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What is it, that makes it not a pollutant, even a deadly pollutant in high enough concentrations. Were they fighting global warming in the Republican administration's brand-new agency or pollution and smog?

Now you are being silly here since CO2 is a trace gas level of about 422 ppm far from being a danger to oxygen-based life on the planet heck the plant LOVES the increase.

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Apr 26, 2016

Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds​

From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

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Nov 23, 2020

Greening of the Earth Mitigates Surface Warming​

A new study reports that increased vegetation growth during the recent decades, known as the “Greening Earth”, has a strong cooling effect on the land due to increased efficiency of heat and water vapor transfer to the atmosphere.​


A new study published in the journal Science Advances titled “Biophysical impacts of Earth greening largely controlled by aerodynamic resistance” reports that the entire land surface would have been much warmer without the cooling effect of increased green cover during the recent decades. The study used high-quality satellite data from NASA’s MODIS sensors and NCAR’s state-of-the-art numerical earth system model.

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Hysterical warmist/alarmists never had a case for regulation a trace gas with a minimal warm forcing effect of additional CO2 in the atmosphere.
 

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Obammy had a super majority and didn't save the climate or make Abortion the law of the land
only had it for a few weeks, barely enough time for obamacare.
 

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only had it for a few weeks, barely enough time for obamacare.
Priorities, saving the planet or controlling the people
 

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only had it for a few weeks, barely enough time for obamacare.

Poor Obama, he had 58 or 59 Senators for his first 2 years and couldn't wreck the country.
 

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Poor Obama, he had 58 or 59 Senators for his first 2 years and couldn't wreck the country.
sept 2009 to feb 2010 isnt two years

 

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sept 2009 to feb 2010 isnt two years


In January 2009, Dems had 58. In April 2009, Dems had 59. In July 2009, they had 60.
When did they drop below 58? It wasn't in February 2010.
 

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What is it, that makes it not a pollutant, even a deadly pollutant in high enough concentrations. Were they fighting global warming in the Republican administration's brand-new agency or pollution and smog?
Plants need it to live and humans exhale it. How can it be a pollutant?
 

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Now you are being silly here since CO2 is a trace gas level of about 422 ppm far from being a danger to oxygen-based life on the planet heck the plant LOVES the increase.

NASA

Apr 26, 2016

Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds​

From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

More in the LINK

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NASA

Nov 23, 2020

Greening of the Earth Mitigates Surface Warming​

A new study reports that increased vegetation growth during the recent decades, known as the “Greening Earth”, has a strong cooling effect on the land due to increased efficiency of heat and water vapor transfer to the atmosphere.​


A new study published in the journal Science Advances titled “Biophysical impacts of Earth greening largely controlled by aerodynamic resistance” reports that the entire land surface would have been much warmer without the cooling effect of increased green cover during the recent decades. The study used high-quality satellite data from NASA’s MODIS sensors and NCAR’s state-of-the-art numerical earth system model.

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Hysterical warmist/alarmists never had a case for regulation a trace gas with a minimal warm forcing effect of additional CO2 in the atmosphere.
In higher concentration it produces carbonic acid, and increases the effects of acid rain, as anybody that repeatedly visits the Great Smokey Mountain can tell you, as has been devastating at times to the natural pines at upper elevations.
While not an environmental wacko, as a Tennessean I have admiration for Nixon's Environmental Protection Agency for cleaner air and for cleaner rivers. They were instrumental in forcing regulation of a paper mill across the state line that killed a tumbling mountain stream on our side and coated the rock with dead fish and red stains of the industrial pollutants down stream. My last triple walled (Kevlar, fiber glass, and neoprene with hardened, foamed between each layer) white water open-boat canoe was broken in that beautiful river, now sparkling clear with healthy trout, stain and chemical residue gone the river restored to it natural beauty and now again an asset to the ecosystem, as well as supplying water, power and enhanced tourism. You should get out of town more. Cities suck.
 

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Plants need it to live and humans exhale it. How can it be a pollutant?
While naturally occurring, it can be and is also a pollutant. In the atmosphere the action of sunlight with moisture (we might call it smog) into dilute carbonic acid and when concentration are too high actually kills pines and some hardwoods in upper elevations, where they accumulate in the fog coating the trees for extended time. That fog on the mountain tops is what gives The Great Smokey Mountains their name.
 

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In higher concentration it produces carbonic acid, and increases the effects of acid rain, as anybody that repeatedly visits the Great Smokey Mountain can tell you, as has been devastating at times to the natural pines at upper elevations.
While not an environmental wacko, as a Tennessean I have admiration for Nixon's Environmental Protection Agency for cleaner air and for cleaner rivers. They were instrumental in forcing regulation of a paper mill across the state line that killed a tumbling mountain stream on our side and coated the rock with dead fish and red stains of the industrial pollutants down stream. My last triple walled (Kevlar, fiber glass, and neoprene with hardened, foamed between each layer) white water open-boat canoe was broken in that beautiful river, now sparkling clear with healthy trout, stain and chemical residue gone the river restored to it natural beauty and now again an asset to the ecosystem, as well as supplying water, power and enhanced tourism. You should get out of town more. Cities suck.

LOL, you really should slow down because CO2 doesn't cause Acid Rain from the EPA,

What Causes Acid Rain?​


Acid rain results when sulfur dioxide (SO2) and nitrogen oxides (NOX) are emitted into the atmosphere and transported by wind and air currents. The SO2 and NOX react with water, oxygen and other chemicals to form sulfuric and nitric acids. These then mix with water and other materials before falling to the ground.

While a small portion of the SO2 and NOX that cause acid rain is from natural sources such as volcanoes, most of it comes from the burning of fossil fuels. The major sources of SO2 and NOX in the atmosphere are:

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While naturally occurring, it can be and is also a pollutant. In the atmosphere the action of sunlight with moisture (we might call it smog) into dilute carbonic acid and when concentration are too high actually kills pines and some hardwoods in upper elevations, where they accumulate in the fog coating the trees for extended time. That fog on the mountain tops is what gives The Great Smokey Mountains their name.

Again, you are incorrect since CO2 does NOT create acid rain, you should stop promoting this nonsense it is a lie which should stop.

Increased CO2 in the air doesn't kill plants they grow more efficiently on less water.

Why did you ignore the two links from NASA showing that CO2 is a big booster to life on the planet?

Care to acknowledge them at POST 21

You foolishly call CO2 a pollutant which you provided exactly ZERO evidence to support your absurd assertion CO2 a building block of life and essential for the Photosynthesis process yet gets demonized by ignorant stupid people.

From the EPA

Measuring Acid Rain​

Acidity and alkalinity are measured using a pH scale for which 7.0 is neutral. The lower a substance's pH (less than 7), the more acidic it is; the higher a substance's pH (greater than 7), the more alkaline it is. Normal rain has a pH of about 5.6; it is slightly acidic because carbon dioxide (CO2) dissolves into it forming weak carbonic acid. Acid rain usually has a pH between 4.2 and 4.4.

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In January 2009, Dems had 58. In April 2009, Dems had 59. In July 2009, they had 60.
When did they drop below 58? It wasn't in February 2010.
 

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While naturally occurring, it can be and is also a pollutant. In the atmosphere the action of sunlight with moisture (we might call it smog) into dilute carbonic acid and when concentration are too high actually kills pines and some hardwoods in upper elevations, where they accumulate in the fog coating the trees for extended time. That fog on the mountain tops is what gives The Great Smokey Mountains their name.
Drinking too much water can kill you. Is H2O a pollutant? You have to be a fucking moron to believe CO2 is a pollutant.
 

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While naturally occurring, it can be and is also a pollutant. In the atmosphere the action of sunlight with moisture (we might call it smog) into dilute carbonic acid and when concentration are too high actually kills pines and some hardwoods in upper elevations, where they accumulate in the fog coating the trees for extended time. That fog on the mountain tops is what gives The Great Smokey Mountains their name.
Calling CO2 a pollutant doesn't change the fact the clean air act isn't a climate act and that's the reason CO2 was called a pollutant. Not because of pollution. Because of climate change.

If you believe as Obama does that this is the most important thing then drop everything and pass a climate act. But they can't. Because their own party won't vote for it. So let's just circumvent the constitution. What could possibly go wrong? Trump circumventing the constitution too? Nah. That would never happen. :rolleyes:
 

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Drinking too much water can kill you. Is H2O a pollutant? You have to be a fucking moron to believe CO2 is a pollutant.
Go look at the trees, that grew tall, healthy and strong, turned brown, and decide. You don't have to take my word for it. It's a free country.
 

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Calling CO2 a pollutant doesn't change the fact the clean air act isn't a climate act and that's the reason CO2 was called a pollutant. Not because of pollution. Because of climate change.

If you believe as Obama does that this is the most important thing then drop everything and pass a climate act. But they can't. Because their own party won't vote for it. So let's just circumvent the constitution. What could possibly go wrong? Trump circumventing the constitution too? Nah. That would never happen. :rolleyes:
I don't think climate change was any more the reason for the clean air act than you do. Still, there are aspects that could be construed that way, but at a later date, when man-made or influenced climate change became a fear, driving environmentalists and other.
I have no problem with the Supreme Court decision as long as it does not push us back to the days of heavy smog and sometimes stinging eyes, seen near coal burning heavy industrial cities, just to make a buck, cheaper.
 

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Go look at the trees, that grew tall, healthy and strong, turned brown, and decide. You don't have to take my word for it. It's a free country.
Which trees? Where? deciduous trees turn brown every autumn, moron
 

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I don't think climate change was any more the reason for the clean air act than you do. Still, there are aspects that could be construed that way, but at a later date, when man-made or influenced climate change became a fear, driving environmentalists and other.
I have no problem with the Supreme Court decision as long as it does not push us back to the days of heavy smog and sometimes stinging eyes, seen near coal burning heavy industrial cities, just to make a buck, cheaper.
There is no honest way to construe CO2 as a pollutant, period.
 

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