NY activist judges allow same sex marriage
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Bullypulpit said:
On the contrary, they are proven fact. Have you any scientific data to dispute them? Bear in mind, I mean something other than the preposterous arguments that male-on-male sex doesn't necessarily constitute homosexuality, or that the numbers fail to take bisexuality into account, or that pedophilia is just pedophilia and we needn't take any other information into account, or that the sun got in your eyes, or any of the other pathetic tripe I've heard from the opposition thus far.
Bullypulpit
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musicman said:
The simple fact is that you are a bigot. Like all bigots, you select a group which represents the worst characteristics of humanity in general and the worst stereotypes of homosexuals. So, no matter what facts are presented to you, you will deny them vehemently because they do not fit neatly into your pitiably narrow view of the world.
As for facts, I have learned from my own experiences that there is no "homosexual agenda" beyond the desire for equal ptrotection under the law. The only threat posed lies in your own feverish imagination and your own fears and insecurities. No gay man I have ever met has expressed snything but disgust for the pedophiles you parade about as if they were the norm. That is nothing more than the projection of your own unspoken fears on others.
So you, and your fellow travelers, continue to sit in your wallows of fear and loathing...The world will continue about its business and leave you behind.
Bullypulpit
Senior Member
Johnney said:
Tell me, have you never changed your mind about an important issue based on new information which supplants that which you previously possessed? You don't have to answer, it's a rhetorical question. Of course you've never changed your mind.
It's time to grow up and put away childish things.
Bully:
Damn, you use a lot of words, saying nothing! I'll ask you again - do you have any scientific data to refute the conclusions of this study? That's the only thing at issue, regarding this particular conversation. You're not falling into that old crap from the liberal handbook ("if you can't present a decent argument on the basis of facts, discredit your opponent"), are you?
I truly thought better of you. And you - an Ohioan! This is a fine example you're setting, Bully!
Damn, you use a lot of words, saying nothing! I'll ask you again - do you have any scientific data to refute the conclusions of this study? That's the only thing at issue, regarding this particular conversation. You're not falling into that old crap from the liberal handbook ("if you can't present a decent argument on the basis of facts, discredit your opponent"), are you?
I truly thought better of you. And you - an Ohioan! This is a fine example you're setting, Bully!
but i will answer anywayBullypulpit said:
i may change my mind, but its usually about...say... dinner? what to watch on tv when i do watch it.
tell me this. did you use this same way of thinking when kerry was trying to get into the white house?
CivilLiberty
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musicman said:
No, they are UTTER FALSEHOODS that you continue to spew.
musicman said:
I presented to you SEVERAL PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES.
You have presented nothing but the ramblings of a bigoted and intolerant hate monger, the defrocked Cameron, who NO ONE in the scientific community lends ANY credence nor credibility too.
The fact that you are only willing to view his misrepresentations and outright lies displays your contempt for the truth, and lays the foundation for your intolerance, bigotry and hatred.
Kindest Regards,
Andy
OCA
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Oh boy we have seen the light at the end of the tunnel now. The pro queer side is claiming that the legitimate findings of a scientist are illegitimate just because the APA under pressure from the HLCP leadership decided he was a bigot because his findings don't jive with their agenda(yes Bully there is an agenda). What a load of shit, no facts have been offered to counter Cameron's findings(Civil's were highly suspect to say the least) and all that has been offered that anybody who doesn't agree with the HLCP is a bigot.
Typical liberalism.
Now, Nakey in particular, is arguing that because homosexuality is found in animals that it must be natural in humans, well many animals also **** whatever female of their species crosses their path, i'd like to do that too, can I? You are all so dense that you don't even realize that you are arguing for anarchy. Society must have limits, must have parameters or else we are all just running amok. Gay marriage is outside the parameters.
Then we have the comparison of Blacks to gays, one is born their color, one makes their choice in life, my 7 year old son realizes this.
Even if homosexuality is ever proven to be genetic it still is no excuse for we have the ability to reason between right and wrong and we ALL know homosexuality is wrong.
Face it pro queer posters, you are cornered and there is no way out.
Typical liberalism.
Now, Nakey in particular, is arguing that because homosexuality is found in animals that it must be natural in humans, well many animals also **** whatever female of their species crosses their path, i'd like to do that too, can I? You are all so dense that you don't even realize that you are arguing for anarchy. Society must have limits, must have parameters or else we are all just running amok. Gay marriage is outside the parameters.
Then we have the comparison of Blacks to gays, one is born their color, one makes their choice in life, my 7 year old son realizes this.
Even if homosexuality is ever proven to be genetic it still is no excuse for we have the ability to reason between right and wrong and we ALL know homosexuality is wrong.
Face it pro queer posters, you are cornered and there is no way out.
CivilLiberty
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OCA said:
No, Cameron's findings are illegitimate because he is a charlatan. He was dismissed NOT ONLY by the APA, but also the NPA and the ASA.
Further, a FEDERAL COURT found him to be a liar and misrepresenter of the facts:
Court ruling regarding Cameron:<i>
"(i) his sworn statement that "homosexuals are approximately 43 times more apt to commit crimes than is the general population" is a total distortion of the Kinsey data upon which he relies which, as is obvious to anyone who reads the report, concerns data from a non-representative sample of delinquent homosexuals (and Dr. Cameron compares this group to college and non-college heterosexuals);
(ii) his sworn statement that "homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals" is based upon the same distorted data and, the Court notes, is directly contrary to other evidence presented at trial besides the testimony of Dr. Simon and Dr. Marmour. (553 F. Supp. 1121 at 1130 n.18.)"
[Baker v. Wade, 106 Federal Rules Decisions 526 (N.D. Texas, 1985).]</i>
You people are only willing to view the lies and distortions of Cameron, while there are AMPLE peer reviewed studies by DOZENS of other professional research teams, including the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT that debunk Cameron's "theories".
Cameron is no more a "scientist" than Pat Robertson. But since it appears that Cameron is the ONLY one out there attempting to make a "scientific" basis for your hate mongering (albeit on a fraudulent basis), he's the only one you bigots care to cite.
It makes a laughing stock of all of you.
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MJDuncan1982
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CivilLiberty said:Cameron is no more a "scientist" than Pat Robertson. But since it appears that Cameron is the ONLY one out there attempting to make a "scientific" basis for your hate mongering (albeit on a fraudulent basis), he's the only one you bigots care to cite.
It makes a laughing stock of all of you.
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Yea I gotta say that it seems that this guy is not credible. Which is more likely?: 1 - There is a VAST left wing conspiracy involving multiple organizations and parts of the judicial branch to push a homosexual agenda or 2 - This guy is not credible.
All the conservatives I know usually adhere to Ockham's Razor.
Please see post#212 forr a brief summary of Civil Liberty's "peer review studies".
I don't blame these people for trying to twist the facts - the facts are devastating.
This is the liberal M.O. - right out of the handbook: When you can't muster a decent argument on the basis of the facts, discredit your opponent.
If we cannot proceed from the assumption that male-on-male sex is homosexuality, we're not really going to get anywhere. But, then - that's the general idea, isn't it? Dilute, deflect, misdirect.
Civil Liberty thought he was going to descend upon this board and have fun, slapping around some slack-jawed, ignorant conservatives. But every time he tries to slap one of us, he draws back a bloody stump. I don't know how the man keeps going - he's running out of parts!
I don't blame these people for trying to twist the facts - the facts are devastating.
This is the liberal M.O. - right out of the handbook: When you can't muster a decent argument on the basis of the facts, discredit your opponent.
If we cannot proceed from the assumption that male-on-male sex is homosexuality, we're not really going to get anywhere. But, then - that's the general idea, isn't it? Dilute, deflect, misdirect.
Civil Liberty thought he was going to descend upon this board and have fun, slapping around some slack-jawed, ignorant conservatives. But every time he tries to slap one of us, he draws back a bloody stump. I don't know how the man keeps going - he's running out of parts!
MissileMan
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musicman said:
The trouble is that you are trying to lump adult male-on-adult male sex with adult male-on-juvenile male sex and call it all homosexuality. We call adult male-on-juvenile female sex pedophilia, not heterosexuality. You are holding homosexuals to a different standard to further your argument. The only assumption we need to proceed from is that adult-on-juvenile sex is pedophilia, no matter the sex of the offender or victim.
MissileMan said:
All I'm saying is that the sexual preference can exist simultaneously with pedophilia. It's not irrelevant to pedophilia. I realize we don't often speak of "heterosexual pedophiles" - perhaps because, in the absence of any other designation, that's a given. An ACTUAL MAJORITY of child molestations are, after all, of the heterosexual variety.
But, that doesn't make the sexual preference of the pedophile irrelevant to the discussion, MM. There are many who would LIKE it to be - it helps them skew what are, in fact, some pretty damned scary numbers. Those numbers are scary because they reveal a disturbing truth about homosexuality. Let's never try to run from the truth in the name of semantics.
CivilLiberty
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musicman said:
No bloody stumps, all limbs intact, thank you very much.
Not here for fun. Information, as I've said in the past numerous times.
I have gained a great deal of knowledge being here, and debating with you folks.
For instance, I wasn't even aware of Paul Cameron till he blipped up on my radar screen in this very thread.
And I had wondered where these "stats" were coming from that the anti gay people were tossing around. Now I have found the Nexus. It's Cameron, and it is Cameron's discredited studies that you are all clinging to. And it appears that it is ONLY Cameron who you can turn to for "support" in your hatred.
I find this fascinating.
Now as it happens, I am reading the bible, NIV. I see in Leviticus the proscription against man/man sex (interesting that lesbian sex is NOT proscribed). If you want to state here that you hate homosexuality because they are against the bible, I'm fine with that. However, our secular government cannot allow these religious beliefs to become law, as there is no secular need to outlaw homosexuality.
Obviously, Paul Cameron has attempted to "create" a secular basis for such a law. And you are all parroting him as if to make it true.
But you're parroting lies.
Kindest Regards,
Andy
nakedemperor
Senior Member
OCA said:
Its like slamming my head against a brick wall talking to you OCA.
Here's what I've said twice on this thread, and many other times on others threads, in posts that I know you've read because you've quoted them. Direct quote:
nakedemperor said:
Now, I know you love to misrepresent what I've said, like saying that I argued homosexuality in nature means its ok. When I said the opposite, twice, SPECIFICALLY pointing out that i WASN'T saying the argument that homosexuality is found in nature argues for if it is "right" or "good".
Please, I beg of you, read this post in its entirety so you understand what i'm saying and you don't misquote me aga--OCA? Are you there?
OCA?
Come back!
*sigh*
nakedemperor
Senior Member
musicman said:
Musicman, what Andy's done is showed you that 3 major (THE major) pyschology and sociology groups have said that Cameron's findings and opinion are not scientific and he is not a legimiate sociologist and psychologist. Moreover, he's shown that an American court of law has stated that Cameron misrepresented data and outright lied-- not in one case or another, but about the exact data you're using to support your ridiculous claims about gays.
If Andy's calling him "names", than lets go over the "names" that the APA, the courts, et al. have called him: "guilty", "not a sociologist", "fraud", etc. etc.
So he's not just "playing with numbers"; he's telling you that a U.S. COURT said the numbers were invalid! What more do you want??
CivilLiberty
Active Member
nakedemperor said:
He want to bury his head in the lies, like an ostrich in the sand, hoping the truth won't see him because the lies make him invisible!
Heh.
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