Obama Foreign Policy Objective Met Without CIA Black(?) Eye! Maliki Out!

[mascale]

Even Fox News has a recent poll finding that 65% of USA, fairly bi-partisan, support the recent air strikes in Iraq. Objective Two, the rescue of the people on the mountain, has proceeded quietly and resolutely. Then the most critical part of US foreign policy in Iraq had to be met, and so Maliki is gone from prime minister, self-announced.

Maliki steps down as Iraqi prime minister - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Mostly, during most of the year, steps like these are all opposed by GOP. "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb! Let's Bomb Iran!" had the more Sarah Palin nuanced, agenda about it(?). There is a widely Iraq and worldwide supported, prime minister designate, now, in Iraq.

There is no suggestion of a CIA plot. There is no suggestion of CIA involement. There is nothing that anyone can point to that suggests a U. S. led, general atrocity. Dialog has been opened with former adversaries, now almost allies. There is a uniting flashpoint, ISIS, now falling victim to the Obama-led foreign policy. It will be hard to find local or worldwide support for ISIS, no thanks to the jerks like Senator Rubio, freshly drying out from a long swim. . . .from somewhere(?). There is no Bay of Pigs debacle, Eisenhower left-behind.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many White Eyes, now needing shades, from glare of new foreign policy initiatives! Fox News not even commenting on 65% approval of the policy initiative, above noted!)

 

[deltex1]

Democracy in Iraq. Thank you, W!!!!



It's Bush's fault.......as usual. LMBBFFAO!

 

[mascale]

Actually, Bush left a giant vacuum in Iraq, which Al Qaeda immediately started filling. The Islamic State in Iraq and The Levant--properly ISIL--is an Al Qaeda splinter, even disliked by Osama bin laden.

Whereas bin laden went east, so Bush sent the troops out West(?), Obama even found out that east was really not west, apparently unlike the Ivy League explains it(?). We have Bush to help us out with that(?), and MWD's. . . .and street-dancing. The Iivy League has its way of seeing the world, and Fox Views has its way of not-seeing(?) the world!

Bush left a non-starter, more like an "Hussein" mostly partial to the Shia.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many now find on Lands of Many Nations--inner peace and strength of real numbers, actually, 7 and 11!)

 

[Lakhota]

Good news!

 

[MACAULAY]

Even Fox News has a recent poll finding that 65% of USA, fairly bi-partisan, support the recent air strikes in Iraq. Objective Two, the rescue of the people on the mountain, has proceeded quietly and resolutely. Then the most critical part of US foreign policy in Iraq had to be met, and so Maliki is gone from prime minister, self-announced.

Maliki steps down as Iraqi prime minister - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Mostly, during most of the year, steps like these are all opposed by GOP. "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb! Let's Bomb Iran!" had the more Sarah Palin nuanced, agenda about it(?). There is a widely Iraq and worldwide supported, prime minister designate, now, in Iraq.

There is no suggestion of a CIA plot. There is no suggestion of CIA involement. There is nothing that anyone can point to that suggests a U. S. led, general atrocity. Dialog has been opened with former adversaries, now almost allies. There is a uniting flashpoint, ISIS, now falling victim to the Obama-led foreign policy. It will be hard to find local or worldwide support for ISIS, no thanks to the jerks like Senator Rubio, freshly drying out from a long swim. . . .from somewhere(?). There is no Bay of Pigs debacle, Eisenhower left-behind.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many White Eyes, now needing shades, from glare of new foreign policy initiatives! Fox News not even commenting on 65% approval of the policy initiative, above noted!)

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It takes Willing Blindness to a breath-taking level to declare Obama's Iraq policy a success...with half the counrty in the hands of a Terroist Army which has the Capitol virtually surrounded.

 

[deltex1]

As Charles just said..."ok mr president you have your New gummint in Iraq...now what?"

 

[deltex1]

While Obama said the U.S. can’t just be “the Iraqi air force,” he argued it needs to “bolster” Iraqi leadership, and prevent Sunni extremists from forming a state through Syria and Iraq under the banner of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

“We do have a strategic interest in pushing back” ISIS, the President said in an interview with Times columnist Thomas Friedman. “We’re not going to let them create some caliphate through Syria and Iraq, but we can only do that if we know that we’ve got partners on the ground who are capable of filling the void.”


http://time.com/3095598/obama-iraq-isis/

 

[tinydancer]

ISIS isn't going anywhere. Obviously you have never seen a map of the territory they hold. They are the most wealthy and powerful terror army on the planet.

 

[tinydancer]

Oh and it should be duly noted that the key to Maliki's willingness to step aside had very little to do with Obama.

But everything to do with Iran. When your best friend and ally Iran comes out in full support of Abadi, he knew his challenge was a lost cause.

Ali Khamenei the Iranian Supreme Leader issued a public welcome to Abadi to his newly appointed position. Maliki knew it was time to step aside.

He shouldn't have gone for the third term despite Dawa's win in spring. It was time to pass the torch on to some one new.

I wish more leaders would do that instead of trying to stay in power for forever.

 

[blackhawk]

Iraq Had Elections Under Saddam Hussein.
Yes with one name on the ballot his.

 

[mascale]

Maliki was becoming perceived in the same legacy as Hussein, a Sunni, was leaving behind.

BBC News - Iraq crisis: The Sunni-Shia divide explained

ISIL is Sunni, but doesn't seem to like them--which will cost them a lot of money every single hour they stick around.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many gave safe harbor to Great Geronimo, who was not of a rich and heavily armed militia--thinking it owns everything and everyone.)

 

[NotfooledbyW]

We know that Lil Dubya dithered for a six months After al Qaeda blew up the Golden Dome (See *1)Mosque in February 2006, before deciding what to do about the Shiite Sunni civil war with US troops caught in the middle of it. How many Iraqis and Americans died and were injured while Bush digthered on the whether to go with the surge.

But here goes Deltex1 -nfbw

On 08-14-2014 at 05:47 PM deltex1 wrote, "As Charles just said..."ok mr president you have your New gummint in Iraq...now what?"

Hey Hoo: Americans are not being shot and killed or wounded on the ground in Iraq right now. You had no hurry in 2006. What's your big hurry now? Are you still afraid of being beheaded? Still in your bunker? -nfbw



It is interesting to witness just a couple of days ago, Deltex wrote that Iran was the "glue" for the whole terrorist effort. And that includes Shiite Glue for ISIS terrorists. I know. Really stupid, but Deltex1 wrote it. -nfbw

On 08-12-2014 at 06:31 PM deltex1 wrote, on the Obabble thinks thread, "If there is one government that is the glue for the whole effort...at least the one who wants credit...it's Iran. Are we bombing them or negotiating with them? "

But look at deltex1 today: -nfbw

On 08-14-2014 at 05:03 PM detltex1 wrote, "Democracy in Iraq. Thank you, W!!!!:

Why would Deltex1 declare the success with !!!! Democracy in Iraq when according to TinyDancer Iran is behind the ouster of Maliki. My God, Maliki has been pushed out by the "GLUE" that holds ISIS and Al Qaeda and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban... and any angry Muslim speaking earthing. IRAN IRAN...... John Bolton must be having a heart attack tonight. -nfbw

The top conservative know-it-all about Iraq and terrorism next to EconChick tis elling you here all about just what went down today: -nfbw

On 08-14-2014 at 06:47 PM tinydancer wrote, "Oh and it should be duly noted that the key to Maliki's willingness to step aside had very little to do with Obama. But everything to do with Iran. When your best friend and ally Iran comes out in full support of Abadi, he knew his challenge was a lost cause. Ali Khamenei the Iranian Supreme Leader issued a public welcome to Abadi to his newly appointed position. Maliki knew it was time to step aside.

So Deltex1, do you agree with tinydancer that the incoming PM of Iraq's 'new democracy' is publically welcome by the world's top terrorist. Is that real democracy that your Lil Dubya should be praised for? Just wondering. -nfbw

I think its great that Iran, the US, the EU and Saudi Arabia, and Egypt etc are on the same page here welcoming Mr Abadi. -nfbw

“I want to emphasize that the best and most effective response to a threat like ISIL will ultimately involve partnerships where local forces like Iraqis take the lead,” -President of the United States of America 19 Jun 2014

“The United States will not pursue military actions that support one sect inside of Iraq at the expense of another. There's no military solution inside of Iraq, certainly not one that is led by the United States.” -President of the United States of America 19 Jun 2014

Re: *1

Dome of the Golden Mosque Destroyed By Bill RoggioFebruary 22, 2006

al Qaeda likely conducted attacks; attack can lead to civil war or provide opportunity for Sunnis and Shiites to unite; al Qaeda may have made yet another miscalculation

Read more: Dome of the Golden Mosque Destroyed - The Long War Journal

 

[NotfooledbyW]

ISIS isn't going anywhere. Obviously you have never seen a map of the territory they hold. They are the most wealthy and powerful terror army on the planet.

The territory they hold includes much that is vast wide open areas. The major two cities in Iraq that IS control are now practically ghost towns per the latest reports. Between those cities and cities in Syria there is plenty of open territory. Stretches of open territory is not a good environment for heavy artillery and armored vehicles and fuel trucks when a ground army does not have air superiority to protect those assets vehicles.

When the IS Army gets an Air Force would you let us know?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

It takes Willing Blindness to a breath-taking level to declare Obama's Iraq policy a success...with half the counrty in the hands of a Terroist Army which has the Capitol virtually surrounded.

What are you reading? is the IS Times? "Virtually Surrounded?" Are they wining some video game? Whre do they control 'half' of the country? Measuring population, what percent of Iraq do they control. Do they have the support of the population they control.



Its not many. See the link to the Map by Caerus Associates, Long War Journal, Institute for the Study of War

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-conflict-in-maps-photos-and-video.html?_r=0

Recent Developments in the Crisis Updated August 11


1 American airstrikes on ISIS fighters surrounding this mountain opened a path for thousands of Yazidis to escape the siege, but tens of thousands more remain trapped.2 Because the way into Kurdistan from inside Iraq was blocked by militants, many of the escapees made their way through Syria to this Iraqi town under Kurdish control.3 With the help of American airstrikes, Kurdish militia members regained control of Gwer and Mahmour, two strategic towns near Erbil, the capital of Kurdistan.

Areas of ISIS Influence

Key controlled locations

Full control

Recurring attacks

Sources: Caerus Associates, Long War Journal, Institute for the Study of War

The IS Caliphate on a map looks like Texas gerrymandering of its Congressional Districts. These terrorist control narrow strips of highway in Iraq. In actual percentage of territory ISIS controls what looks like just a few percent. Population may be right around that too. All Sunnis make up 15% to 18% of Iraq. At least a million have fled from ISIS.

 

[tinydancer]

ISIS isn't going anywhere. Obviously you have never seen a map of the territory they hold. They are the most wealthy and powerful terror army on the planet.

The territory they hold includes much that is vast wide open areas. The major two cities in Iraq that IS control are now practically ghost towns per the latest reports. Between those cities and cities in Syria there is plenty of open territory. Stretches of open territory is not a good environment for heavy artillery and armored vehicles and fuel trucks when a ground army does not have air superiority to protect those assets vehicles.

When the IS Army gets an Air Force would you let us know?

Mock them all you want. It shows you are a fool.

Raqaa is already set up as a caliphate. They have oil fields and cities.They just took over the dam in Mosul.

Why is the dam important? Because they can use the dam to blackmail the government.



I'd say for a newbie they've really racked up the wins.

Their leader is a rock star among jihadists. More are joining ISIS and Levant daily. IS is their latest handle.

I never thought I'd ever say this, but this terror army is heading towards being a one percenter.

Underestimate them at your peril.

Islamic State’s rampage through northern Iraq has inspired terror as stories spread of beheadings and crucifixions.

At the same time, its fighters are capturing the strategic assets needed to fund the Islamic caliphate it announced in June and strengthen its grip on the territory already captured.

“These extremists are not just mad,” said Salman Shaikh, director of the Brookings Institution’s Doha Center in Qatar.

“There’s a method to their madness, because they’ve managed to amass cash and natural resources, both oil and water, the two most important things.

And of course they are going to use those as a way of continuing to grow and strengthen.”

Shaikh’s allusion to ISIS amassing “oil and water” is a reference to the group’s capture of a number of oil fields, and, as of last week, the Mosul dam.

Control of the dam not only gives ISIS control over electricity, but, according to one observer, the ability to blackmail the government.

Aziz Alwash, an environmental adviser to the [Iraqi] Water Resources Ministry, said he’s concerned the militants will use the dam to blackmail the government.The dam needs cement injections as part of its maintenance, he said.

“Mosul city would drown within three hours” if the dam broke, he said Aug. 10 in a telephone interview. Other cities down the road to Baghdad would also be inundated while the capital would be under water within four hours. The dam has a capacity of 20-30 billion cubic meters, he said.

ISIS Captures Mosul Dam, Other Strategic Assets, Further Destabilizing Region | The Tower

 

[tinydancer]

Even Fox News has a recent poll finding that 65% of USA, fairly bi-partisan, support the recent air strikes in Iraq. Objective Two, the rescue of the people on the mountain, has proceeded quietly and resolutely. Then the most critical part of US foreign policy in Iraq had to be met, and so Maliki is gone from prime minister, self-announced.

Maliki steps down as Iraqi prime minister - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Mostly, during most of the year, steps like these are all opposed by GOP. "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb! Let's Bomb Iran!" had the more Sarah Palin nuanced, agenda about it(?). There is a widely Iraq and worldwide supported, prime minister designate, now, in Iraq.

There is no suggestion of a CIA plot. There is no suggestion of CIA involement. There is nothing that anyone can point to that suggests a U. S. led, general atrocity. Dialog has been opened with former adversaries, now almost allies. There is a uniting flashpoint, ISIS, now falling victim to the Obama-led foreign policy. It will be hard to find local or worldwide support for ISIS, no thanks to the jerks like Senator Rubio, freshly drying out from a long swim. . . .from somewhere(?). There is no Bay of Pigs debacle, Eisenhower left-behind.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many White Eyes, now needing shades, from glare of new foreign policy initiatives! Fox News not even commenting on 65% approval of the policy initiative, above noted!)

What I highlighted proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you don't have a clue what you are talking about whatsoever.

They've fallen victim to absolutely nothing Obama has done. To claim otherwise is outrageous.

As I've put up in other posts, IS is the worlds wealthiest and most powerful terrorist army who have been highly successful with every action against Syria and Iraq.

Not only have they scored oil fields and are worth billions now, they hold cities in both countries, established a caliphate, just took over the major dam in Mosul so now they control the electricity in Iraq and now they've been successful in taking over 40 percent of the nation's wheat supplies.

Obama's foreign policy or support from any country on the planet means jack shit to these jihadists.

ISIS seize control of new weapon: Iraqi wheat

BAGHDAD/ABU DHABI: After seizing five oil fields and Iraq’s biggest dam, Sunni militants bent on creating an Islamic empire in the Middle East now control yet another powerful economic weapon – wheat supplies.

Fighters from ISIS have overrun large areas in five of Iraq’s most fertile provinces, where the United Nations food agency says around 40 percent of its wheat is grown.

Now they’re helping themselves to grain stored in government silos, milling it and distributing the flour on the local market, an Iraqi official told Reuters. ISIS has even tried to sell smuggled wheat back to the government to finance a war effort marked by extreme violence and brutality.


ISIS seize control of new weapon: Iraqi wheat | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

 

[mascale]

UnCaring jerk, tinydancer, fails to recall that the United States tends to intervene militarily in nations where it fails to win, "The Hearts and Minds Of The People." So thanks to Obama Administration in Iraq, Iran doesn't much like the Sunni fanatics, and in fact, in Iraq, the Sunni don't seem to like the Sunni fanatics. The Anwar Sunni can now ask the United States for assistance against the incursion.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...-heartland-says-U-S-to-help-against-ISIS.html

Napolean was defeated in Russia, it is noted, having failed to win the Hearts and Minds of the people. There would not be said now established a Caliphate, warmly embraced by all the Middle East as their new religious order, in place--all stable and at peace, and revered.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(White Eyes sooner embrace shiny yellow metal, than peoples of different color and beliefs in their midst.)

 

[NotfooledbyW]

On 08-10-2014 at 11:13 AM tinydancer wrote, This has nothing at all to do with Sunni disenchantment with a Shia government. ISIS couldn't give a rats ass about who is in power in Baghdad."

Do you believe all Iraqi Sunnis are ISIS? Look at your statement. Iraq Sunni disenchantment with the Maliki government in particular has nothing to do with whether ISIS could give a rats ass about Iraq's politicis. ISIS terrorists are criminals and killers and have no say in Iraq's politics and no one, including you, should give a rats ass about what ISIS terrorists care about.

Isis can only be defeated in Iraq by Sunnis in Iraq, but with our support and evenhanded military assistance to the Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds in Iraq.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

On 08-10-2014 at 06:55 PM Tinydancer wrote *, "Maliki is a bad guy is he? Fuck you. Fuck your President."

*thread "I blame Bushes for destabilizing Iraq..."

So you think Maliki is a great leader and Obama is a horrible one. Perhaps you wish a politician comes along and does this to your country:

"In a process that started in 2007 and peaked this year {2012}, the prime minister surrounded himself with a circle of former army officers. In return for their loyalty, these officers regained the ranks they had once lost under US de-Baathification policies, and were assigned key posts within the army divisions."

Read the link if you would like to be informed about Maliki:

Leading up to the US withdrawal from Iraq at the end of 2011, much debate focused on the technical ability of the Iraqi army to secure their country. But intentionally or not, the United States left the Iraqi army in the hands of the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri Al Maliki. And in doing so, provided him an asset in his efforts to consolidate leadership over Iraq and defeat his main political rival, the Iraqiya coalition.

The decision to issue an arrest warrant for Iraqiya member and Vice President Tariq Al Hashimi is a recent example of this ongoing internal struggle for power. But it won't end there.

Over the past seven years, the 14 army divisions have been trained to counter the insurgency within Iraq's borders. The army has developed as an internal security force with its divisions branching out over Iraq's provinces.

Today the Iraqi army is able to permeate across the country. Control over the army and Ministry of Defence are Mr Al Maliki's keys to unlocking access to Iraq.

Through the Ministry of Defence, the prime minister has taken the reins of the army by appointing loyal officers as commanders of key divisions, and operating through army divisions across the country to exercise his national control. Although army officers do not have any official role in Iraqi politics, they are now at the forefront as executors of political agendas.

An Al Maliki-affiliated leadership of army officers has been taking root over the last several years. In a process that started in 2007 and peaked this year, the prime minister surrounded himself with a circle of former army officers. In return for their loyalty, these officers regained the ranks they had once lost under US de-Baathification policies, and were assigned key posts within the army divisions.

The army has filled in gaps that the prime minister's political reach did not cover. Throughout 2011, entire divisions were deployed in the northern provinces where Iraqiya has its stronghold: Anbar, Salahuddin, Ninewa and Diyala. Security has deteriorated in these provinces. And the more security deteriorated, the more the army could increase its presence, widening its control over each of these provinces.

Iraqiya's security and political leadership has also been crippled by a series of assassinations that have targeted key officials. Provincial officials have had to replace their police chiefs according to the instructions of the Ministry of Interior. This process reached a climax in October, when high-ranking army officers in these provinces were arrested for their alleged affiliation with terrorist networks and Baathism.

Parliament is already proving ineffective at preventing the prime minister's consolidation of military and political power. Iraqiya's recent decision to boycott the Council of Ministers and Parliament may backfire. In spite of winning the majority of seats in the 2010 elections, Iraqiya is now left with no anchor in the provinces and no unity in Baghdad


Read more: Maliki's strength grows with the help of a politicised army | The National

 

[NotfooledbyW]

[As I've put up in other posts, IS is the worlds wealthiest and most powerful terrorist army who have been highly successful with every action against Syria and Iraq.

Your 'most powerful terrorist army' may be beating their cowardly feet out of Iraq or getting killed or captured by joint Sunni Tribal and Iraqi Forces.

Note this phrase " Forces from the 1st Brig., along with local tribesmen, " in the following Report:

A joint Iraqi force on Thursday (August 14th) carried out a large-scale operation in Anbar province and took control of several towns that were under "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL) control, Anbar governor Ahmed Khalaf al-Dulaimi said.

Iraqi tribes hand over 48 al-Qaeda-linked elements Iraqi forces thwart ISIL border control bid ..... 17 ISIL gunmen killed in clash with Anbari tribe

Forces from the 1st Brig., along with local tribesmen, managed to recapture the villages of Barawana, al-Zawiya, al-Furat and al-Dhoha less than one week after ISIL took control of them, al-Dulaimi told Al-Shorfa.

The force inflicted heavy losses on ISIL both in lives and assets and forced a large number of gunmen to flee towards nearby al-Qaim, al-Dulaimi said, adding that military operations are under way to track them down.