Obama blames the rise of the machines for high unemployment.

[Steelplate]

More rightwing misdirection

Obama is not advocating elimination of ATMs or airport kiosks. he only points to them as an example of where technology advancements have eliminated jobs previously done by people.

And I ask again, so what?

So what? are ******* blind or stupid? You tell me... because I am at a loss.

No one is saying that technology and robotics are a bad thing.... just that, if you are going to have such labor saving devices.... then one has a RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that REAL PEOPLE are still being taken care of financially.

Like I proposed before.. what if most industries become "lights out" facilities that require little to no human intervention? **** those former "productive people"... right?

In short... Conservatives are setting themselves up in their own demise... they are just to damned stubborn to realize it. When it happens(and it will) there won't be much of anything in the way of jobs.... It will go back to the days of "Company stores, Company towns, and Company lifestyles".

Tennessee Ernie Ford said it best in his song... "16 Tons", which was referring to the Coal Mining Trade at the time.

"You load 16 tons, what do you get? Another Day Older and deeper in debt... St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go... I owe my soul to the Company Store".

This is what you are gradually advocating. it will take time to undo the work that Collective Bargaining has done over the decades... but make no mistake.... that is the goal of the Conglomerate. To maximize their profits and minimize the value of labor.

 

[blu]

More rightwing misdirection

Obama is not advocating elimination of ATMs or airport kiosks. he only points to them as an example of where technology advancements have eliminated jobs previously done by people.

And I ask again, so what?

So what? are ******* blind or stupid? You tell me... because I am at a loss.

No one is saying that technology and robotics are a bad thing.... just that, if you are going to have such labor saving devices.... then one has a RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that REAL PEOPLE are still being taken care of financially.

Like I proposed before.. what if most industries become "lights out" facilities that require little to no human intervention? **** those former "productive people"... right?

In short... Conservatives are setting themselves up in their own demise... they are just to damned stubborn to realize it. When it happens(and it will) there won't be much of anything in the way of jobs.... It will go back to the days of "Company stores, Company towns, and Company lifestyles".

Tennessee Ernie Ford said it best in his song... "16 Tons", which was referring to the Coal Mining Trade at the time.

"You load 16 tons, what do you get? Another Day Older and deeper in debt... St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go... I owe my soul to the Company Store".

This is what you are gradually advocating. it will take time to undo the work that Collective Bargaining has done over the decades... but make no mistake.... that is the goal of the Conglomerate. To maximize their profits and minimize the value of labor.

life will be great when we only need scientists and engineers to thrive and perform new research while robots do the rest of the work. all the dumbasses will die off due to lack of brain power / formal education and the world will really advance

 

[ShackledNation]

More rightwing misdirection

Obama is not advocating elimination of ATMs or airport kiosks. he only points to them as an example of where technology advancements have eliminated jobs previously done by people.

And I ask again, so what?

So what? are ******* blind or stupid? You tell me... because I am at a loss.

No one is saying that technology and robotics are a bad thing.... just that, if you are going to have such labor saving devices.... then one has a RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that REAL PEOPLE are still being taken care of financially.

Like I proposed before.. what if most industries become "lights out" facilities that require little to no human intervention? **** those former "productive people"... right?

In short... Conservatives are setting themselves up in their own demise... they are just to damned stubborn to realize it. When it happens(and it will) there won't be much of anything in the way of jobs.... It will go back to the days of "Company stores, Company towns, and Company lifestyles".

Tennessee Ernie Ford said it best in his song... "16 Tons", which was referring to the Coal Mining Trade at the time.

"You load 16 tons, what do you get? Another Day Older and deeper in debt... St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go... I owe my soul to the Company Store".

This is what you are gradually advocating. it will take time to undo the work that Collective Bargaining has done over the decades... but make no mistake.... that is the goal of the Conglomerate. To maximize their profits and minimize the value of labor.

But what everyone has been saying contrary to your opinion is that those people don't stay unemployed, and these machines do not result in net unemployment. People need to make the machines, to build the machines, and because machines make cost of production cheaper, more goods can be produced, which lowers prices, gives people higher real wages, and allows more money to be spent on other goods. Employment will increase in those industries as a result. There is no net job loss, just of shift of where people work.

Simply saying they eliminate jobs is ignoring the whole picture. These machines also create many new jobs and give work to people who would not have had work before. To say they eliminate jobs insinuates they do not create any. Which is completely false. That is the point, and that is why Obama's statement is out of touch with reality.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No... you will have more people without jobs. That is a given. What' not a given is that there will be other jobs(especially family sustaining jobs) out there. Throw in the trend of outsourcing and you have a severe job deficit with a growing population. All in the name of making a small group of people VERY RICH at the expense of everyone else. Why do you guys vote for a downward spiral that funnels money upward? It's counter intuitive.

What is your solution, send everyone back to the stone age?

Not at all... My solution is to quit thinking that Billionaires deserve all they can get and everyday people should just be happy they have a job... even one that don't even pay for their essentials.

That's not a solution, it is a whine.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Ok.... Wow... you are a hothead. I guess I'm on your ignore list now... sorry for missing your post... and if you choose to look back in the posts... I was responding to a person named avatar... and you defended him, which is fine... you can defend anyone you want to... but unfortunately, I screwed up and thought you were avatar when I responded with the "Where have you met me half way" post.

So... at the risk of you not seeing this because I am now on your ignore list(which really doesn't bother me all that much), I will answer you.

What do you propose to do with those people who cannot lead? Are they screwed? Do they only deserve a life of poverty and want, or are they our fellow citizens that deserve a decent life too?

Ethanol subsidies? Ok... that is one of MANY ways our Government panders to the wealthy... but some of those people are not wealthy... they are mom and pop farmers trying to compete against full scale agribusiness. How about we end subsidies for Agribusiness, but keep them for family farms?

I can preach to you about the needs of the disabled. I have worked in the field since Reagan was in office and I have seen our resources dwindle and the calls for privatization rise. I have also seen the results of the trend. Private sector "Group Homes" are now what State Institutions Used to be in the 70's. They are staffed by minimum wage, unskilled people doing a job that requires much more training than these "for profit" entities are willing to provide. Plus, who gives a shit if you lose a minimum wage job? Lose a state job with benefits... that's a different story. You are going to tow the line a hell of a lot better.

Most of our Homeless problem is mentally ill people with no place to go. Reagan nearly killed Federal Funding to Mental Health Facilities... that put them on the street.

I am very sorry about your sister. But just because your sister is disabled does not make you an expert on what is happening around you.

Haha Thankfully I hadn't even had a chance to get to the ignore feature yet. Sounds like reading comprehension may in fact be in order if you were confused who you were talking too. Anyways onto the topic.

I think I was clear but if not let me reiterate my position. I'm against "ALL" corporate welfare. The free market should determine what is successful and what isn't.
As far as those that can't lead there are temporary safety nets available to them to help them until they rebound. ie food stamps, unemployment checks, Financial aid for families with children, etc. Other than that its not the govts job to find them employment.

I was a ward of the state from the age of 7 and I basically grew up in the system you work in. And as I clearly stated I have no problem with programs for those that can't help themselves. As far as funding goes, its kinda hard to hope for more when Obama spent everything we had and then some on such life changing programs as cash for clunkers and 2 billion for Egypt to help create jobs. Your party has had control of the purse strings for quite some time so to blame the right for lack of funding when you had control of the bank account for so long is disengiuness at best.
It was my step-daughter with CP (reading comprehension?)

The problem is... the market isn't really free when big corporations have such a huge head start from previous pandering. You can't just wipe the slate clean and expect new growth to flourish when the "haves" of the business community already have virtual monopolistic entities. Those huge conglomerates need broken up. It's kind of like clear cutting a forest to allow for new growth.

I'm not blaming the "right" alone... I am blaming Politics. Both sides are beholden to larger entities than the general citizenry. If you think that those policies should continue because it happens to benefit Right Wing candidates more at this point in time... I don't know what to tell you. But the simple truth is... to be a Candidate... you need Money... Lots of it. Corporations have lots of money... but they want something in return for that money.... influence buying and favorable legislation. This is where America has taken a turn for the worse over the last 30 years or so.

We need to turn America back to a "We the People" nation, rather than a "We the people with the most money". Because our middle class is collapsing and our poor are growing because of this crazy methodology. Both sides are to blame.

Look logically(not emotionally) at the Health Care Law. With our current situation...Spending 1st... quality... 30-something... A single payer system was the way to go... At the very least.. having a Public OPTION would have added teeth to the Health Care law.

It would have given small business a huge break to compete with the big boys in terms of cost effectiveness. Let's suppose you are a young man... just starting out with a wife and a kid on the way.... You have two job offers(to make it simple). One is with a huge conglomerate where you are just an anonymous employee that pays benefits... and the other is with a small company that has decent potential... but can't afford to pay benefits... who are you going to go with? Let's take it another route... you are an employee of the Conglomerate.. but you absolutely hate your job... but they pay you pretty well and they supply you with Health Care at a minimal cost. Some co-worker that is just as sick of the BS as you says... let's start a business of our own! You'd need to hire ohhh.. let's say 50 people to get it off the ground, but you can't get them because they need Health insurance for their families and you can't provide that.

THAT is what the Health Care Law was supposed to do. Give Small business a tool to compete... but the Corporate Sponsored Media and their multi-billion dollar marketing campaign for the status quo suckered so many people into the "Socialism" thing that the law never got the teeth that it needed.

As far as the mistake of your STEP DAUGHTER... sorry about that... but the point still remains.

I mostly agree with your first 2.5 paragraphs. But the rest well have to agree to disagree.

 

[Steelplate]

What is your solution, send everyone back to the stone age?

Not at all... My solution is to quit thinking that Billionaires deserve all they can get and everyday people should just be happy they have a job... even one that don't even pay for their essentials.

That's not a solution, it is a whine.

No... what is a whine is thinking a small part of your (probably minimal) tax dollars supports someone who doesn't work. even though a much larger part supports people who either can't or have fallen on temporary bad times.

In short... for every person you show that is abusing the system, I can probably(with enough effort) show 50 that isn't.

But much like your side's speculation that everyone on welfare is a deadbeat... My speculation is that the vast majority of the people on what you call welfare are either handicapped to the point of being non-productive.... or temporarily in need of said services.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So what? are ******* blind or stupid? You tell me... because I am at a loss.

No one is saying that technology and robotics are a bad thing.... just that, if you are going to have such labor saving devices.... then one has a RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that REAL PEOPLE are still being taken care of financially.

We should tax everyone who uses an ATM, computer, ticket kiosk, or any other labor saving device in order to support people who are too stupid to find a job because of technology.

UOTE=Steelplate;3764842] Like I proposed before.. what if most industries become "lights out" facilities that require little to no human intervention? **** those former "productive people"... right?[/quote]

That has been happening for years. Somebody here was just complaining about the lack of innovation in the US. I turn around and you are whining about the innovation. Both of you blame conservatives.

UOTE=Steelplate;3764842]In short... Conservatives are setting themselves up in their own demise... they are just to damned stubborn to realize it. When it happens(and it will) there won't be much of anything in the way of jobs.... It will go back to the days of "Company stores, Company towns, and Company lifestyles".

Tennessee Ernie Ford said it best in his song... "16 Tons", which was referring to the Coal Mining Trade at the time.

"You load 16 tons, what do you get? Another Day Older and deeper in debt... St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go... I owe my soul to the Company Store".

This is what you are gradually advocating. it will take time to undo the work that Collective Bargaining has done over the decades... but make no mistake.... that is the goal of the Conglomerate. To maximize their profits and minimize the value of labor.[/QUOTE]

I do see something here, but it is not what you see. What I see is a group of people that want to blame all the worlds problems on a specific group of people just because you think you are smarter than they are. You're not, you are just as silly and blind as they are.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I haven't listened to the comments but coming from Fox i would expect nothing but BS.

Quit being a hack and just watch the second video. Ignore the commentary if you like but listen to Obama in his own words.

 

[boedicca]

Obama blames the rise of the machines for high unemployment.

The reason Obama's speeches have to be scripted is because left on his own he'll spew crap that proves he's completely out of touch with the real world. Turn the teleprompter off and he's a complete idiot.

He's not that bright with the Teleprompter On.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Not at all... My solution is to quit thinking that Billionaires deserve all they can get and everyday people should just be happy they have a job... even one that don't even pay for their essentials.

That's not a solution, it is a whine.

No... what is a whine is thinking a small part of your (probably minimal) tax dollars supports someone who doesn't work. even though a much larger part supports people who either can't or have fallen on temporary bad times.

In short... for every person you show that is abusing the system, I can probably(with enough effort) show 50 that isn't.

But much like your side's speculation that everyone on welfare is a deadbeat... My speculation is that the vast majority of the people on what you call welfare are either handicapped to the point of being non-productive.... or temporarily in need of said services.

Tell you what, go find all the posts I made about people abusing the system by not working, then come back here. After you do that you can address the points I am actually making here, which is that your theory that automation is bad is so far off that you have to resort to accusing me of saying things I am not.

 

[oreo]

YouTube - ‪Obama Blames High Unemployment on the ATM and Automation #atmfacts‬‏

YouTube - ‪Obama claims atms are killing jobs‬‏


Are you kidding? Look at all the jobs the machines create: invent, production, program with updates, maintain, market & sell, fill. Look at the money in production time they save us. All versus the 1 teller they "may" replace.
It's just sad that our president is so eager to excuse away his own inept policies that his excuse is just as pathetic as the results of his policies.

Look how many jobs from machines--were stolen from Obama-- He must have not known that what took thousands of men with shovels to build roads in bridges in the 1930's can now be done with a couple of those dang heavy equipment operators--

 

[Steelplate]

I mostly agree with your first 2.5 paragraphs. But the rest well have to agree to disagree.

What part don't you agree with? the point that health care is more of a benefit to the Conglomerate than it is to the worker? look at the history of employer based health care and the direction it's turned.

Furthermore... look at the educational system and the direction it's turned... It used to be that people could get degrees... even Bachelor's degrees with little sacrifice. But now.... it's to the point that most people end up with 75-100K in debt by the time they graduate from a 4 year program.

That is a huge advantage to entities that want employees to stick around for a while, isn't it? Take a man/woman... who just got married out of college.. perhaps has a kid on the way... take the health care problem that I already spoke of... and add it to the debt that the said person acquired getting their education.... we are talking a huge advantage to the "already established" Conglomerate vs. the upstarts.

It's all about keeping the status quo and removing any potential competition. That's why I call your "Free Market" Capitalism a total farce. It's not Capitalism... it's Conformity and monopolistic endeavors.

 

[OmniRocky]

"Let them eat cake." - Obama

 

[OmniRocky]

This really reminds me of the comments he made last month, where he told us that the issue isn't uncertainty. That companies just need to start hiring. YouTube - ‪Obama on jobs: "It's time for companies to step up"‬‏

He just doesn't understand how this economy works. He's got businesses large and small convinced he's going to punish them with more taxes, so why invest now? It's like he's saying, 'It's not my policies, it's just that the companies won't step up.' And now it's, 'Well, the machines have taken over.' Fingers pointed every which way except at him.

 

[ShackledNation]

Obama=why Keynes was wrong.

 

[oreo]

YouTube - ‪Obama Blames High Unemployment on the ATM and Automation #atmfacts‬‏

YouTube - ‪Obama claims atms are killing jobs‬‏


Are you kidding? Look at all the jobs the machines create: invent, production, program with updates, maintain, market & sell, fill. Look at the money in production time they save us. All versus the 1 teller they "may" replace.
It's just sad that our president is so eager to excuse away his own inept policies that his excuse is just as pathetic as the results of his policies.

Now I want all you liberals to give up those dang android aka smart phones. Don't you know how many of those traveling salesmen--selling encyclopidia's you're putting out of a job?

 

[grunt11b]

Someone should tell Obama that ATM's where around long before he came along, and they did not effect the economy then, all of a sudden they are now?

 

[Urkie]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that advancement in technology will make some jobs obsolete.

And it is relevant to the current situation when you factor in that we've also fallen behind in producing engineers. All of these advancements in technology are being made by China or Japan and not the US (I'm not even talking about ATM's). These are the jobs that are growing rapidly and are in high demand.

I get tired of conservatives going back to one of their cliches and say oh "these companies are not hiring because they're worried about potential tax increases." No, it's not that or at most that's a small part of it. The fact is that our education system now sucks in this country and we're not producing engineers who are in high demand at virtually any company. If you have more engineers then the company becomes more efficient, more profitable and in turn they can hire more people in other areas of the company. It's a lot more complex then companies being worried about taxes going up.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that advancement in technology will make some jobs obsolete.

And it is relevant to the current situation when you factor in that we've also fallen behind in producing engineers. All of these advancements in technology are being made by China or Japan and not the US (I'm not even talking about ATM's). These are the jobs that are growing rapidly and are in high demand.

I get tired of conservatives going back to one of their cliches and say oh "these companies are not hiring because they're worried about potential tax increases." No, it's not that or at most that's a small part of it. The fact is that our education system now sucks in this country and we're not producing engineers who are in high demand at virtually any company. If you have more engineers then the company becomes more efficient, more profitable and in turn they can hire more people in other areas of the company. It's a lot more complex then companies being worried about taxes going up.

well now that you've cleared it up for all of us dummies we can rest easy.

 

[Samson]

It's not even remotely related to the problem. These evil machines have been around for decades. Last time I checked they weren't recently invented to replace anyone. It's just reaching. It's a ridiculous distraction that the main steam media didn't even have the balls to call him on. I defy you to tell me the media isn't in his pocket after all the years of calling GWB stupid.

the media isn't in his pocket after all the years of calling GWB stupid.

Its good to see somebody putting effort into their posts....