Obama offered a deal to cut 4 trillion off of the deficit and the Republicans...

[Billy000]

Okay, here is the next best thing. An outside news article confirming it. It's amazing how easy it is to find this stuff with a simple google search. You should try it sometime.



Obama seeks $4 trillion in cuts; GOP assails call for tax hikes - CNN

you're a pretty big smart ass for being a noob.

You claimed the GOP tore it up. This says the President unveiled it. It says nothing about what actions were or were not taken in Congress on it, assuming it was actually brought before congress.

Sorry, but a news story that doesn't support the accusations you made in the OP does not somehow prove the OP.

Umm okay, so you're saying that just because he unveiled it, it doesn't mean he sent it to congress. Again, I ask, what the hell would stop Obama from sending it to congress? Think about it.

 

[skipper]

What exactly would stop Obama from sending it to the Congress? He didn't say he was in the process of making the bill. The bill was already finalized. He sent the bill and it was rejected.

I guess will look for the proof that he sent the bill to congress, but I don't understand why you need that level of proof. Where do I even look for something like that?

Yes, I do need that as proof. When a bill is 'sent to congress', it means that someone in Congress actually introduces the bill on the Presidents behalf... that's how it works. The President doesn't actually 'introduce' the bill into the process, someone in Congress must.

That being said, once a bill is introduced, there is an ongoing record of every action regarding that bill.

Congress.org - Bill Search
Congressional Bills: Main Page
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Active Legislation
OpenCongress - 112th Congress - Track bills, votes, senators, and representatives in the U.S. Congress
Search Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
This last link is my personal favorite, but use whatever means you wish.

So the news article I just posted still wasn't good enough? Come on, you're being ridiculous

Okay, for the sake of putting this to bed, I will look for more proof later in the day.

That was good enough for me. I guess the next place is the Library of Congress. You put in the work. Let him put in some. He needs a friggin gopher.

 

[Billy000]

...still tore up the deal. Why? Because it included taxing the wealthy. It's absolutely ridiculous. Fox News/Republicans are always touting that taxing the wealthy wouldn't make a big dent in the deficit, which is true. However, just because it's a small dent, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the proposal. The tax hikes on the rich that Obama proposed would have reduced the deficit by 300 billion dollars. As small as that amount is toward reducing the deficit, isn't it a good compromise on the issue of taxes considering that the proposal totalled 4 trillion all together in cuts?

Can the rich really not handle being slightly less rich than they could be for the sake of getting the country back on track?

Now, all we have to show for it is 1.2 trillion in automatic cuts.

May I see a link?

See my post at the top of this page.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

His proposals are wrought with bogus claims. Nice try, but he's already added 4 trillion.

 

[Full-Auto]

...still tore up the deal. Why? Because it included taxing the wealthy. It's absolutely ridiculous. Fox News/Republicans are always touting that taxing the wealthy wouldn't make a big dent in the deficit, which is true. However, just because it's a small dent, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the proposal. The tax hikes on the rich that Obama proposed would have reduced the deficit by 300 billion dollars. As small as that amount is toward reducing the deficit, isn't it a good compromise on the issue of taxes considering that the proposal totalled 4 trillion all together in cuts?

Can the rich really not handle being slightly less rich than they could be for the sake of getting the country back on track?

Now, all we have to show for it is 1.2 trillion in automatic cuts.

You are liar.

BUT YOU THINK A CUT TEN YEARS OUT IS A CUT PROVING YOUR STUPIDITY.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Been drinking the cool aide ain't ya Billy?

Obama ain't offered SHIT! He...has been missing in action through this whole thing. As a matter of fact, the FIRST thing he did when he came back to town was to give companies ANOTHER tax loop hole...you know, like the ones he CLAIMS he wants to close...only this one is so magnanimous that he thinks we won't call it what it is. See, it's a TAX BREAK to companies and corporations that hire vets.

Take THAT occupy wall street!

Ain't that wonderful of the man? Set up a system to fail so that it cuts the defense budget in half, puts thousands of soldiers in harm's way without the equipment they need and then give corporations tax breaks to hire them when they come back in wheel chairs and on crutches. Wonderful man ain't he?

This is EXACTLY what Obummer and the democrats WANTED to happen with that stupid super committee crap in exchange for raising the debt ceiling in the first place. If you doubt it, just look at the ideologues they put on the thing.

The only mistake the republicans made was in voting to raise the debt ceiling in exchange for anything short of repealing Obamacare and passing the Ryan budget that actually would have cut 4 TRILLION out of the budget.

This president and the democrat party has not only not passed, but has not even OFFERED A BUDGET since Obama took office...little on offered some grand deficit reduction scheme.

Something that I might add has NEVER HAPPENED before in the history of this country and they damn well could have done since they controlled BOTH HOUSES of Congress for the first 2 years Obama has been in office. 900+ days with out a budget and in contempt of the Constitution.

By the way, the TRUTH of the super committee negotiations is that the democrats didn't off ONE SINGLE PLAN. The republicans offered several and the last one that the democrats rejected out of hand actually included closing the tax loop holds you mistakenly seem to think the democrats want. However, as I said, they rejected it out of hand.

They really only want to SAY they want to close the loop holes. They don't want to get caught actually doing it by their corporate masters and fat cat donors!

Wow, you Republicans are really into denial. Okay here it is. Proof!

Obama:


"The Budget Control Act that I signed into law last month will cut annual Government spending by about $1 trillion over the next 10 years. It also charges the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction with finding an additional $1.5 trillion in savings. As part of this jobs bill, I am asking the Congress to increase that amount so that it covers the full cost of the American Jobs Act. In addition, I believe that the Congress should seize the opportunity that this new Committee presents and do much more so that we can put the country on a sustainable fiscal path, which is critical for our long-term economic growth and competitiveness. For this reason, I am sending to the Congress this detailed plan to pay for this jobs bill and realize more than $3 trillion in net deficit reduction over the next 10 years. Combined with the approximately $1 trillion in savings from the first part of the Budget Control Act, this would generate more than $4 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade. This would bring the Nation to the point where current spending is no longer adding to our debt and where our debt is no longer increasing as a share of our economy--an important milestone on the way to restoring fiscal discipline and moving us toward balance." [Living Within Our Means and Investing in the Future: The President's Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction, WhiteHouse.gov, September 2011]

There you go. Can't argue with facts. However, it should be noted that many democrats didn't support the bill either. I never said democrats shouldn't be to blame for impeding Obama. Contrary to what Fox News will tell you, Obama is on the center of the political spectrum. He has been criticized by Democrats for being too diplomatic.

In other words, don't blame Obama. Blame ALL of congress.

There you go, believing the liar in chief and calling it proof. And billy goes wa wa wa all the way home.

 

[Billy000]

...still tore up the deal. Why? Because it included taxing the wealthy. It's absolutely ridiculous. Fox News/Republicans are always touting that taxing the wealthy wouldn't make a big dent in the deficit, which is true. However, just because it's a small dent, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the proposal. The tax hikes on the rich that Obama proposed would have reduced the deficit by 300 billion dollars. As small as that amount is toward reducing the deficit, isn't it a good compromise on the issue of taxes considering that the proposal totalled 4 trillion all together in cuts?

Can the rich really not handle being slightly less rich than they could be for the sake of getting the country back on track?

Now, all we have to show for it is 1.2 trillion in automatic cuts.

You are liar.

BUT YOU THINK A CUT TEN YEARS OUT IS A CUT PROVING YOUR STUPIDITY.

It's a cut over 10 years. You obviously don't know how these things work....

 

[Conservative]

Okay, here is the next best thing. An outside news article confirming it. It's amazing how easy it is to find this stuff with a simple google search. You should try it sometime.



Obama seeks $4 trillion in cuts; GOP assails call for tax hikes - CNN

you're a pretty big smart ass for being a noob.

You claimed the GOP tore it up. This says the President unveiled it. It says nothing about what actions were or were not taken in Congress on it, assuming it was actually brought before congress.

Sorry, but a news story that doesn't support the accusations you made in the OP does not somehow prove the OP.

Umm okay, so you're saying that just because he unveiled it, it doesn't mean he sent it to congress. Again, I ask, what the hell would stop Obama from sending it to congress? Think about it.

you're going to an awful lot of trouble to avoid showing the actual bill introduced into Congress. Why is that?

The end result is that you made a specific statement... that the GOP tore up his proposal/bill. A news story stating that a plan was 'unveiled' doesn't prove that a bill was actually introduced, or that the GOP 'tore it up'.

I am not saying it was not introduced. I am asking for the specifics. Can you provide them, and prove your initial statement? Yes, or no?

 

[Full-Auto]

...still tore up the deal. Why? Because it included taxing the wealthy. It's absolutely ridiculous. Fox News/Republicans are always touting that taxing the wealthy wouldn't make a big dent in the deficit, which is true. However, just because it's a small dent, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the proposal. The tax hikes on the rich that Obama proposed would have reduced the deficit by 300 billion dollars. As small as that amount is toward reducing the deficit, isn't it a good compromise on the issue of taxes considering that the proposal totalled 4 trillion all together in cuts?

Can the rich really not handle being slightly less rich than they could be for the sake of getting the country back on track?

Now, all we have to show for it is 1.2 trillion in automatic cuts.

You are liar.

BUT YOU THINK A CUT TEN YEARS OUT IS A CUT PROVING YOUR STUPIDITY.

It's a cut over 10 years. You obviously don't know how these things work....

LOL Over ten years. With most in the latter years.

This entire topic is over your head.

 

[Avorysuds]

The Tea Party offered a budget that would balence itself and President Obama avoided even reading it.

 

[JDzBrain]

Wow, you Republicans are really into denial. Okay here it is. Proof!

Obama:


"The Budget Control Act that I signed into law last month will cut annual Government spending by about $1 trillion over the next 10 years. It also charges the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction with finding an additional $1.5 trillion in savings. As part of this jobs bill(LIE ONE. It was the "The Budget Control Act" but he tried to claim it was a jobs bill when in fact it was a deal to INCREASE THE DEBT CEILING. Just more political posturing with no real intent), I am asking the Congress to increase that amount so that it covers the full cost of the American Jobs Act. (BULL SHIT call number 2. He and the demwhits negotiated a deal to INCREASE THE DEBT CEILING and before the ink on it had dried, reneged on the deal and attempted to tie it to his "Stimulus II" wish list which would add another 1.6 TRILLION dollars to the deficit NOW!) In addition...(on and on he drones with no intent of acting.)

There you go. Can't argue with facts....

In other words, don't blame Obama. Blame ALL of congress.

First, let me address this "Budget Control Act" crap. The ONLY fact in that is that he signed the bill...UNDER PROTEST I might add.

Just WHEN was that little bit of legislation signed into law? Oh yeah, 2011!

This law WAS the bill passed in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. Obama had to be dragged kicking and screaming to accept even this TINY little bit of fiscal reform in order to avoid the US defaulting on its debt. So that is BULL SHIT!

As to the rest of that lunatic ranting and political positioning on whitehouse.gov, There WAS NO BILL INTRODUCED EVER!

Why...because democrats didn't want to get attached to a stand alone piece of legislation that raised taxes on ANYONE while adding 1.6 TRILLION dollars in deficit spending.

They, just like anyone who actually understands this stuff and the mood of America KNOW that 70% of Americans do NOT favor tax hikes or increased deficits. Just about as many did NOT favor extending unemployment benefits. AND nearly 80% don't believe there will be ANY benefit from the "American Jobs Act" or "Stimulus II" after his moronic, "...shovel ready weren't so shovel ready" slip of the tongue.

Next, the bill he signed had to be passed by a REPUBLICAN House to even GET to Obummer's desk. So to portray republicans as obstructionist is disingenuous to say the least and a flat out LIE in the fact of it!

He and the democrats got damn near everything they wanted and they STILL reneged on it before the ink was dry.

This thing has gone just EXACTLY as the democrats hoped. However, they have misunderestimated the American people once again. "We the People" ain't buying the crap he's shoveling. And when 2012 rolls around...THAT will be made clear!

Oh, nearly forgot to mention. If you actually DO read the links Conservative posted, you will find that the republican controlled House of Representatives has passed some 22 pieces of budget and deficit reduction legislation in the last year and a half and NOT ONE has been brought to the floor of the US Senate by Dirty Harry. Just WHO is the obstructionist?

 

[Photonic]

What am I supposed to do with all of that? What is your point?

Nothing besides read it. I always think that the more enlightened option than listening to other peoples opinions on a bill, it is better to read it and form your own.

 

[paulitician]

'The Obama Deception.' All Americans should watch this movie. He really does say one thing and then does another. He is a GE employee. Nothing more. The masses sure have been duped on this guy.

 

[Billy000]

What am I supposed to do with all of that? What is your point?

Nothing besides read it. I always think that the more enlightened option than listening to other peoples opinions on a bill, it is better to read it and form your own.

Well, what we are arguing here are facts, not opinions. Obama did offer a deficit proposal. There is no arguing that fact alone.

 

[Billy000]

Wow, you Republicans are really into denial. Okay here it is. Proof!

Obama:


"The Budget Control Act that I signed into law last month will cut annual Government spending by about $1 trillion over the next 10 years. It also charges the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction with finding an additional $1.5 trillion in savings. As part of this jobs bill(LIE ONE. It was the "The Budget Control Act" but he tried to claim it was a jobs bill when in fact it was a deal to INCREASE THE DEBT CEILING. Just more political posturing with no real intent), I am asking the Congress to increase that amount so that it covers the full cost of the American Jobs Act. (BULL SHIT call number 2. He and the demwhits negotiated a deal to INCREASE THE DEBT CEILING and before the ink on it had dried, reneged on the deal and attempted to tie it to his "Stimulus II" wish list which would add another 1.6 TRILLION dollars to the deficit NOW!) In addition...(on and on he drones with no intent of acting.)

There you go. Can't argue with facts....

In other words, don't blame Obama. Blame ALL of congress.

First, let me address this "Budget Control Act" crap. The ONLY fact in that is that he signed the bill...UNDER PROTEST I might add.

Just WHEN was that little bit of legislation signed into law? Oh yeah, 2011!

This law WAS the bill passed in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. Obama had to be dragged kicking and screaming to accept even this TINY little bit of fiscal reform in order to avoid the US defaulting on its debt. So that is BULL SHIT!

As to the rest of that lunatic ranting and political positioning on whitehouse.gov, There WAS NO BILL INTRODUCED EVER!

Why...because democrats didn't want to get attached to a stand alone piece of legislation that raised taxes on ANYONE while adding 1.6 TRILLION dollars in deficit spending.

They, just like anyone who actually understands this stuff and the mood of America KNOW that 70% of Americans do NOT favor tax hikes or increased deficits. Just about as many did NOT favor extending unemployment benefits. AND nearly 80% don't believe there will be ANY benefit from the "American Jobs Act" or "Stimulus II" after his moronic, "...shovel ready weren't so shovel ready" slip of the tongue.

Next, the bill he signed had to be passed by a REPUBLICAN House to even GET to Obummer's desk. So to portray republicans as obstructionist is disingenuous to say the least and a flat out LIE in the fact of it!

He and the democrats got damn near everything they wanted and they STILL reneged on it before the ink was dry.

This thing has gone just EXACTLY as the democrats hoped. However, they have misunderestimated the American people once again. "We the People" ain't buying the crap he's shoveling. And when 2012 rolls around...THAT will be made clear!

Oh, nearly forgot to mention. If you actually DO read the links Conservative posted, you will find that the republican controlled House of Representatives has passed some 22 pieces of budget and deficit reduction legislation in the last year and a half and NOT ONE has been brought to the floor of the US Senate by Dirty Harry. Just WHO is the obstructionist?

You are really tap-dancing around this issue. The entire point I am trying to make was that Obama did in fact introduce legislation while you claimed (and apparently are still claiming) never happened. Are you just ignoring the CNN link I posted? Also, what you think about the democrats and Obama is irrelevant. Mostly because I am not defending the democrats in congress.

And you are wrong about Americans' attitudes towards tax hikes. Most Americans agree that there should be tax hikes on the WEALTHY, which has been Obama's position since the beginning.

This radical, one-sided belief you have toward politics is laughable. To put all of the blame on Obama/democrats for America's troubles shows that you really do not know much about these American issues. Is Fox News all you watch? That is sad.

 

[DaGoose]

Wow, you Republicans are really into denial. Okay here it is. Proof!

Obama:


"The Budget Control Act that I signed into law last month will cut annual Government spending by about $1 trillion over the next 10 years. It also charges the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction with finding an additional $1.5 trillion in savings. As part of this jobs bill(LIE ONE. It was the "The Budget Control Act" but he tried to claim it was a jobs bill when in fact it was a deal to INCREASE THE DEBT CEILING. Just more political posturing with no real intent), I am asking the Congress to increase that amount so that it covers the full cost of the American Jobs Act. (BULL SHIT call number 2. He and the demwhits negotiated a deal to INCREASE THE DEBT CEILING and before the ink on it had dried, reneged on the deal and attempted to tie it to his "Stimulus II" wish list which would add another 1.6 TRILLION dollars to the deficit NOW!) In addition...(on and on he drones with no intent of acting.)

There you go. Can't argue with facts....

In other words, don't blame Obama. Blame ALL of congress.

First, let me address this "Budget Control Act" crap. The ONLY fact in that is that he signed the bill...UNDER PROTEST I might add.

Just WHEN was that little bit of legislation signed into law? Oh yeah, 2011!

This law WAS the bill passed in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. Obama had to be dragged kicking and screaming to accept even this TINY little bit of fiscal reform in order to avoid the US defaulting on its debt. So that is BULL SHIT!

As to the rest of that lunatic ranting and political positioning on whitehouse.gov, There WAS NO BILL INTRODUCED EVER!

Why...because democrats didn't want to get attached to a stand alone piece of legislation that raised taxes on ANYONE while adding 1.6 TRILLION dollars in deficit spending.

They, just like anyone who actually understands this stuff and the mood of America KNOW that 70% of Americans do NOT favor tax hikes or increased deficits. Just about as many did NOT favor extending unemployment benefits. AND nearly 80% don't believe there will be ANY benefit from the "American Jobs Act" or "Stimulus II" after his moronic, "...shovel ready weren't so shovel ready" slip of the tongue.

Next, the bill he signed had to be passed by a REPUBLICAN House to even GET to Obummer's desk. So to portray republicans as obstructionist is disingenuous to say the least and a flat out LIE in the fact of it!

He and the democrats got damn near everything they wanted and they STILL reneged on it before the ink was dry.

This thing has gone just EXACTLY as the democrats hoped. However, they have misunderestimated the American people once again. "We the People" ain't buying the crap he's shoveling. And when 2012 rolls around...THAT will be made clear!

Oh, nearly forgot to mention. If you actually DO read the links Conservative posted, you will find that the republican controlled House of Representatives has passed some 22 pieces of budget and deficit reduction legislation in the last year and a half and NOT ONE has been brought to the floor of the US Senate by Dirty Harry. Just WHO is the obstructionist?

You are really tap-dancing around this issue. The entire point I am trying to make was that Obama did in fact introduce legislation while you claimed (and apparently are still claiming) never happened. Are you just ignoring the CNN link I posted? Also, what you think about the democrats and Obama is irrelevant. Mostly because I am not defending the democrats in congress.

And you are wrong about Americans' attitudes towards tax hikes. Most Americans agree that there should be tax hikes on the WEALTHY, which has been Obama's position since the beginning.

This radical, one-sided believe you have toward politics is laughable. To put all of the blame on Obama/democrats for America's troubles shows that you really do not know much about these American issues. Is Fox News all you watch? That is sad.

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[Billy000]

Great quote. I think it speaks volumes coming from an independent rather than a democrat sounding like a broken record.

 

[bripat9643]

The president's "offer" included $500 billion in new spending. That's a non-starter. No Republican is going to vote to give the president another slush fund to pay off union supporters with, especially since a portion of that money will end up in Democrat campaign coffers in the form of union dues.

Also, as always, his proposal consisted of tax increases immediately and all the cuts back loaded over a 10 year period. In other words, the "cuts" were purely imaginary.

Do you turds actually believe no one is wise to your scams?

Wow, you Republicans are really into denial. Okay here it is. Proof!

Obama:


"The Budget Control Act that I signed into law last month will cut annual Government spending by about $1 trillion over the next 10 years. It also charges the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction with finding an additional $1.5 trillion in savings. As part of this jobs bill, I am asking the Congress to increase that amount so that it covers the full cost of the American Jobs Act. In addition, I believe that the Congress should seize the opportunity that this new Committee presents and do much more so that we can put the country on a sustainable fiscal path, which is critical for our long-term economic growth and competitiveness. For this reason, I am sending to the Congress this detailed plan to pay for this jobs bill and realize more than $3 trillion in net deficit reduction over the next 10 years. Combined with the approximately $1 trillion in savings from the first part of the Budget Control Act, this would generate more than $4 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade. This would bring the Nation to the point where current spending is no longer adding to our debt and where our debt is no longer increasing as a share of our economy--an important milestone on the way to restoring fiscal discipline and moving us toward balance." [Living Within Our Means and Investing in the Future: The President's Plan for Economic Growth and Deficit Reduction, WhiteHouse.gov, September 2011]

There you go. Can't argue with facts. However, it should be noted that many democrats didn't support the bill either. I never said democrats shouldn't be to blame for impeding Obama. Contrary to what Fox News will tell you, Obama is on the center of the political spectrum. He has been criticized by Democrats for being too diplomatic.

In other words, don't blame Obama. Blame ALL of congress.

 

[bripat9643]

Exactly. I can't believe that any wingnuts would have the balls to bring up anything to do with "putting troops in harms way" after their support of the Iraq invasion and occupation.

I have and do support going into Afghanistan after Bin Laden however and so did Bush at first. But then later he said "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

Sure you did, and I'm the Queen of England.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

...still tore up the deal. Why? Because it included taxing the wealthy. It's absolutely ridiculous. Fox News/Republicans are always touting that taxing the wealthy wouldn't make a big dent in the deficit, which is true. However, just because it's a small dent, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the proposal. The tax hikes on the rich that Obama proposed would have reduced the deficit by 300 billion dollars. As small as that amount is toward reducing the deficit, isn't it a good compromise on the issue of taxes considering that the proposal totalled 4 trillion all together in cuts?

Can the rich really not handle being slightly less rich than they could be for the sake of getting the country back on track?

Now, all we have to show for it is 1.2 trillion in automatic cuts.

Getting the country on track would be removing obama from office. That is all.