Obama Congratulates New Egyptian Pres. Who Says Their New Capital Will Be Jerusalem

[buckeye45_73]

Remember the good old days when after no WMD's were found in Iraq, the warmongering Right fell back on the case that

liberating the Iraqi people and spreading democracy throughout the Middle East were the 'real' reasons getting 4000+ Americans killed was worth it.

Well, was it worth it?

Yeah muslims have been quiet the last 30 years, you hardly know they exist.

 

[Chris]

Don't worry.

Obama is warming up the drones.

 

[Sunni Man]

Most of the organizations listed on this so called terrorist network map are legitimate Muslim support groups based here in the USA.

They have a 501C tax status and are listed with all government agencies and law enforcement.

And have absolutely nothing to do with any terrorist activities.

 

[Chris]

It is not for us to choose the government of Egypt.

But we already have.

Morsi is a figurehead.

The Egyptian military runs Egypt, and we finance the Egyptian military.

 

[Inthemiddle]

How about a credible source? Even Fox News reports that the new President of Egypt is committed to peace with Israel.

 

[mudwhistle]

It is not for us to choose the government of Egypt.

They used Twitter to egg this along.......so I think we did.

 

[mudwhistle]

How about a credible source? Even Fox News reports that the new President of Egypt is committed to peace with Israel.

Suuuuuuure he is.

 

[mudwhistle]

Most of the organizations listed on this so called terrorist network map are legitimate Muslim support groups based here in the USA.

They have a 501C tax status and are listed with all government agencies and law enforcement.

And have absolutely nothing to do with any terrorist activities.

All of them are in the United States.

And the FBI has positively identified them as terrorist organizations.

Hence the title.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I think I warned people about Egypt and the Muslim brotherhood. Now we have a new enemy that use to be our friend so to speak. All because Arab spring was the social flavor event of the month.

 

[Sunni Man]

Most of the organizations listed on this so called terrorist network map are legitimate Muslim support groups based here in the USA.

They have a 501C tax status and are listed with all government agencies and law enforcement.

And have absolutely nothing to do with any terrorist activities.

All of them are in the United States.

And the FBI has positively identified them as terrorist organizations.

Hence the title.

The title is 100% wrong.

I attend meetings with 3 of those you have listed and am a member of 1 of them.

We have even held Law Enforcement Job Fairs with the one I am most closely associated with.

And the F.B.I., TSA. Homeland Security, local and state police, and other Federal and State Agencies, set up job application booths at our event.

True story

 

[Pheonixops]

Pres. Obama welcoming the newly elected leader from the democratic nation of Egypt.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing at all. Maybe President Obama is following this advice:

Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it - It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot......................

ANOTHER LESSON:

America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....

She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.... "

 

[Sunni Man]

For those that are interested;

Here is the English language website of the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) in arabic

Ikhwanweb :: The Muslim Brotherhood Official English Website

 

[Inthemiddle]

How about a credible source? Even Fox News reports that the new President of Egypt is committed to peace with Israel.

Suuuuuuure he is.

Whether he lives up to his word or not remains to be seen. But what do you hope to accomplish by parroting unfounded claims that put words into his mouth?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Yeah, that's the problem with holding elections - the people get to decide.

Egypt voted for the Muslim Brotherhood. Not sure what this has to do with Obama.

 

[francoHFW]

The MB is democratic and nonviolent. Everything you "know" is wrong, dupes.

Fox Smears Mursi with “Jerusalem Capital” Lie (Murphy)
Posted on 06/25/2012 by Juan
Anyone who watches Jon Stewart regularly knows that Fox News deliberately lies and manipulates video to fearmonger on behalf of the American Right wing.

But Dan Murphy of the Christian Science Monitor catches them in a massive scam about Egypt’s new president.

Fox passed off a video of a radical Muslim preacher, Safwat Higazi, as being a speech by Egyptian President Muhammad Mursi. In the speech, the preacher calls for Jerusalem to be the capital of Egypt.

Mursi is an anti-Zionist, but he is a Ph.D. in engineering from USC and not known as a wild man.

Fox Smears Mursi with "Jerusalem Capital" Lie (Murphy) | Informed Comment

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Funny, you liberal moonbats shit yourselves if anybody invokes, if only in passing, anything Christian yet defend a government now run by the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.

Islam is the perfect amalgam of religion and piolitics... something if Christian, you'd spit upon.

You're all such cowards.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Funny, you liberal moonbats shit yourselves if anybody invokes, if only in passing, anything Christian yet defend a government now run by the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.

Islam is the perfect amalgam of religion and piolitics... something if Christian, you'd spit upon.

You're all such cowards.

NOT vomiting out hysterical fear-mongering nonsense isn't the same thing as defending.

Egypt was a dictatorship, and now they have free elections - and someone you don't like won. What exactly do you suggest that we do?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Funny, you liberal moonbats shit yourselves if anybody invokes, if only in passing, anything Christian yet defend a government now run by the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.

Islam is the perfect amalgam of religion and piolitics... something if Christian, you'd spit upon.

You're all such cowards.

NOT vomiting out hysterical fear-mongering nonsense isn't the same thing as defending.

Egypt was a dictatorship, and now they have free elections - and someone you don't like won. What exactly do you suggest that we do?

From a dictatorship to a theocracy Way to go code pink you did it.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Funny, you liberal moonbats shit yourselves if anybody invokes, if only in passing, anything Christian yet defend a government now run by the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.

Islam is the perfect amalgam of religion and piolitics... something if Christian, you'd spit upon.

You're all such cowards.

NOT vomiting out hysterical fear-mongering nonsense isn't the same thing as defending.

Egypt was a dictatorship, and now they have free elections - and someone you don't like won. What exactly do you suggest that we do?

From a dictatorship to a theocracy Way to go code pink you did it.

If a country's citizens vote for a theocracy, that's what they get.

 

[Charles_Main]

This is why I think Lefties are so ******* Naive. They see an uprising in the Middle east and think Peace, and Democracy have come. They have attacked America for years for supporting Dictators, all along we have said we do so because the Alternative could be worse. Low and Behold we are watching that Fact play out.

lol

I am sure if the government of Syria Falls tomorrow the Left wing will Dance and sing about Democracy and give Obama Credit for "freeing Syria" then scratch their Heads when Syria becomes the Next Muslim Theocracy we helped Create.

Exactly why we should have either never went into Iraq, Or never left, Same for Afghan. If we really wanted a Free nation to grow there we needed Generations to make it work. You can't just Topple these guys and expect things will get better.