yes it's a terrible idea. it's not done as was suggested in the op. any target shooting at a national forest is done at the range.
That is yet another of your brazen lies. I've seen groups just shooting in the woods many times. I've done it myself. I estimate 99% of target shooting on NF land is NOT done at designated shooting ranges.
I support this. I live in a state with lots of national forest land and shooters are everywhere. They put a piece of target paper on a tree 10" thick and fire away. When they miss the tree (they're all drunks) the bullet goes for miles. And the noise can easily travel 5 miles. I do lots of camping and all day long you hear gun shots. I don't know how people who live in the mountains handle it.
GUN WATCH: Kurt Hoffman: Obama Administration to Ban Shooting on Public Lands
Tuesday, December 24, 2013
Kurt Hoffman: Obama Administration to Ban Shooting on Public Lands
The U.S. News and World Report noted Monday that the Obama administration, perhaps frustrated at its inability to impose yet more restrictive gun regulation through the legislative process, is once again doing everything it can by executive diktat. This time, the infringement on that which shall not be infringed is to come via proposed new regulations barring hunters and target shooters from millions of acres of public land.
Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.
With candor that has likely not endeared him to his superiors, a Department of the Interior official freely admits that the idea here is not to make anyone safer:
"It's not so much a safety issue. It's a social conflict issue," said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior's Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites "freak out" when they hear shooting on public lands.
The charts are based on facts. The air resistance has some effect, which is why velocities drop as range increases. But if you aim the rifle at about 30 to 45 degrees, your range increases.
The chart is based on conjecture, just like your post. Under ideal conditions maximum range is obtained by firing at an angle of slightly less than 45 degrees, not somewhere between 30 and 45 degrees. Funny thing, even under ideal conditions you won't get a maximum range of 5 miles from a .300 Win Mag unless you fire off a high cliff. Even then, the round would be non lethal at the impact point.
The velocity after 5 miles would so minimal it would probably be nonlethal (I'm not willing to test it). But the bullet is capable of travelling that far. It is wildly inaccurate and there is no way it could be considered an effective range.
It's all three really. Shooters are always drunks and they leave beer cans everywhere.
You are either trolling, attention whoring or very immature.
Dude...he's all three!
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It's all three really. Shooters are always drunks and they leave beer cans everywhere.
You are either trolling, attention whoring or very immature.
Are you saying if I went out shooting today I would, beforehand, have to become a sloppy drunken litterbug and then I'd have to shoot while under the influence???
Yes it's a terrible idea. it's not done as was suggested in the op. any target shooting at a national forest is done at the range.
That is yet another of your brazen lies. I've seen groups just shooting in the woods many times. I've done it myself. I estimate 99% of target shooting on NF land is NOT done at designated shooting ranges.
Could you also have heard these shots being fired during hunting season?
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when i was a kid i grew up in the country on a lake
to the northwest of us around 3.5 miles as the crow flies
was a gravel pit
someone was (f)ing around with a 30-06 shooting over the bank
the rounds hit in our area
one round went through a door of a car
one went through the living room wall and the bathroom door
of a house further up the hill
All shooters are crazy drunks and psychopaths. They think it's cool to shoot into populated areas.
