NRA post debate ad released...

9,000 murders, 200 million legally owned firearms.

That number is unbelievably low, and serves to highlight the how responsible law abiding gun owners actually are.


Don't wash it out. That's 29000 deaths per year, 14000 injuries. combined that's just under 43000 incidents for those firearms. This of course, doesn't involve incidents where shots were fired and nobody was hit, threat of shootings, armed robberies, etcetera.


look up the stats. gun crime is not a white phenomenon.

right, it's just those uppity negros shooting each other.

What it is, is a poverty phenomenon.
 
Don't wash it out. That's 29000 deaths per year, 14000 injuries. combined that's just under 43000 incidents for those firearms. This of course, doesn't involve incidents where shots were fired and nobody was hit, threat of shootings, armed robberies, etcetera.


look up the stats. gun crime is not a white phenomenon.

right, it's just those uppity negros shooting each other.

What it is, is a poverty phenomenon.

just look up the stats..if its racist , to bad Besides Barry doesn't have a problem selling ar's to mexican drug cartels.
 
look up the stats. gun crime is not a white phenomenon.

right, it's just those uppity negros shooting each other.

What it is, is a poverty phenomenon.

just look up the stats..if its racist , to bad Besides Barry doesn't have a problem selling ar's to mexican drug cartels.

Seeing as much of Americas poverty is unfairly the lot of minorities, and violence is a disease of poverty, what do you expect?
 
Don't wash it out. That's 29000 deaths per year, 14000 injuries. combined that's just under 43000 incidents for those firearms. This of course, doesn't involve incidents where shots were fired and nobody was hit, threat of shootings, armed robberies, etcetera.


I'm not washing anything out.

Gun grabbers always want to fold in suicides to bolster their argument.

If a person is intent on killing themselves, taking their gun away isn't going to stop them.

Murders is the statistic that is relevant.

as are the accidental shootings, and all the times there are shots fired but nobody happens to get hit, or threatening behaviour with firearms.... pistol whippings, death threats and the like.

Problem is, there are a lot of really dumb people with easy access to guns. Yes, there are smart people with guns. That is certainly not the argument.

But you have the whackos who have 15 different weapons, and believe that there is a government conspiricy to implant radioactive brain chips to control the populace through distribution of pacification drugs using chemtrails so that the lizard people can rape your children and breed a master race of commie pinkos that will destroy the fabric of our great nation.

yes, I was deliberately ridiculous there, but as a responsible gun owner, do you REALLY want weapons in the hands of people like that? Because of "rights?"

It's just stupid.

That's a strawman just like the suicides.

Are you going to take his truck too? His access to gasoline? Bleach? Ammonia? Propane? Cordless nail guns? Diesel fuel? Fertilizer? Car batteries? The internet?
 
I'm not washing anything out.

Gun grabbers always want to fold in suicides to bolster their argument.

If a person is intent on killing themselves, taking their gun away isn't going to stop them.

Murders is the statistic that is relevant.

as are the accidental shootings, and all the times there are shots fired but nobody happens to get hit, or threatening behaviour with firearms.... pistol whippings, death threats and the like.

Problem is, there are a lot of really dumb people with easy access to guns. Yes, there are smart people with guns. That is certainly not the argument.

But you have the whackos who have 15 different weapons, and believe that there is a government conspiricy to implant radioactive brain chips to control the populace through distribution of pacification drugs using chemtrails so that the lizard people can rape your children and breed a master race of commie pinkos that will destroy the fabric of our great nation.

yes, I was deliberately ridiculous there, but as a responsible gun owner, do you REALLY want weapons in the hands of people like that? Because of "rights?"

It's just stupid.

That's a strawman just like the suicides.

Are you going to take his truck too? His access to gasoline? Bleach? Ammonia? Propane? Cordless nail guns? Diesel fuel? Fertilizer? Car batteries? The internet?

THAT is a strawman. You know the purpose of guns, everyone does. What they were designed for, their intent. Yes, people hunt with them. Yes, people trap shoot, and collect, and what have you. But there is an inherent difference between those things, and guns, and you know it.

Take it the other way. You have the right to bear arms, why can't you have a patriot missle battery on your front lawn? A couple of mg42s in your windows? A mini nuke ready to go in dire emergency? You have the right to unrestricted weapons,right?
 
Have to give Obama credit, he has been great for gun sales!

Sales are on the rise, so much that some manufacturers cannot make enough fast enough. Major gun company stock prices are up. The number of federally licensed, retail gun dealers is increasing for the first time in nearly 20 years. The U.S. gun lobby is bursting with cash and political clout. Washington has expressed little interest in passing new gun laws, despite renewed calls to do so after recent deadly shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin.



U.S. Gun Industry Thriving Under President Obama’s First Term | TheBlaze.com
 
Have to give Obama credit, he has been great for gun sales!

Sales are on the rise, so much that some manufacturers cannot make enough fast enough. Major gun company stock prices are up. The number of federally licensed, retail gun dealers is increasing for the first time in nearly 20 years. The U.S. gun lobby is bursting with cash and political clout. Washington has expressed little interest in passing new gun laws, despite renewed calls to do so after recent deadly shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin.



U.S. Gun Industry Thriving Under President Obama’s First Term | TheBlaze.com

But oh no no, he's gonna take your guns away!
 
Have to give Obama credit, he has been great for gun sales!

Sales are on the rise, so much that some manufacturers cannot make enough fast enough. Major gun company stock prices are up. The number of federally licensed, retail gun dealers is increasing for the first time in nearly 20 years. The U.S. gun lobby is bursting with cash and political clout. Washington has expressed little interest in passing new gun laws, despite renewed calls to do so after recent deadly shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin.



U.S. Gun Industry Thriving Under President Obama’s First Term | TheBlaze.com

But oh no no, he's gonna take your guns away!

Yes Lahkota, that is what he said at the last debate. That is why people have been purchasing so many since he has been in office.
 
I think that interpretation of the constitution is just a little bit convoluted.

But a society where pretty much anyone, including low education, jumpy rednecks... and panicky sociophobes... a society where there are nutbags (on both the left, and the right) who can get their hands on weapons, is a bad combination.

That's funny, aren't those the folks the country asks to fight our wars? I have been around and owned guns my whole life and haven't shot anyone yet. I say yet because you never know what tomorrow bings. And there was nothing convoluted about the supremes upholding "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".

Other than there is no straightforward statement in the amendment for private, unregulated gun ownership.

So great, you haven't shot anyone. That's great, but people are getting shot constantly in the States. A great deal is criminal activity. But there is a very large segment of the population dying by accident, suicide, or murder (non criminal, in that they were not criminals prior to the shooting) that is just disgusting.

Show me anywhere in the constitution where the terms "state" and "people" are used synonymously, I can assure you it doesn't exist. The term people is the individual just like the supremes decided. Also what do you fail to understand about the term "shall not be infirnged"? You can look the words up on line if you don't have a dictionary.

I'm sure you being a liberal and all are not aware that private firearms are used for self protection some where around 2 million times a year and very rearly is there a shot fired. Your are probably unaware that everywhere concealed carry has been passed, violient crime has gone down. And last but not least the Centers For Diease Control did a study and concluded that no gun law has had any substantial effect on crime. We also have more people killed in car accidents, would you advocate everyone ride a bycicle?
 

But oh no no, he's gonna take your guns away!

Yes Lahkota, that is what he said at the last debate. That is why people have been purchasing so many since he has been in office.

You're simpleminded racial posts are amusing, Bubba. We all know why you are voting Romney. now go back to diddling your sister.
 
as are the accidental shootings, and all the times there are shots fired but nobody happens to get hit, or threatening behaviour with firearms.... pistol whippings, death threats and the like.

Problem is, there are a lot of really dumb people with easy access to guns. Yes, there are smart people with guns. That is certainly not the argument.

But you have the whackos who have 15 different weapons, and believe that there is a government conspiricy to implant radioactive brain chips to control the populace through distribution of pacification drugs using chemtrails so that the lizard people can rape your children and breed a master race of commie pinkos that will destroy the fabric of our great nation.

yes, I was deliberately ridiculous there, but as a responsible gun owner, do you REALLY want weapons in the hands of people like that? Because of "rights?"

It's just stupid.

That's a strawman just like the suicides.

Are you going to take his truck too? His access to gasoline? Bleach? Ammonia? Propane? Cordless nail guns? Diesel fuel? Fertilizer? Car batteries? The internet?

THAT is a strawman. You know the purpose of guns, everyone does. What they were designed for, their intent. Yes, people hunt with them. Yes, people trap shoot, and collect, and what have you. But there is an inherent difference between those things, and guns, and you know it.

Take it the other way. You have the right to bear arms, why can't you have a patriot missle battery on your front lawn? A couple of mg42s in your windows? A mini nuke ready to go in dire emergency? You have the right to unrestricted weapons,right?


No. The Second Amendment limits arms by use of the term "militia" in lieu of the term "army"... To form a militia, each man (or woman) requires only a rifle and a sidearm...preferably of an equivalent type and quality as a professional soldier might carry.
 
That's a strawman just like the suicides.

Are you going to take his truck too? His access to gasoline? Bleach? Ammonia? Propane? Cordless nail guns? Diesel fuel? Fertilizer? Car batteries? The internet?

THAT is a strawman. You know the purpose of guns, everyone does. What they were designed for, their intent. Yes, people hunt with them. Yes, people trap shoot, and collect, and what have you. But there is an inherent difference between those things, and guns, and you know it.

Take it the other way. You have the right to bear arms, why can't you have a patriot missle battery on your front lawn? A couple of mg42s in your windows? A mini nuke ready to go in dire emergency? You have the right to unrestricted weapons,right?


No. The Second Amendment limits arms by use of the term "militia" in lieu of the term "army"... To form a militia, each man (or woman) requires only a rifle and a sidearm...preferably of an equivalent type and quality as a professional soldier might carry.

Except..... that it doesn't say that at all.
 
just look up the stats..if its racist , to bad Besides Barry doesn't have a problem selling ar's to mexican drug cartels.
It is the NRA who made it LEGAL for American gun runners to sell multiple ARs to Mexican drug lords!!!!

I call bullshit.
You can't handle the truth.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features

Irony abounds when it comes to the Fast and Furious scandal. But the ultimate irony is this: Republicans who support the National Rifle Association and its attempts to weaken gun laws are lambasting ATF agents for not seizing enough weapons—ones that, in this case, prosecutors deemed to be legal.

The investigation begins
The ATF is a bureau of judgment calls. Drug enforcement agents can confiscate cocaine and arrest anyone in possession of it. But ATF agents must distinguish constitutionally protected legal guns from illegal ones, with the NRA and other Second Amendment activists watching for missteps.

Critics have depicted the ATF as "jackbooted government thugs" trampling on the rights of law-abiding gun owners. From the deadly standoff with the Branch Davidian*cult in Waco, Texas, in 1993 to allegations that ATF agents illegally seized weapons from suspected straw purchasers at a Richmond *gun show in 2005, these scandals have helped cement the bureau's reputation in some quarters for law-enforcement overreach.

snip/

In a meeting on Jan. 5, 2010, Emory Hurley, the assistant U.S. Attorney in Phoenix overseeing the Fast and Furious case, told the agents they lacked probable cause for arrests, according to ATF records. Hurley's judgment reflected accepted policy at the U.S. Attorney's Office in Arizona. "[P]urchasing multiple long guns in Arizona is lawful," Patrick Cunningham, the U.S. Attorney's then–criminal chief in Arizona would later write. "Transferring them to another is lawful and even sale or barter of the guns to another is lawful
 
THAT is a strawman. You know the purpose of guns, everyone does. What they were designed for, their intent. Yes, people hunt with them. Yes, people trap shoot, and collect, and what have you. But there is an inherent difference between those things, and guns, and you know it.

Take it the other way. You have the right to bear arms, why can't you have a patriot missle battery on your front lawn? A couple of mg42s in your windows? A mini nuke ready to go in dire emergency? You have the right to unrestricted weapons,right?


No. The Second Amendment limits arms by use of the term "militia" in lieu of the term "army"... To form a militia, each man (or woman) requires only a rifle and a sidearm...preferably of an equivalent type and quality as a professional soldier might carry.

Except..... that it doesn't say that at all.


Of course it does...in the same way freedom of speech includes freedom of expression.

It is extrapolated from the original intent.
 
No. The Second Amendment limits arms by use of the term "militia" in lieu of the term "army"... To form a militia, each man (or woman) requires only a rifle and a sidearm...preferably of an equivalent type and quality as a professional soldier might carry.

Except..... that it doesn't say that at all.


Of course it does...in the same way freedom of speech includes freedom of expression.

It is extrapolated from the original intent.

"Extrapolated" frequently means "making it say what we want to." The amendment does NOT state everyone should be packing. Now, the courts have decided yes, it does. And that means it's a right. It's the dumbest right though. Everyone thinking about their rights, and fuck their responsibilities.
 
NRA Gun humpers.

what more needs to be said?

Our constitution clearly states that our right to bare arms shall not be infringed. What do you want?

I think that interpretation of the constitution is just a little bit convoluted.

But a society where pretty much anyone, including low education, jumpy rednecks... and panicky sociophobes... a society where there are nutbags (on both the left, and the right) who can get their hands on weapons, is a bad combination.

What part of "shall not be infringed" confuses you, Lakhota?
 
Our constitution clearly states that our right to bare arms shall not be infringed. What do you want?

I think that interpretation of the constitution is just a little bit convoluted.

But a society where pretty much anyone, including low education, jumpy rednecks... and panicky sociophobes... a society where there are nutbags (on both the left, and the right) who can get their hands on weapons, is a bad combination.

What part of "shall not be infringed" confuses you, Lakhota?

That's not the part that I disagree with. But as long as you fucknuts keep thinking I'm Native, may as well take advantage of it.

Get the fuck of my land, white boy.
 

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