Obama Says You're On Your Own Without Him. Good. Who Needs Him.

[Jarhead]

curious about witchcraft when she was a teenager?

or when she was a grown assed adult doing frequent appearances on a Political talk/comedy show

What a candidate does as an adult is worthy of debate.
What a candidate does as a kid is worth squat.

Of course, when it came to Obama, what he did as an adult was ALSO deemed by the left as not worthy of debate.

Curious about witchcraft as a teenager is bad, bad, bad
Not knowing or caring that your mentor as an adult has strong radical views is irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant.

 

[mudwhistle]

We could maybe get our GD space program back. [/B][/quote]

On May 25, 1961, John Fitzgerald Kennedy stood before Congress to deliver a special message on "urgent national needs." He asked for an additional $7 billion to $9 billion over the next five years for the space program, proclaiming that [COLOR="Red"]"this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before the decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the earth."[/COLOR] He settled upon this dramatic goal as a means of focusing and mobilizing [COLOR="Red"]the nation's lagging space efforts.[/COLOR] Skeptics questioned the ability of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) to meet the president's timetable. Within a year, however, Alan Shepard and Gus Grissom became the first two Americans to travel into space.

If we had waited for private enterprise and the Republican party to take us to the moon there would be a soviet flag planted there today.[/QUOTE]

Oh yea, the moon is such an important place we just had to be first. We made it, so now we don't need the space program any longer. :confused:[/QUOTE]

Without a space program most of the advancements in technology would have taken longer to happen.

Computers used to fill a room but now one of them can fit in your briefcase. Weight reduction in space travel made this possible.

How are we supposed to fix our com-sats????

 

[Sallow]

No Sallow, he doesn't want a middle class...........and in true form it's the Republican's fault. He wants more and more and more people dependent on government so he can buddy up to his rich 1%. He's single handly preventing the economy from moving forward. He doesn't want congress to accomplish what needs to be done. The Divider-in-Chief certainly can't work with his "enemies" aka the American people that believe in personal responsibility, the Republicans.

Sorry, but unless you are going out and fetching your only water, have a generator running in the house you built, carry your own weapons, are ready to fight your own fires, travel to your own business on roads you built in a mode of transportation that you created and eat food from your own farm..you are already "dependent" on government.

That's no accident. That through centuries of tweaking society so it works for us.

And I for one..do not want to break that.

You are acting like an ass.

You know dam well such government services are not what conservatives refer to when they talk about unecessary government involvement in our lives.

You are not engaging in an honest debate....and that speaks volumes to me.

Oh sure I am. They are going after collective bargaining rights nation wide. They are trying to break the Postal service in order to privatize it. They've been defunding fire departments, nationally. They've been talking about getting rid of the department of education and privatizing it. I have a valid argument and you calling me an "ass" doesn't squash it.

 

[Full-Auto]

Sorry, but unless you are going out and fetching your only water, have a generator running in the house you built, carry your own weapons, are ready to fight your own fires, travel to your own business on roads you built in a mode of transportation that you created and eat food from your own farm..you are already "dependent" on government.

That's no accident. That through centuries of tweaking society so it works for us.

And I for one..do not want to break that.

You are acting like an ass.

You know dam well such government services are not what conservatives refer to when they talk about unecessary government involvement in our lives.

You are not engaging in an honest debate....and that speaks volumes to me.

Oh sure it is. They are going after collective bargaining rights nation wide. They are trying to break the Postal service in order to privatize it. They've been defunding fire departments, nationally. They've been talking about getting rid of the department of education and privatizing it. I have a valid argument and you calling me an "ass" doesn't squash it.

Explain how we the people have oppressed the government worker that he demands benefits greater then offered to the general public?

 

[Jarhead]

Sorry, but unless you are going out and fetching your only water, have a generator running in the house you built, carry your own weapons, are ready to fight your own fires, travel to your own business on roads you built in a mode of transportation that you created and eat food from your own farm..you are already "dependent" on government.

That's no accident. That through centuries of tweaking society so it works for us.

And I for one..do not want to break that.

You are acting like an ass.

You know dam well such government services are not what conservatives refer to when they talk about unecessary government involvement in our lives.

You are not engaging in an honest debate....and that speaks volumes to me.

Oh sure it is. They are going after collective bargaining rights nation wide. They are trying to break the Postal service in order to privatize it. They've been defunding fire departments, nationally. They've been talking about getting rid of the department of education and privatizing it. I have a valid argument and you calling me an "ass" doesn't squash it.

I didnt call you an as....I said you were acting like an ass
And besides...what is an as?

 

[mudwhistle]

curious about witchcraft when she was a teenager?

or when she was a grown assed adult doing frequent appearances on a Political talk/comedy show

She was young.....she needed the work.

 

[Wry Catcher]

This is the second thread on this same topic. One more example of how the New Right has nothing constructive to post. I used to believe the proud and loud members of the echo chamber were simply ignorant and needed attention - it's becoming quite obvious I had them pegged wrongly, they are simply simple. There ignorance is a by-product of concrete thinking; cause and effect, ends and means, process all mean nothing to them, they are abstractions beyond their means. Sad.

First of all.......the numerous Palin threads are an example of how the left have nothing constructive to post....so lets put that to rest.

regarding this thread......it is of great importance and the fact that you see it as trivial speaks volumes.

The President of the United States...a land that was built on personal responsibility.......admits that he sees Government as all important in the lives of the American People.

SO that being said, Americans can now go to the polls next november and decide....do we want a President who feels we need his help to suiccceeed or do we want a President who will allow us to go out and succeed on our own as our forefathers did.

Now...dont deflect with "you want the people to fix their own roads and police their own neiughborhoods".....for you know dam well that I am not referring to those basic expectations of the government by the people.

I will not deflect. Local government is broke, most state governments are broke and the federal government is broken. Of course, that can be debated on another thread, one in which I have personal and professional experience at all three levels.

My question is, what constructive ideas are offered by those 'New Righter's? In my life experience, I have seen the rise of the New Left (in the 60's) and the rise of the New Right (in the late 90's); both movements were iconoclastic to the extreme and divisive to the extreme.

So I ask, what form of government/society/culture do you wish to live in and leave to our posterity?

 

[Sallow]

You are acting like an ass.

You know dam well such government services are not what conservatives refer to when they talk about unecessary government involvement in our lives.

You are not engaging in an honest debate....and that speaks volumes to me.

Oh sure it is. They are going after collective bargaining rights nation wide. They are trying to break the Postal service in order to privatize it. They've been defunding fire departments, nationally. They've been talking about getting rid of the department of education and privatizing it. I have a valid argument and you calling me an "ass" doesn't squash it.

Explain how we the people have oppressed the government worker that he demands benefits greater then offered to the general public?

Um..first off, public employees on the whole make less then those in the private sector, but have better benefits. But overall, we shouldn't be asking why the public sector has better benefits..we should be asking why the private sector has shitty ones.

 

[Jarhead]

This is the second thread on this same topic. One more example of how the New Right has nothing constructive to post. I used to believe the proud and loud members of the echo chamber were simply ignorant and needed attention - it's becoming quite obvious I had them pegged wrongly, they are simply simple. There ignorance is a by-product of concrete thinking; cause and effect, ends and means, process all mean nothing to them, they are abstractions beyond their means. Sad.

First of all.......the numerous Palin threads are an example of how the left have nothing constructive to post....so lets put that to rest.

regarding this thread......it is of great importance and the fact that you see it as trivial speaks volumes.

The President of the United States...a land that was built on personal responsibility.......admits that he sees Government as all important in the lives of the American People.

SO that being said, Americans can now go to the polls next november and decide....do we want a President who feels we need his help to suiccceeed or do we want a President who will allow us to go out and succeed on our own as our forefathers did.

Now...dont deflect with "you want the people to fix their own roads and police their own neiughborhoods".....for you know dam well that I am not referring to those basic expectations of the government by the people.

I will not deflect. Local government is broke, most state governments are broke and the federal government is broken. Of course, that can be debated on another thread, one in which I have personal and professional experience at all three levels.

My question is, what constructive ideas are offered by those 'New Righter's? In my life experience, I have seen the rise of the New Left (in the 60's) and the rise of the New Right (in the late 90's); both movements were iconoclastic to the extreme and divisive to the extreme.

So I ask, what form of government/society/culture do you wish to live in and leave to our posterity?

First of all...thanks for the new word...iconoclastic...needed to look that one up....love it when I learn a new word (no sarcasm there)

As for your final question...that is a very deep question and requires thought before I answer it.....I have never actually presented myself with that question.

 

[Full-Auto]

Oh sure it is. They are going after collective bargaining rights nation wide. They are trying to break the Postal service in order to privatize it. They've been defunding fire departments, nationally. They've been talking about getting rid of the department of education and privatizing it. I have a valid argument and you calling me an "ass" doesn't squash it.

Explain how we the people have oppressed the government worker that he demands benefits greater then offered to the general public?

Um..first off, public employees on the whole make less then those in the private sector, but have better benefits. But overall, we shouldn't be asking why the public sector has better benefits..we should be asking why the private sector has shitty ones.

Yes I have heard that myth. I really like the prevailing wage criteria that went into those stats. It helps explain the discrepancy.

 

[Jarhead]

Oh sure it is. They are going after collective bargaining rights nation wide. They are trying to break the Postal service in order to privatize it. They've been defunding fire departments, nationally. They've been talking about getting rid of the department of education and privatizing it. I have a valid argument and you calling me an "ass" doesn't squash it.

Explain how we the people have oppressed the government worker that he demands benefits greater then offered to the general public?

Um..first off, public employees on the whole make less then those in the private sector, but have better benefits. But overall, we shouldn't be asking why the public sector has better benefits..we should be asking why the private sector has shitty ones.

Really?

Why?

What different does it make? People have a choice where they want to work....private or public...a company with medical, a company without....good retirement benefots, or a non match 401 (K)...

You know...choices are great....why make everything cookie cutter?

 

[AmericanFirst]

Well you have a party in government that turns a blind eye while states are firing policemen, firemen, teachers and other civil servants, that turns a blind eye when people, through no fault of their own are in economic distress and caters to the wealthy in society..you are on your own.

The Republicans are like the "Aristocrat" party. And they want to turn this country into a third world shit hole where only the well monied prosper.

So he's completely correct.

Spoken like a true socialist.

 

[Sallow]

curious about witchcraft when she was a teenager?

or when she was a grown assed adult doing frequent appearances on a Political talk/comedy show

She was young.....she needed the work.

And she was the one injecting religion into politics.

 

[Sallow]

Well you have a party in government that turns a blind eye while states are firing policemen, firemen, teachers and other civil servants, that turns a blind eye when people, through no fault of their own are in economic distress and caters to the wealthy in society..you are on your own.

The Republicans are like the "Aristocrat" party. And they want to turn this country into a third world shit hole where only the well monied prosper.

So he's completely correct.

Spoken like a true socialist.

Spoke like a true fascist.

 

[Jarhead]

or when she was a grown assed adult doing frequent appearances on a Political talk/comedy show

She was young.....she needed the work.

And she was the one injecting religion into politics.

And thus why she lost.

What I found interesting was how the MSM...and the left in general.....was more wrapped up in her curiosity about witchcraft as a child than they were about her injecting religion into politics as a candidate.

 

[Sallow]

Explain how we the people have oppressed the government worker that he demands benefits greater then offered to the general public?

Um..first off, public employees on the whole make less then those in the private sector, but have better benefits. But overall, we shouldn't be asking why the public sector has better benefits..we should be asking why the private sector has shitty ones.

Really?

Why?

What different does it make? People have a choice where they want to work....private or public...a company with medical, a company without....good retirement benefots, or a non match 401 (K)...

You know...choices are great....why make everything cookie cutter?

It makes ALOT of difference. I find it amazing not one of you question the wealth disparity in this country. I find it amazing not one of you doesn't find that 470:1 executive to employee compensation is completely out of whack. Without minimum wage laws and overtime rules, corporations would be paying pennies to employees and working them to death. It seems that people are :gasp: really greedy.

And history shows that when wealth disparity gets to great..something breaks.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

On the other hand.....

"If I am elected again - you can expect even more promises that I can't possibly fulfill - but you don't hold me accountable - so why does this matter - the important thing is I am giving you hope.
If you have a student loan - you will still have it, but I will give you longer to pay the debt off and tell everyone I am saving America's youth.
I promise I will continue to come up with bloated/expensive spending measures and call it something that makes it sound like a new idea that will never pass and then show you how uncaring Republicans are when the Democrat Senate refuse to vote on it.
I promise I will never stop campaigning.
I promise that I will break all previous records on Wall Street campaign contributions this election while saying that I am with the occupiers while staying far away from them as humanly possible - and I will do this all at the same time...that's the kind of guy I am."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is the second thread on this same topic. One more example of how the New Right has nothing constructive to post. I used to believe the proud and loud members of the echo chamber were simply ignorant and needed attention - it's becoming quite obvious I had them pegged wrongly, they are simply simple. There ignorance is a by-product of concrete thinking; cause and effect, ends and means, process all mean nothing to them, they are abstractions beyond their means. Sad.

First of all.......the numerous Palin threads are an example of how the left have nothing constructive to post....so lets put that to rest.

regarding this thread......it is of great importance and the fact that you see it as trivial speaks volumes.

The President of the United States...a land that was built on personal responsibility.......admits that he sees Government as all important in the lives of the American People.

SO that being said, Americans can now go to the polls next november and decide....do we want a President who feels we need his help to suiccceeed or do we want a President who will allow us to go out and succeed on our own as our forefathers did.

Now...dont deflect with "you want the people to fix their own roads and police their own neiughborhoods".....for you know dam well that I am not referring to those basic expectations of the government by the people.

I will not deflect. Local government is broke, most state governments are broke and the federal government is broken. Of course, that can be debated on another thread, one in which I have personal and professional experience at all three levels.

My question is, what constructive ideas are offered by those 'New Righter's? In my life experience, I have seen the rise of the New Left (in the 60's) and the rise of the New Right (in the late 90's); both movements were iconoclastic to the extreme and divisive to the extreme.

So I ask, what form of government/society/culture do you wish to live in and leave to our posterity?

Public sector spending and pensions are unsustainable

 

[Sallow]

She was young.....she needed the work.

And she was the one injecting religion into politics.

And thus why she lost.

What I found interesting was how the MSM...and the left in general.....was more wrapped up in her curiosity about witchcraft as a child than they were about her injecting religion into politics as a candidate.

Why?

She was all over the place on religion. And she had some really crazy views.

 

[Sallow]

First of all.......the numerous Palin threads are an example of how the left have nothing constructive to post....so lets put that to rest.

regarding this thread......it is of great importance and the fact that you see it as trivial speaks volumes.

The President of the United States...a land that was built on personal responsibility.......admits that he sees Government as all important in the lives of the American People.

SO that being said, Americans can now go to the polls next november and decide....do we want a President who feels we need his help to suiccceeed or do we want a President who will allow us to go out and succeed on our own as our forefathers did.

Now...dont deflect with "you want the people to fix their own roads and police their own neiughborhoods".....for you know dam well that I am not referring to those basic expectations of the government by the people.

I will not deflect. Local government is broke, most state governments are broke and the federal government is broken. Of course, that can be debated on another thread, one in which I have personal and professional experience at all three levels.

My question is, what constructive ideas are offered by those 'New Righter's? In my life experience, I have seen the rise of the New Left (in the 60's) and the rise of the New Right (in the late 90's); both movements were iconoclastic to the extreme and divisive to the extreme.

So I ask, what form of government/society/culture do you wish to live in and leave to our posterity?

Public sector spending and pensions are unsustainable

Yeah..but having people with personal wealth upward of 48 billion is sustainable.

You guys are funny.