NRA General Counsel Robert Dowlut Convicted of Murder

[turtledude]

Come on, Joey, tell us again how the 14 year old kid (who was shot in the back) was the one who shot the marshal?

Tell us again how Harris got off because Sammy shot the marshal?

Tell us again where you have any info that Weaver was a nazi?

I think JOe has wet dreams about shooting someone like sammy weaver in the back

 

[WinterBorn]

Sammy shot Degan first, after Degan shot their dog.

Um, not really. But you keep telling yourself that...

Comrade Stalin, are you sure you want to start lying about Ruby Ridge again?

I will humiliate you, just as I did last time.

Uh, yeah, guy, because nothing makes you sound more rational than talking about the Nazis on Ruby Ridge.

You mean like your irrational lying about what happened on Ruby Ridge and in court after? lol

JoeB hopes other gun owners are treated like the Weavers by the ATF I suspect. Calling them Nazis is his way of justifying government imposed murder on peaceful citizens who merely wanted to be left alone.

Of course he does. And when he is caught lying about what happened, he tries this "he might have" nonsense and tries for reasonable doubt. lol Then ends it with insults aimed at the state. No admission that he lied, he just keeps rolling along. And he wonders why he is not believed.

 

[Impenitent]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

 

[turtledude]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

 

[Impenitent]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

 

[turtledude]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

you don't care if you disarm 1000000 honest people if it delays one criminal a couple hours from getting a gun
criminals violate federal felony laws anytime they touch a gun. assholes like you want criminals to face UNARMED victims. Low wattage twits like you think people who rob and rape are going to obey gun laws that are only directed at honest people

mental midgets like you think that the people least likely to abuse others with guns need more laws directed at them

 

[Impenitent]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

you don't care if you disarm 1000000 honest people if it delays one criminal a couple hours from getting a gun
criminals violate federal felony laws anytime they touch a gun. assholes like you want criminals to face UNARMED victims. Low wattage twits like you think people who rob and rape are going to obey gun laws that are only directed at honest people

mental midgets like you think that the people least likely to abuse others with guns need more laws directed at them

You actually accommodate criminals and justly it with myth. Nobody has disarmed 1,000,000 honest people with background checks, or anything else. Wake up from your paranoid delusion, nutter!

As if that was possible.

 

[turtledude]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

you don't care if you disarm 1000000 honest people if it delays one criminal a couple hours from getting a gun
criminals violate federal felony laws anytime they touch a gun. assholes like you want criminals to face UNARMED victims. Low wattage twits like you think people who rob and rape are going to obey gun laws that are only directed at honest people

mental midgets like you think that the people least likely to abuse others with guns need more laws directed at them

You actually accommodate criminals and justly it with myth. Nobody has disarmed 1,000,000 honest people with background checks, or anything else. Wake up from your paranoid delusion, nutter!

As if that was possible.

how are you going to enforce universal background checks

and why are criminals going to conduct them

you dullards never think things through

 

[ChrisL]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

you don't care if you disarm 1000000 honest people if it delays one criminal a couple hours from getting a gun
criminals violate federal felony laws anytime they touch a gun. assholes like you want criminals to face UNARMED victims. Low wattage twits like you think people who rob and rape are going to obey gun laws that are only directed at honest people

mental midgets like you think that the people least likely to abuse others with guns need more laws directed at them

You actually accommodate criminals and justly it with myth. Nobody has disarmed 1,000,000 honest people with background checks, or anything else. Wake up from your paranoid delusion, nutter!

As if that was possible.

how are you going to enforce universal background checks

and why are criminals going to conduct them

you dullards never think things through

It's funny how the libs are all concerned with restricting the rights of honest gun owners here in the States, but aren't at all concerned with our southern border where drug dealers and illegals come through and MURDER American citizens!!! They are certainly cherry pickers with their concerns about "crime" are concerned, aren't they?

 

[turtledude]

It's funny how the libs are all concerned with restricting the rights of honest gun owners here in the States, but aren't at all concerned with our southern border where drug dealers and illegals come through and MURDER American citizens!!! They are certainly cherry pickers with their concerns about "crime" are concerned, aren't they?

that is because most serious gun owners don't vote for Liberals and other assholes and the liberals want to punish gun owners for voting against socialists, communists, collectivists, obamatards, Hillary whores etc

 

[ChrisL]

It's funny how the libs are all concerned with restricting the rights of honest gun owners here in the States, but aren't at all concerned with our southern border where drug dealers and illegals come through and MURDER American citizens!!! They are certainly cherry pickers with their concerns about "crime" are concerned, aren't they?

that is because most serious gun owners don't vote for Liberals and other assholes and the liberals want to punish gun owners for voting against socialists, communists, collectivists, obamatards, Hillary whores etc

I can't think of another reason. They must know that their background checks are not going to stop a person who is intent upon committing mass murder, or your average gang banger.

Then, they'll think they're so smart and say "oh, so you're against laws against murder too?" And I'll say, "no, you bozos, committing murder is NOT a constitutional RIGHT!"

 

[ChrisL]

"In Honor of the THOUSANDS of American Citizens Killed Each Year by Illegal Aliens"

Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think JOe has wet dreams about shooting someone like sammy weaver in the back

JoeB Stalin has wet dreams about marching his neighbors into forced labor camps where they will toil and suffer until they die.

IOW, he's a typical democrat.

 

[Impenitent]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

you don't care if you disarm 1000000 honest people if it delays one criminal a couple hours from getting a gun
criminals violate federal felony laws anytime they touch a gun. assholes like you want criminals to face UNARMED victims. Low wattage twits like you think people who rob and rape are going to obey gun laws that are only directed at honest people

mental midgets like you think that the people least likely to abuse others with guns need more laws directed at them

You actually accommodate criminals and justly it with myth. Nobody has disarmed 1,000,000 honest people with background checks, or anything else. Wake up from your paranoid delusion, nutter!

As if that was possible.

how are you going to enforce universal background checks

and why are criminals going to conduct them

you dullards never think things through

First, logic fails when you say background check laws will fail because criminals will avoid them. They don't avoid the checks. I've already shown you that. They get caught. They don't get their guns.

Secondly, saying a law is a dumb law just because people will break it, says the same thing about the futility of all law - and we know that is not the case- laws do act successfully to deter crime.

 

[WinterBorn]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

you don't care if you disarm 1000000 honest people if it delays one criminal a couple hours from getting a gun
criminals violate federal felony laws anytime they touch a gun. assholes like you want criminals to face UNARMED victims. Low wattage twits like you think people who rob and rape are going to obey gun laws that are only directed at honest people

mental midgets like you think that the people least likely to abuse others with guns need more laws directed at them

You actually accommodate criminals and justly it with myth. Nobody has disarmed 1,000,000 honest people with background checks, or anything else. Wake up from your paranoid delusion, nutter!

As if that was possible.

how are you going to enforce universal background checks

and why are criminals going to conduct them

you dullards never think things through

First, logic fails when you say background check laws will fail because criminals will avoid them. They don't avoid the checks. I've already shown you that. They get caught. They don't get their guns.

Secondly, saying a law is a dumb law just because people will break it, says the same thing about the futility of all law - and we know that is not the case- laws do act successfully to deter crime.

Some laws do deter crime. But the illegal drug trade in this country also shows the futility of a ban. And for the space, a gun will bring a much higher price, when smuggled in.

 

[Impenitent]

Found this:

Why expanding background checks would in fact reduce gun crime - The Washington Post

Missouri’s repeal of its permit-to-purchase licensing and private handgun sale background checks law in August 2007 provides an example. Immediately following the repeal of this law, the share of guns recovered by Missouri police agencies that had an unusually short time interval between retail sale and crime — which is indicative of trafficking — more than doubled. The share of crime guns that had originally been sold by Missouri gun dealers rose sharply. [5]

There is also evidence that repeal of this law increased gun violence. Data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that when the mean from first three years of data following the repeal of the law are compared with the mean from the prior nine years, the rate of homicides with guns increased 25 percent in Missouri while nationally there was a 10 percent decline.

that study has been debunked since all it did was suggest a correlation rather than causation

Its sad that you are in favor of government murder of citizens but its mindsets of people like you that require freedom loving americans to be well armed. God help us if someone like you gets into a position of power

Debunked?...by wingnuts?

LOL that is the typical idiocy of those who side with criminals against honest citizens

why do you work to make the criminals working conditions safer?

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

you don't care if you disarm 1000000 honest people if it delays one criminal a couple hours from getting a gun
criminals violate federal felony laws anytime they touch a gun. assholes like you want criminals to face UNARMED victims. Low wattage twits like you think people who rob and rape are going to obey gun laws that are only directed at honest people

mental midgets like you think that the people least likely to abuse others with guns need more laws directed at them

You actually accommodate criminals and justly it with myth. Nobody has disarmed 1,000,000 honest people with background checks, or anything else. Wake up from your paranoid delusion, nutter!

As if that was possible.

how are you going to enforce universal background checks

and why are criminals going to conduct them

you dullards never think things through

First, logic fails when you say background check laws will fail because criminals will avoid them. They don't avoid the checks. I've already shown you that. They get caught. They don't get their guns.

Secondly, saying a law is a dumb law just because people will break it, says the same thing about the futility of all law - and we know that is not the case- laws do act successfully to deter crime.

Some laws do deter crime. But the illegal drug trade in this country also shows the futility of a ban. And for the space, a gun will bring a much higher price, when smuggled in.

Though not an intention of the background check laws, the prices of "hot" guns will go up, as criminals cannot buy guns from honest people, which will further reduce common gun crimes.

I thought conservatives wanted to reduce "urban" crime. Come on guys!

 

[turtledude]

Though not an intention of the background check laws, the prices of "hot" guns will go up, as criminals cannot buy guns from honest people, which will further reduce common gun crimes.

I thought conservatives wanted to reduce "urban" crime. Come on guys!

Hey SFB, criminals don't buy guns from honest people as it is

 

[turtledude]

First, logic fails when you say background check laws will fail because criminals will avoid them. They don't avoid the checks. I've already shown you that. They get caught. They don't get their guns.

Secondly, saying a law is a dumb law just because people will break it, says the same thing about the futility of all law - and we know that is not the case- laws do act successfully to deter crime.

sorry SFB-they don't get prosecuted. 12 people were prosecuted of the "hundreds of thousands" clinton said were stopped from buying a gun from a licensed dealer

and how do you enforce UBGCs?

 

[Uncensored2008]

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

Lying again?

You must be a democrat.

While there is no requirement for private individuals to conduct a background check before selling their personal property to another private party - a clearly absurd concept, it is already illegal to KNOWINGLY sell a firearm to a convicted felon.

Hey, I get it - if you tell the truth, your argument falls apart, so it's George W. Bush's fault that you lie.....

 

[turtledude]

We wish to make guns harder for criminals to get. It is you who accommodate them. Criminals can purchase guns openly in gun shows in 33 states because of the NRA, and numbskulls like you.

Lying again?

You must be a democrat.

While there is no requirement for private individuals to conduct a background check before selling their personal property to another private party - a clearly absurd concept, it is already illegal to KNOWINGLY sell a firearm to a convicted felon.

Hey, I get it - if you tell the truth, your argument falls apart, so it's George W. Bush's fault that you lie.....

the SFB anti gun morons ignore human nature, reality and common sense

they think people who commit major league felonies and traffic in narcotics will either obey or be deterred to the point of not committing additional crimes by a gun law

they also believe that people who have never committed a crime with their weapons, should be required to obey additional laws to stop them from doing stuff they have never done

at first you can attribute such stupidity to ignorance or a lack of IQ

but after the facts have been rammed up their asses dozes of times and they still keep crapping back the same idiocy, you have to assume they are dishonest mendacious assholes whose real motivations have NOTHING to do with crime