Nuclear rights of Iranian nation.

[Zavulon]

Line them with lead.

Lead sheet about 1 cm thick decrease gamma-radiation cfrom, say, Cobalt-60 only twice. To really hide nuclear device one need something like a big truck and even this a
may not be enough, you need smart planning and actual intel on positions of enemies detectors.

By the time its supposedly detected then what. The bomber can still set it off. There is no way to prevent this. We are avoiding this now by destroying Irans regime.

Of course no. Then Russia and China will make "Iranian government in exile", and give them ships with cruise missiles with proper nuclear warheads. Good luck to protect all your coastal cities from cruise missiles launched by people who already have nothing to lose and determined to have their revenge.
Anyway, even if Russia and China do nothing about it, Non Prolifiration Treaty is dead and in few years tuere will be dozens of new nuclear states, including ones in Latin America. You don't want to deal with nuclear Iran? Let's see how will you deal with nuclear Brazil, Bolivia, Mexico and Cuba.

 

[Godboy]

It doesn't mean that you can divide one 100 kt warhead in some 6 kt warheads. And anyway, you don't have a lot of W76-2 warheads (BAS believes that the USA posses only 25 W76-2 warheads). They are just substitutes for real tactical weapons, which you, practically saying, don't posses. Few hundred of B61-12 gravity bombs is nothing.


And who told you this? Just read proper book or play with nuclear map.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

NUKEMAP is a website for visualizing the effects of nuclear detonations.

nuclearsecrecy.com

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Totally destroyed one block.
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Moderate damage - five more blocks.

People in green circle will need intensive treatment, and more than 20% of them will die because of radiation sickness.

"Two square miles" and "moderately damage" are more accurate words.


Who said about "collapse of emergency" services as result of few nukes?

Your "nuke maps" just show the blast radius. They do not account for what happens after that initial blast. They do not account for fires.

Im also guessing that these maps are going under the assumption that the nuke would be detonated at street level. Buildings do absorb a lot of damage in that scenario. We will definitely not be detonating our nukes at street level. We will detonate them several hundred feet in the air, which spreads out the devastation significantly. You would have fires started everywhere in a 1 mile radius, and those fires would spread far and wide.

Firestations would be overwhelmed. They couldnt even put out a tiny fraction of that fire. It would burn until there was no more material left to burn. Entire cities would become ash.

 

[Hafar1014]

Lead sheet about 1 cm thick decrease gamma-radiation cfrom, say, Cobalt-60 only twice. To really hide nuclear device one need something like a big truck and even this a
may not be enough, you need smart planning and actual intel on positions of enemies detectors.


Of course no. Then Russia and China will make "Iranian government in exile", and give them ships with cruise missiles with proper nuclear warheads. Good luck to protect all your coastal cities from cruise missiles launched by people who already have nothing to lose and determined to have their revenge.
Anyway, even if Russia and China do nothing about it, Non Prolifiration Treaty is dead and in few years tuere will be dozens of new nuclear states, including ones in Latin America. You don't want to deal with nuclear Iran? Let's see how will you deal with nuclear Brazil, Bolivia, Mexico and Cuba.

Youre ready to risk all out nuclear war when its not necessary, Youre also quibbling over minutia

 

[Godboy]

Of course no. Then Russia and China will make "Iranian government in exile", and give them ships with cruise missiles with proper nuclear warheads. Good luck to protect all your coastal cities from cruise missiles launched by people who already have nothing to lose and determined to have their revenge.

Now would be a really good time to get those cruise missiles and nukes from Russia, dont you think? Where is Russia? Hell, why didnt they give it to Iran a couple years ago?

Oh, thats right.... Russia will NEVER do that. Neither Russia nor China are going to do a damn thing to save Iran. No one will. Literally not a single country on Earth.

 

[rylah]

 

[Zavulon]

Your "nuke maps" just show the blast radius. They do not account for what happens after that initial blast. They do not account for fires.

Im also guessing that these maps are going under the assumption that the nuke would be detonated at street level. Buildings do absorb a lot of damage in that scenario. We will definitely not be detonating our nukes at street level. We will detonate them several hundred feet in the air, which spreads out the devastation significantly. You would have fires started everywhere in a 1 mile radius, and those fires would spread far and wide.

Firestations would be overwhelmed. They couldnt even put out a tiny fraction of that fire. It would burn until there was no more material left to burn. Entire cities would become ash.

Instead of making assumptions, you could just test the site and see, that there are fire zones and user can choose the height of the burst. And no, modern cities are difficult to be burnt up and the fires hardly spread in them. Actually, even Nagasaki in 1945 was too "modern" to have firestorms.

 

[Zavulon]

Now would be a really good time to get those cruise missiles and nukes from Russia, dont you think? Where is Russia? Hell, why didnt they give it to Iran a couple years ago?

Oh, thats right.... Russia will NEVER do that. Neither Russia nor China are going to do a damn thing to save Iran. No one will. Literally not a single country on Earth.

Wrong assumption. May be even fatal for you. Russia and China prefer non-nuclear pro-Eurasian Iran to nuclear pro-Eurasian, and they prefered working NPT. More nuclear states make situation more complicated - more missiles, more buttons, more fingers on all those buttons.... And, after all, more members in the privileged club - less privileged is every member of this club.
But, their will to keep status quo, is limited. And when Iran was punished for the following rules of NPT - NPT was effectively cancelled.
Anyway, Russia prefer nuclear pro-Russian Iran to non-nuclear anti-Russian. And, if the only way to keep Iran's independence is giving it nukes - Russia will do it.

 

[Zavulon]

Youre ready to risk all out nuclear war when its not necessary,

How so? Keeping Iran independent is necessary.

Youre also quibbling over minutia

Tell me something really new and interesting.

 

[Godboy]

Anyway, Russia prefer nuclear pro-Russian Iran to non-nuclear anti-Russian. And, if the only way to keep Iran's independence is giving it nukes - Russia will do it.

The US and Israel are gearing up for a ground invasion of Iran. There is a decent chance that the end of Iran is coming soon. I dont see Russia doing a damn thing about it. Do you?

 

[Zavulon]

The US and Israel are gearing up for a ground invasion of Iran. There is a decent chance that the end of Iran is coming soon. I dont see Russia doing a damn thing about it. Do you?

With the current forces Epstain coalition hardly can defeat Iran on the ground. And yes, with more certainty about new Iranian government, Russia have increased their military support.

 

[Lockback]

With the current forces Epstain coalition hardly can defeat Iran on the ground. And yes, with more certainty about new Iranian government, Russia have increased their military support.
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I'm sure this gives you wood, doesn't it?

 

[Zavulon]

I'm sure this gives you wood, doesn't it?

Yep. We are warming up.

 

[Lockback]

Yep. We are warming up.

You love the idea of WWIII, just so you can say, "See, I told you so!"
Even though, of course, you're completely wrong.

 

[Godboy]

With the current forces Epstain coalition hardly can defeat Iran on the ground. And yes, with more certainty about new Iranian government, Russia have increased their military support.
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What gives you any reason to think that US or Israeli troops would struggle against the IRGC? They are literally the most experienced, and also the most well equipped, AND the most well supported soldiers on the planet.

 

[Zavulon]

You love the idea of WWIII, just so you can say, "See, I told you so!"
Even though, of course, you're completely wrong.

I don't like it, but yes, it seems inevitable.

 

[Zavulon]

What gives you any reason to think that US or Israeli troops would struggle against the IRGC? They are literally the most experienced, and also the most well equipped, AND the most well supported soldiers on the planet.

Two things: relief of Iran, which is mostly mountains,

and the total unpreparedness of Israel and US ground forces to the modern combat as well as aggressive incompetence of American decision-makers.

 

[Hafar1014]

With the current forces Epstain coalition hardly can defeat Iran on the ground. And yes, with more certainty about new Iranian government, Russia have increased their military support.
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Russia is losing in Ukraine ther economy is a shambles they arent about to do much other than some intelligence. China is doing nothing as well. Trump has changed the balance of power in favor of America Israel and the moderate Arabs.

 

[Godboy]

Two things: relief of Iran, which is mostly mountains,
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You cant run a government from the mountains. You also cant move forces from those mountains without getting spotted.

and the total unpreparedness of Israel and US ground forces to the modern combat

There are no soldiers on planet Earth more prepared than US and Israeli forces.

 

[Zavulon]

You cant run a government from the mountains. You also cant move forces from those mountains without getting spotted.

In those mountains one platoon can stop a battalion. And invader's logistics here will be a piece of hell.

There are no soldiers on planet Earth more prepared than US and Israeli forces.

We'll see.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia is losing in Ukraine ther economy is a shambles they arent about to do much other than some intelligence. China is doing nothing as well. Trump has changed the balance of power in favor of America Israel and the moderate Arabs.

Wow. What's an amazing wishful thinking! We'll see soon.