Obama continues the Liberal Lie about Women's "Rights"...

[mal]

Employers provide these women with the income to go buy any kind of contraception they want. Is your brain too filled with communist propaganda to realize this simple fact?.......

Nope. You don't understand the employer-employee relationship.

And....the shit is too expensive for most Hobby Lobby employees to afford.

You are one special nutter.

Too expensive?

Plan B One-Step Emergency Contraceptive | Walgreens

Fifty bucks. Stop whining.

They'd have to give up they smoke and drank some?... You Heartless ****!



peace...

 

[JoeB131]

What lie?

Women continue to have the Right to make their own Healthcare Decisions...

Including access to Birth Control AND Abortion.

Nothing's Changed.

He's a Lying dbag... Are you Suggesting something's Changed?...



peace...

Unless you need a form of birth control that your employer won't pay for because his magic fairy in the sky thinks it's bad.

Here's the thing. an IUD costs up to $1000.00, and it has uses other than contraception. But when you are a Hobby Lobby Cashier making $9.00 an hour, your pay comes out $18,000 a year before taxes. You have effectively denied that woman the birth control of her choice by putting it out of her ability to afford it.

 

[mal]

What lie?

Women continue to have the Right to make their own Healthcare Decisions...

Including access to Birth Control AND Abortion.

Nothing's Changed.

He's a Lying dbag... Are you Suggesting something's Changed?...



peace...

Unless you need a form of birth control that your employer won't pay for because his magic fairy in the sky thinks it's bad.

Here's the thing. an IUD costs up to $1000.00, and it has uses other than contraception. But when you are a Hobby Lobby Cashier making $9.00 an hour, your pay comes out $18,000 a year before taxes. You have effectively denied that woman the birth control of her choice by putting it out of her ability to afford it.

She has a LOT of options... Including not working @ Hobby Lobby... But if she does, she has these Contraceptive Options that Hobby Lobby pays for:

Male condoms
Female condoms
Diaphragms with spermicide
Sponges with spermicide
Cervical caps with spermicide
Spermicide alone
Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)
Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)
Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)
Contraceptive patches
Contraceptive rings
Progestin injections
Implantable rods
Vasectomies
Female sterilization surgeries
Female sterilization implants

There are reasons to be Against IUDs that don't involve God.

And since I have known and do know many Females in the Hobby Lobby, Target, Walmart, Sprouts realm, I can tell you this about almost all of them...

They are usually more concerned about where they are getting their Drank on while they smoke like a train and pawn their other kid(s) off on Family members.

Take some ******* Responsibility for your "Choices".



peace...

 

[mal]

Women continue to have the Right to make their own Healthcare Decisions...

Including access to Birth Control AND Abortion.

Nothing's Changed.

He's a Lying dbag... Are you Suggesting something's Changed?...



peace...

Unless you need a form of birth control that your employer won't pay for because his magic fairy in the sky thinks it's bad.

Here's the thing. an IUD costs up to $1000.00, and it has uses other than contraception. But when you are a Hobby Lobby Cashier making $9.00 an hour, your pay comes out $18,000 a year before taxes. You have effectively denied that woman the birth control of her choice by putting it out of her ability to afford it.

She has a LOT of options... Including not working @ Hobby Lobby... But if she does, she has these Contraceptive Options that Hobby Lobby pays for:

Male condoms
Female condoms
Diaphragms with spermicide
Sponges with spermicide
Cervical caps with spermicide
Spermicide alone
Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)
Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)
Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)
Contraceptive patches
Contraceptive rings
Progestin injections
Implantable rods
Vasectomies
Female sterilization surgeries
Female sterilization implants

There are reasons to be Against IUDs that don't involve God.

And since I have known and do know many Females in the Hobby Lobby, Target, Walmart, Sprouts realm, I can tell you this about almost all of them...

They are usually more concerned about where they are getting their Drank on while they smoke like a train and pawn their other kid(s) off on Family members.

Take some ******* Responsibility for your "Choices".



peace...

Those 3... Would be good Options for many of these Leeches.



peace...

 

[JoeB131]

Can the Liberals on this Thread just Admit this one thing...

You like Abortion as Contraception and want other People to pay for your Choices... Admit it.

We will go a LOT Further in this Discussion if you could just Admit that.



peace...

Not really.

Your argument would make sense if we were talking about a government program the government pays for.

But health coverage in this case is not 'given". It's not a gift that is given out of the kindness of one's heart. It is part of the compensation package that is earned by the labor of the person doing it.

So, yes, the compensation package for the aforementioned Cashier is $18,000 a year in salary and $5,000 a year in insurance. In most cases, if you are paying for insurance, there's a co-pay you have to make.

Which means in terms of calculation, health insurance is part of the expense of having that employee, which has to be offset by the value of the labor provided by said employee.

So you've got the Greens, who underpay their employees, and sell cheap shit made in China (where abortion is compulsory) and they want to cheat their employees out of some forms of birth control because their tiny little religious minds can't tell the difference between contraception and abortion.

Remember, kiddies, it's only "Class Warfare" when we fight back.

 

[mal]

Can the Liberals on this Thread just Admit this one thing...

You like Abortion as Contraception and want other People to pay for your Choices... Admit it.

We will go a LOT Further in this Discussion if you could just Admit that.



peace...

Not really.

Your argument would make sense if we were talking about a government program the government pays for.

But health coverage in this case is not 'given". It's not a gift that is given out of the kindness of one's heart. It is part of the compensation package that is earned by the labor of the person doing it.

So, yes, the compensation package for the aforementioned Cashier is $18,000 a year in salary and $5,000 a year in insurance. In most cases, if you are paying for insurance, there's a co-pay you have to make.

Which means in terms of calculation, health insurance is part of the expense of having that employee, which has to be offset by the value of the labor provided by said employee.

So you've got the Greens, who underpay their employees, and sell cheap shit made in China (where abortion is compulsory) and they want to cheat their employees out of some forms of birth control because their tiny little religious minds can't tell the difference between contraception and abortion.

Remember, kiddies, it's only "Class Warfare" when we fight back.

Yes really.

If you don't like the Compensation @ Hobby Lobby... Try to do more with your Life or go next door to the other Uneducated Task Market and work there and get your IUD so you don't have to cut into your Party Money.

Your Side's Slow Bleed into Socialism is really starting to Annoy a lot of people.

I'd be Careful how Festered you want the Sleeping Right to become.



peace...

 

[JoeB131]

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She has a LOT of options... Including not working @ Hobby Lobby... But if she does, she has these Contraceptive Options that Hobby Lobby pays for:

Male condoms
Female condoms

Somehow, I don't think that insurance is paying for over the counter items.

[

There are reasons to be Against IUDs that don't involve God.

Not really. BUt again, the best person to make that call are the patient and her doctor, not her boss.

[
And since I have known and do know many Females in the Hobby Lobby, Target, Walmart, Sprouts realm, I can tell you this about almost all of them...

They are usually more concerned about where they are getting their Drank on while they smoke like a train and pawn their other kid(s) off on Family members.
.

And now here's the classist argument. "Those people' don't deserve the privileges the rest of us earn."

You know what, I work weekends at a Chain store as a independent vendor, and I see a lot of these folks you look down on working as cashiers and stuff. and most of them are just folks trying to get by.

And they certainly don't deserve to be screwed over by rich people.

 

[JoeB131]

[
Yes really.

If you don't like the Compensation @ Hobby Lobby... Try to do more with your Life or go next door to the other Uneducated Task Market and work there and get your IUD so you don't have to cut into your Party Money.

Your Side's Slow Bleed into Socialism is really starting to Annoy a lot of people.

I'd be Careful how Festered you want the Sleeping Right to become.



peace...

So what you are saying is working poor people don't deserve health care?

Is this what you are saying, buddy?

Because here's the thing. They could go on welfare and medicaid and get all the contraception they want, but they are trying to better themselves by working, which is what your side says they ought to do. And I agree. Everyone deserves the dignity of a paycheck for a job well done.

Now, here's the thing that is kind of goofed up. Throughout most of history, you were married off in your teens and already starting a family.

Today, we are expected to not even enter the real job market until we are 22 or so, and then we should spend at least five years getting "established" and then you are in your late twenties, early thirties trying to start a family and that biological clock is ticking, baby.

But if you have a baby when you are 18, you are generally looked down upon like you've blown your chances.

 

[mal]

[

She has a LOT of options... Including not working @ Hobby Lobby... But if she does, she has these Contraceptive Options that Hobby Lobby pays for:

Male condoms
Female condoms

Somehow, I don't think that insurance is paying for over the counter items.

[

There are reasons to be Against IUDs that don't involve God.

Not really. BUt again, the best person to make that call are the patient and her doctor, not her boss.

[
And since I have known and do know many Females in the Hobby Lobby, Target, Walmart, Sprouts realm, I can tell you this about almost all of them...

They are usually more concerned about where they are getting their Drank on while they smoke like a train and pawn their other kid(s) off on Family members.
.

And now here's the classist argument. "Those people' don't deserve the privileges the rest of us earn."

You know what, I work weekends at a Chain store as a independent vendor, and I see a lot of these folks you look down on working as cashiers and stuff. and most of them are just folks trying to get by.

And they certainly don't deserve to be screwed over by rich people.

If you are going to Deny what has been Established regarding what Hobby Lobby provides then you simply are not an Honest person.

But then again, I knew that.

As for the Generations that have come since the Me Generation and the Continued Increase in the Feeling of Entitlement...

If it continues, we are Screwed.

Stop your ******* Whining and take some Responsibility for your Life.



peace...

 

[mal]

[
Yes really.

If you don't like the Compensation @ Hobby Lobby... Try to do more with your Life or go next door to the other Uneducated Task Market and work there and get your IUD so you don't have to cut into your Party Money.

Your Side's Slow Bleed into Socialism is really starting to Annoy a lot of people.

I'd be Careful how Festered you want the Sleeping Right to become.



peace...

So what you are saying is working poor people don't deserve health care?

Is this what you are saying, buddy?

Because here's the thing. They could go on welfare and medicaid and get all the contraception they want, but they are trying to better themselves by working, which is what your side says they ought to do. And I agree. Everyone deserves the dignity of a paycheck for a job well done.

Now, here's the thing that is kind of goofed up. Throughout most of history, you were married off in your teens and already starting a family.

Today, we are expected to not even enter the real job market until we are 22 or so, and then we should spend at least five years getting "established" and then you are in your late twenties, early thirties trying to start a family and that biological clock is ticking, baby.

But if you have a baby when you are 18, you are generally looked down upon like you've blown your chances.

Many of the people I know who work in these places Qualify for Medicaid and even more State Benefits from Colorado...

And take Advantage of them.

I know more than a few people who got the "Earned Income Tax Credit" in the form of $2-3000 and they didn't pay a dime in Taxes.

I am more than a little Tired of the ******* Dishonest Whining form the Leeches in this Society.

I live in one of the most Depressed parts of the most Depressed Counties in Colorado... Adams.

Leeches as far as the eye can see with custom wheels on their awesome cars throwing fat BBQs will all the drink and smoke you could want...

And then stand around bitching about how places like Hobby Lobby won't pay for them to Kill their Inconvenience.

**** off with your Tired Talking Points... They match Reality.



peace...

 

[JoeB131]

[
Many of the people I know who work in these places Qualify for Medicaid and even more State Benefits from Colorado...

And take Advantage of them.

I know more than a few people who got the "Earned Income Tax Credit" in the form of $2-3000 and they didn't pay a dime in Taxes.

I am more than a little Tired of the ******* Dishonest Whining form the Leeches in this Society.

I live in one of the most Depressed parts of the most Depressed Counties in Colorado... Adams.

Leeches as far as the eye can see with custom wheels on their awesome cars throwing fat BBQs will all the drink and smoke you could want...

And then stand around bitching about how places like Hobby Lobby won't pay for them to Kill their Inconvenience.

**** off with your Tired Talking Points... They match Reality.

Guy, your party just ran a guy who claimed a $77,000 tax deduction for a dancing horse. which is probably more than you make. It's definitely more than I make working three jobs. You spend all your time worrying about the guys who are lower on the ladder than you pulling you down, I worry about the guys higher up trying to kick me off.

Now, here's the rub. If we got employers out of the game altogether and just gave employees that $5000.00 in additional salary, most young folks wouldn't buy health insurance. they'd actually just pay for their birth control out of pocket.

Employer-based Health Insurance is a nice little device that government, labor and business all support because the alternative would crash in a few years because of the imbalance.

Or we could just do the breathtakingly rational thing and have single payer and everyone gets the same level of health coverage.

 

[mal]

[
Many of the people I know who work in these places Qualify for Medicaid and even more State Benefits from Colorado...

And take Advantage of them.

I know more than a few people who got the "Earned Income Tax Credit" in the form of $2-3000 and they didn't pay a dime in Taxes.

I am more than a little Tired of the ******* Dishonest Whining form the Leeches in this Society.

I live in one of the most Depressed parts of the most Depressed Counties in Colorado... Adams.

Leeches as far as the eye can see with custom wheels on their awesome cars throwing fat BBQs will all the drink and smoke you could want...

And then stand around bitching about how places like Hobby Lobby won't pay for them to Kill their Inconvenience.

**** off with your Tired Talking Points... They match Reality.

Guy, your party just ran a guy who claimed a $77,000 tax deduction for a dancing horse. which is probably more than you make. It's definitely more than I make working three jobs. You spend all your time worrying about the guys who are lower on the ladder than you pulling you down, I worry about the guys higher up trying to kick me off.

Now, here's the rub. If we got employers out of the game altogether and just gave employees that $5000.00 in additional salary, most young folks wouldn't buy health insurance. they'd actually just pay for their birth control out of pocket.

Employer-based Health Insurance is a nice little device that government, labor and business all support because the alternative would crash in a few years because of the imbalance.

Or we could just do the breathtakingly rational thing and have single payer and everyone gets the same level of health coverage.

My guy?... Nope.

And what I have is higher Expectations of my Fellow Man...

You Obviously have Low Expectations of them.

It's what Defines Liberalism.

You Assume Failure and want the System to Cater to it.



peace...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What lie?

Women continue to have the Right to make their own Healthcare Decisions...

Including access to Birth Control AND Abortion.

Nothing's Changed.

He's a Lying dbag... Are you Suggesting something's Changed?...



peace...

Unless you need a form of birth control that your employer won't pay for because his magic fairy in the sky thinks it's bad.

Here's the thing. an IUD costs up to $1000.00, and it has uses other than contraception. But when you are a Hobby Lobby Cashier making $9.00 an hour, your pay comes out $18,000 a year before taxes. You have effectively denied that woman the birth control of her choice by putting it out of her ability to afford it.

Obama will wave a magic wand and the insurance companies will pay for it, but thanks for proving that reality is impervious to you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Can the Liberals on this Thread just Admit this one thing...

You like Abortion as Contraception and want other People to pay for your Choices... Admit it.

We will go a LOT Further in this Discussion if you could just Admit that.



peace...

Not really.

Your argument would make sense if we were talking about a government program the government pays for.

But health coverage in this case is not 'given". It's not a gift that is given out of the kindness of one's heart. It is part of the compensation package that is earned by the labor of the person doing it.

So, yes, the compensation package for the aforementioned Cashier is $18,000 a year in salary and $5,000 a year in insurance. In most cases, if you are paying for insurance, there's a co-pay you have to make.

Which means in terms of calculation, health insurance is part of the expense of having that employee, which has to be offset by the value of the labor provided by said employee.

So you've got the Greens, who underpay their employees, and sell cheap shit made in China (where abortion is compulsory) and they want to cheat their employees out of some forms of birth control because their tiny little religious minds can't tell the difference between contraception and abortion.

Remember, kiddies, it's only "Class Warfare" when we fight back.

If the government isn't paying for it why are there so many subsidies for it in Obamacare?

 

[JoeB131]

Women continue to have the Right to make their own Healthcare Decisions...

Including access to Birth Control AND Abortion.

Nothing's Changed.

He's a Lying dbag... Are you Suggesting something's Changed?...



peace...

Unless you need a form of birth control that your employer won't pay for because his magic fairy in the sky thinks it's bad.

Here's the thing. an IUD costs up to $1000.00, and it has uses other than contraception. But when you are a Hobby Lobby Cashier making $9.00 an hour, your pay comes out $18,000 a year before taxes. You have effectively denied that woman the birth control of her choice by putting it out of her ability to afford it.

Obama will wave a magic wand and the insurance companies will pay for it, but thanks for proving that reality is impervious to you.

Crazy-dude, the Insurance companies don't have a problem paying for it. The insurance companies know paying for contraception is cheaper than paying for birth and pediatric care. They come out on the deal ahead.

 

[JoeB131]

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If the government isn't paying for it why are there so many subsidies for it in Obamacare?

Same reason there are so many subsidies in the insurance programs that preceded ObamaCare, which don't apply here.

 

[JoeB131]

[

My guy?... Nope.

And what I have is higher Expectations of my Fellow Man...

You Obviously have Low Expectations of them.

It's what Defines Liberalism.

You Assume Failure and want the System to Cater to it.



peace...

I assume the wealthy will try to **** the working man at every oppurtunity.

The Greens are a great example. They have no problem with buying from China, but boy, let one of their working stiff try to get an abortion and watch out.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Unless you need a form of birth control that your employer won't pay for because his magic fairy in the sky thinks it's bad.

Here's the thing. an IUD costs up to $1000.00, and it has uses other than contraception. But when you are a Hobby Lobby Cashier making $9.00 an hour, your pay comes out $18,000 a year before taxes. You have effectively denied that woman the birth control of her choice by putting it out of her ability to afford it.

Obama will wave a magic wand and the insurance companies will pay for it, but thanks for proving that reality is impervious to you.

Crazy-dude, the Insurance companies don't have a problem paying for it. The insurance companies know paying for contraception is cheaper than paying for birth and pediatric care. They come out on the deal ahead.

Insurance companies know no such thing, idiot. the only way it will work out that insurance companies save money because of the contraception mandate is if no one ever has a baby again. All the mandate does is add additional caost to the insurance plan, and they still have to pay when the person taking the contraception gets pregnant. Only people who believe in free stuff would fall for a line like that.

Connecticut insurers wary of Obama?s contraceptive plan | The CT Mirror

 

[JoeB131]

Obama will wave a magic wand and the insurance companies will pay for it, but thanks for proving that reality is impervious to you.

Crazy-dude, the Insurance companies don't have a problem paying for it. The insurance companies know paying for contraception is cheaper than paying for birth and pediatric care. They come out on the deal ahead.

Insurance companies know no such thing, idiot. the only way it will work out that insurance companies save money because of the contraception mandate is if no one ever has a baby again. All the mandate does is add additional caost to the insurance plan, and they still have to pay when the person taking the contraception gets pregnant. Only people who believe in free stuff would fall for a line like that.

The mandate does no such thing, as most insurance companies were already covering these costs. Just like most companies have no problem covering Colonoscopies because they are cheaper to treat than cancer.

 

[The Rabbi]

Crazy-dude, the Insurance companies don't have a problem paying for it. The insurance companies know paying for contraception is cheaper than paying for birth and pediatric care. They come out on the deal ahead.

Insurance companies know no such thing, idiot. the only way it will work out that insurance companies save money because of the contraception mandate is if no one ever has a baby again. All the mandate does is add additional caost to the insurance plan, and they still have to pay when the person taking the contraception gets pregnant. Only people who believe in free stuff would fall for a line like that.

The mandate does no such thing, as most insurance companies were already covering these costs. Just like most companies have no problem covering Colonoscopies because they are cheaper to treat than cancer.

Thats actually not true. The cost of universal colonoscopy screening is greater than the cost of treating those with cancer.