Nuclear rights of Iranian nation.

[BackAgain]

Yep. Nobody pays me for being honest or accurate.

Right. They pay you for the very opposite.

But I don't have reasons to lie, either.

Nonsense. If you didn’t have a reason for it, presumably you’d cease lying

It's just like talking to a fellow passenger in a commercial jet. I don't know you, you don't know me, I need nothing from you, you don't need anything from me. So, we can enjoy conversation for itself.

I enjoy conversations which are based on actual facts and rational opinions and the use of logic. You satisfy none of thise conditions.

Any example?

Yep. Almost every one of your posts.

 

[Godboy]

It's simply not true.

Key Aspects of MIRVed Nuclear Warheads

• Mechanism: A single missile launcher (e.g., ICBM) releases several individual warheads in space, which then re-enter the atmosphere to hit separate targets.
• Examples: The US Trident II (UGM-133) can carry 8–12 warheads, and the Minuteman III was designed to carry 1–3, though they often carry one.
• Strategic Purpose: MIRVs are designed for nuclear deterrence, allowing one missile to overwhelm defense systems and target multiple cities or military sites, as discussed on America's Nuclear Triad.

Key Strategic Concepts
"Dial-a-Yield": Some modern warheads, like the US B61 or W80, allow for variable settings where the yield can be adjusted from as low as 0.3 kT to several hundred kilotons.

Efficiency vs. Power: Militaries shifted from single massive megaton-class bombs to multiple smaller warheads because they can saturate a larger area more effectively than one giant explosion.

Miniaturization: For a missile to carry several warheads, each "physics package" must be small enough to fit within an individual reentry vehicle, which is why individual yields are rarely in the multi-megaton range today

And it's also is not true.

Whats not true? That we burned cities in WW2 or that we have the largest airforce in the world today? I assure you, both of those things are true.

 

[Zavulon]

Right. They pay you for the very opposite.

For what goal? Who, especially in the Russia, with economy in tatters, would pay money for promoting obvious lie for some random guys?

Nonsense. If you didn’t have a reason for it, presumably you’d cease lying

As I said - I don't lie. I can make mistakes, I don't tell "whole truth", I follow etiquette in public discussions, but that's all. I have no intention to lie, first of all, because it's meaningless.

I enjoy conversations which are based on actual facts and rational opinions and the use of logic. You satisfy none of thise conditions.

It makes me terribly sad if you don't enjoy our conversation, but I have to ask - who force you to discuss with me?

Yep. Almost every one of your posts.

That's nothing. Can you prove me lying in any certain question?

 

[bambu.]

Iran's square is 1.648.000 square kilometres.
One 100 kt warhead destroy buildings in the radius of 5 km, with gives us square of the zone of building destruction 78,5 square kilometres. It means that you need at least 21400 nukes. You don't have that many. What is even more important - most of Iran's territory are mountains and nuclear facilities are well underground.

The new Penetrator was used on Iran yesterday, reportedly.

 

[Zavulon]

Key Aspects of MIRVed Nuclear Warheads

• Mechanism: A single missile launcher (e.g., ICBM) releases several individual warheads in space, which then re-enter the atmosphere to hit separate targets.
• Examples: The US Trident II (UGM-133) can carry 8–12 warheads, and the Minuteman III was designed to carry 1–3, though they often carry one.
• Strategic Purpose: MIRVs are designed for nuclear deterrence, allowing one missile to overwhelm defense systems and target multiple cities or military sites, as discussed on America's Nuclear Triad.

Key Strategic Concepts
"Dial-a-Yield": Some modern warheads, like the US B61 or W80, allow for variable settings where the yield can be adjusted from as low as 0.3 kT to several hundred kilotons.

Efficiency vs. Power: Militaries shifted from single massive megaton-class bombs to multiple smaller warheads because they can saturate a larger area more effectively than one giant explosion.

Miniaturization: For a missile to carry several warheads, each "physics package" must be small enough to fit within an individual reentry vehicle, which is why individual yields are rarely in the multi-megaton range today

First of all, MIRVs and Cluster ammunition are different things. Second your previous statement
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"They will split 100 kilotons into seperate 5-10 kiloton clusters. Just one mini nuke will end a city from the ensuing fire."
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is simply not true. You can remove Uranium shell from W76-1 warhead and make lighter and faster W76-2 warhead instead. But it's not splitting one warhead in few others.

Second, one few-kiloton class W76-2 warhead can't destroy a whole modern city. It can destroy a block max.

Therefore, your statement that four SSBNs can totally destroy China (especially if Chinamen are ready) is not true.

Whats not true? That we burned cities in WW2 or that we have the largest airforce in the world today? I assure you, both of those things are true.

Yep. You indeed burned cities in WW2. And you modern airforce is largest in the world.
But your modern airforce (they have significantly changed since WW2) can't easily burn down modern cities (which are also significantly changed since WW2).

 

[Zavulon]

The new Penetrator was used on Iran yesterday, reportedly.

With what effect?

 

[BackAgain]

For what goal? Who, especially in the Russia, with economy in tatters, would pay money for promoting obvious lie for some random guys?

Progress! You finally admitted that you have been lying. Why would it matter why you lie?

As I said - I don't lie.

Yeah. You do.

I can make mistakes, I don't tell "whole truth", I follow etiquette in public discussions, but that's all. I have no intention to lie, first of all, because it's meaningless.

Makes it strange that you do lie. A lot.

It makes me terribly sad if you don't enjoy our conversation, but I have to ask - who force you to discuss with me?

I take it upon myself to expose your idiotic claims. Your permission isn’t required.

That's nothing. Can you prove me lying in any certain question?

Oh please. You’re in over your head.

 

[Zavulon]

Progress! You finally admitted that you have been lying. Why would it matter why you lie?

I don't lie. Not intentionally anyway. And you are lying saying that I admitted that I have been lying.

 

[BackAgain]

I don't lie. Not intentionally anyway. And you are lying saying that I admitted that I have been lying.

You are lying about that, too.

You need to have your inadvertent admission read back to you, you imbecile?

 

[Zavulon]

You are lying about that, too.

You need to have your inadvertent admission read back to you, you imbecile?

If you don't mind, savvy boy.

 

[Godboy]

First of all, MIRVs and Cluster ammunition are different things. Second your previous statement
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MIRVs are clusters.

A Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicle (MIRV) is a missile payload containing several nuclear warheads, each capable of hitting a different target. MIRV technology, used by nations like the US, Russia, China, France, UK, and India, allows a single ICBM to carry up to 10+ warheads, enhancing strike capacity, overwhelming defenses, and increasing accuracy over intercontinental ranges

is simply not true. You can remove Uranium shell from W76-1 warhead and make lighter and faster W76-2 warhead instead. But it's not splitting one warhead in few others.

See above.

Second, one few-kiloton class warhead can't destroy a whole modern city. It can destroy a block max.

I said that "Just one mini nuke will end a city from the ensuing fire", and it will destroy a hell of a lot more than a city block on impact.

Immediate Blast: A single W76-2 could destroy a medium-sized city’s downtown core or severely damage about 4 square miles.

Fallout: Even without total physical destruction, the resulting radiation, fires, and collapse of emergency services would likely render a much larger portion of the city uninhabitable.

 

[Zavulon]

MIRVs are clusters.

It doesn't mean that you can divide one 100 kt warhead in some 6 kt warheads. And anyway, you don't have a lot of W76-2 warheads (BAS believes that the USA posses only 25 W76-2 warheads). They are just substitutes for real tactical weapons, which you, practically saying, don't posses. Few hundred of B61-12 gravity bombs is nothing.

I said that "Just one mini nuke will end a city from the ensuing fire", and it will destroy a hell of a lot more than a city block on impact.

And who told you this? Just read proper book or play with nuclear map.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

NUKEMAP is a website for visualizing the effects of nuclear detonations.

nuclearsecrecy.com

Totally destroyed one block.

Moderate damage - five more blocks.

People in green circle will need intensive treatment, and more than 20% of them will die because of radiation sickness.

Immediate Blast: A single W76-2 could destroy a medium-sized city’s downtown core or severely damage about 4 square miles.

"Two square miles" and "moderately damage" are more accurate words.

Fallout: Even without total physical destruction, the resulting radiation, fires, and collapse of emergency services would likely render a much larger portion of the city uninhabitable.

Who said about "collapse of emergency" services as result of few nukes?

 

[Hafar1014]

It doesn't mean that you can divide one 100 kt warhead in some 6 kt warheads. And anyway, you don't have a lot of W76-2 warheads (BAS believes that the USA posses only 25 W76-2 warheads). They are just substitutes for real tactical weapons, which you, practically saying, don't posses. Few hundred of B61-12 gravity bombs is nothing.


And who told you this? Just read proper book or play with nuclear map.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

NUKEMAP is a website for visualizing the effects of nuclear detonations.

nuclearsecrecy.com

View attachment 1237538
Totally destroyed one block.
View attachment 1237540
Moderate damage - five more blocks.

People in green circle will need intensive treatment, and more than 20% of them will die because of radiation sickness.

"Two square miles" and "moderately damage" are more accurate words.


Who said about "collapse of emergency" services as result of few nukes?

This is 1957 technology. This is the Davy Crockett Tactical Nuke
Projectile, Atomic, Supercaliber 279mm XM388 for the Davy Crockett contained a W54 Mod 2 nuclear warhead. It was a very compact pure fission device weighing 50.9 pounds (23.1 kg) and when packaged in the M388 round weighed 76 pounds (34 kg). The warhead had a yield equivalent to 20 tons of TNT

If you notice the size this could be hidden in a back pack, suit case, car, and walked into any city by a suicide bomber. Its also possible one even smaller could be made. 3 or 4 exploded in Wash DC could take out the CIA FBI Pentagon and White House. How do you stop this?

 

[Ringo]

 

[Ringo]

There's a jokes online:

The US fought in Afghanistan for 20 years to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.
The US began bombing Iran to replace Khamenei with Khamenei.
The new goal of the US war with Iran has been reduced to opening the Strait of Hormuz, which was already open before the conflict.

 

[Zavulon]

View attachment 1237543
This is 1957 technology. This is the Davy Crockett Tactical Nuke
Projectile, Atomic, Supercaliber 279mm XM388 for the Davy Crockett contained a W54 Mod 2 nuclear warhead. It was a very compact pure fission device weighing 50.9 pounds (23.1 kg) and when packaged in the M388 round weighed 76 pounds (34 kg). The warhead had a yield equivalent to 20 tons of TNT

If you notice the size this could be hidden in a back pack, suit case, car, and walked into any city by a suicide bomber. Its also possible one even smaller could be made. 3 or 4 exploded in Wash DC could take out the CIA FBI Pentagon and White House. How do you stop this?

You don't have such things nowadays, and stopping it is quite simple - you kill it's crew of Davy before they come to the distance of the shoot. Russia still have some nuclear backpacks, and, in theory, we were trained to use them against important targets in the USA during sabotage missions, but with all radiation detectors in the USA, it's quite complicated thing even to plan such a mission.
Without significant support from already infiltrated forces, it's virtually impossible to deliver four nuclear backpacks in Washington, DC.

 

[Hafar1014]

You don't have such things nowadays, and stopping it is quite simple - you kill it's crew of Davy before they come to the distance of the shoot. Russia still have some nuclear backpacks, and, in theory l, we were trained to use them against important targets in the USA during sabotage missions, but with all radiation detectors in the USA, it's quite complicated thing even to plan such a mission.
Without significant support from already infiltrated forces, it's virtually impossible to deliver four nuclear backpacks in Washington, DC.

Any suicide bomber can just walk into any city and there is no way to stop them. Iran could easily make them. The only way to stop them is to take away all their uranium and depose the current regime.

 

[Zavulon]

Any suicide bomber can just walk into any city and there is no way to stop them.

It is simply not true. Nuclear backpacks has pretty poor radiation protection, and it will be detected by many services even before they came in the USA. Planning nuclear mission in the USA is very complicated thing.

Iran could easily make them. The only way to stop them is to take away all their uranium and depose the current regime.

Of course no. There is pretty nice way to stop people from doing something you don't want - it's deterrence. "If you do this, we'll do that". Like - "For every damaged American city we'll destroy seven Iranian cities". But for the play by rules, you'll need to negotiate the set of proper rules and recognise each others right to exist. "We live together or we die together".

Actually, I'm almost sure, that right after first Iranian nuclear test, America will alleviate.

 

[Hafar1014]

It is simply not true. Nuclear backpacks has pretty poor radiation protection, and it will be detected by many services even before they came in the USA. Planning nuclear mission in the USA is very complicated thing.



Of course no. There is pretty nice way to stop people from doing something you don't want - it's deterrence. "If you do this, we'll do that". Like - "For every damaged American city we'll destroy seven Iranian cities". But for the play by rules, you'll need to negotiate the set of proper rules and recognise each others right to exist. "We live together or we die together".

Actually, I'm almost sure, that right after first Iranian nuclear test, America will alleviate.

Line them with lead. By the time its supposedly detected then what. The bomber can still set it off. There is no way to prevent this. We are avoiding this now by destroying Irans regime.

 

[Roudy]

Why do you love Iranians and not your own country??

He doesn’t love Iranians, if he did he wouldn’t be supporting the Islamic animals that are oppressing and killing them.