Now Turkey claims it DIDN'T KNOW doomed jet was Russian before blasting it out of the sky

[Dr Grump]

How is the admission of Turkey and EU an opinion? Stick to the truth or talk to someone else.

They haven't admitted anything. You have an EU spokesperson making a claim. Nothing more. Nothing less. Making a claim is not proof.

 

[Stratford57]

That the Turks shot down the jet and did so within 17 seconds – with the president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, saying he gave the order to fire himself – suggests very strongly they were waiting for a Russian plane to come into or close enough to Turkish airspace with the aim of delivering a rather pyrotechnic message.

Why did it take Turkey just 17 seconds to shoot down Russian jet?

 

[Bleipriester]

How is the admission of Turkey and EU an opinion? Stick to the truth or talk to someone else.

They haven't admitted anything. You have an EU spokesperson making a claim. Nothing more. Nothing less. Making a claim is not proof.

An EU ambassador admitting EU states are buying oil. What isn´t clear about this? Why should he lie?

 

[Bleipriester]

Nov, 26.

Putin:
At the G20 summit, which took place in Turkey as it happens, in Antalya, I showed a photograph (I had already spoken publicly about this) taken by our pilots at a height of 5,000 metres. Vehicles transporting oil made a long line that vanished over the horizon. It looks like a living oil pipeline. These are industrial-scale oil supplies coming in from parts of Syria now in the terrorists’ hands. This oil comes from these regions, not from other places. We see from the air where these vehicles are heading. They are heading for Turkey day and night. I can imagine that perhaps Turkey’s senior leaders are not aware of this situation. It is hard to believe, but theoretically, it is possible.

This does not mean that the Turkish authorities should not attempt to put an end to this illegal trade. The UN Security Council passed a special resolution that bans direct purchase of oil from terrorists, because these barrels coming in are filled not just with oil but with our citizens’ blood, and because terrorists use the money from this trade to buy arms and munitions and then carry out bloody attacks such as those against our plane in the Sinai, and the attacks in Paris and other cities and countries.

But there is absolutely no question that the oil is heading for Turkey. We see this from the air. We see that loaded vehicles are heading there in a constant stream and returning empty. These vehicles are loaded in Syria, in territory controlled by the terrorists, and they go to Turkey and return to Syria empty. We see this every day.

Press statements and answers to journalists’ questions following meeting with President of France Francois Hollande

Erdogan must go. Nato is a terrorist organization.

Here comes more:
"'IS' supply channels through Turkey
Every day, trucks laden with food, clothing, and other supplies cross the border from Turkey to Syria. It is unclear who is picking up the goods. The haulers believe most of the cargo is going to the "Islamic State" militia. Oil, weapons, and soldiers are also being smuggled over the border, and Kurdish volunteers are now patrolling the area in a bid to stem the supplies."

'IS' supply channels through Turkey | All media content | DW.COM | 26.11.2014

 

[Delta4Embassy]

This is becoming a truly "Twilight Zone" event. The Turks were screaming blue murder that this was going to be the last time EVAH that Russia was going to fly into Turkish air space right?

Now this.

TURKEY has sensationally claimed it did not know the warplane it blew out of the sky for apparently entering its airspace was Russian.
By Jake Burman
PUBLISHED: 00:07, Thu, Nov 26, 2015 | UPDATED: 09:35, Thu, Nov 26, 2015

The Turkish military claimed it was following the same protocol it would have for any jet crossing into its airspace, but insisted it was unaware of the nationality of the bomber jet.

Turkey's military said in a statement: "The nationality of the plane was not known... and the rules of engagement were automatically used."

Now Turkey claims it DIDN'T KNOW doomed jet was Russian before blasting it out of the sky

What was the Russian aircraft? Russian warplanes are pretty distinctive. If shooting an AIM-9 short-range air-to-air missile, you're within visual range so if you don't know who you're shooting at, that's a bit worrisome. Plus they said they gave all those warnings so presumedly they had some idea who it was.

Noted though the warnings were in English? Why would Turkish airforce officers give English language warnings to Russians?

 

[Dr Grump]

How is the admission of Turkey and EU an opinion? Stick to the truth or talk to someone else.

They haven't admitted anything. You have an EU spokesperson making a claim. Nothing more. Nothing less. Making a claim is not proof.

An EU ambassador admitting EU states are buying oil. What isn´t clear about this? Why should he lie?

For a start the person is a 'she' not a 'he'. She might not be lying. She might not know the truth. What I do know is that, via your own link, she is refusing to say who is buying the oil etc. So until she does, it's nothing more than an allegation.

 

[montelatici]

This is becoming a truly "Twilight Zone" event. The Turks were screaming blue murder that this was going to be the last time EVAH that Russia was going to fly into Turkish air space right?

Now this.

TURKEY has sensationally claimed it did not know the warplane it blew out of the sky for apparently entering its airspace was Russian.
By Jake Burman
PUBLISHED: 00:07, Thu, Nov 26, 2015 | UPDATED: 09:35, Thu, Nov 26, 2015

The Turkish military claimed it was following the same protocol it would have for any jet crossing into its airspace, but insisted it was unaware of the nationality of the bomber jet.

Turkey's military said in a statement: "The nationality of the plane was not known... and the rules of engagement were automatically used."

Now Turkey claims it DIDN'T KNOW doomed jet was Russian before blasting it out of the sky

What was the Russian aircraft? Russian warplanes are pretty distinctive. If shooting an AIM-9 short-range air-to-air missile, you're within visual range so if you don't know who you're shooting at, that's a bit worrisome. Plus they said they gave all those warnings so presumedly they had some idea who it was.

Noted though the warnings were in English? Why would Turkish airforce officers give English language warnings to Russians?

The language of international air traffic control is English. Air traffic controllers must speak English to aircraft not of their country.

 

[montelatici]

How is the admission of Turkey and EU an opinion? Stick to the truth or talk to someone else.

They haven't admitted anything. You have an EU spokesperson making a claim. Nothing more. Nothing less. Making a claim is not proof.

An EU ambassador admitting EU states are buying oil. What isn´t clear about this? Why should he lie?

For a start the person is a 'she' not a 'he'. She might not be lying. She might not know the truth. What I do know is that, via your own link, she is refusing to say who is buying the oil etc. So until she does, it's nothing more than an allegation.

"A US-led raid on the compound housing the Islamic State's "chief financial officer" produced evidence that Turkish officials directly dealt with ranking ISIS members, Martin Chulov of the Guardian reported recently.

The officer killed in the raid, Islamic State official Abu Sayyaf, was responsible for directing the terror army's oil and gas operations in Syria. The Islamic State (aka ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh) earns up to $10 million a month selling oil on black markets."

Links between Turkey and ISIS are now 'undeniable' - Business Insider

 

[Bleipriester]

How is the admission of Turkey and EU an opinion? Stick to the truth or talk to someone else.

They haven't admitted anything. You have an EU spokesperson making a claim. Nothing more. Nothing less. Making a claim is not proof.

An EU ambassador admitting EU states are buying oil. What isn´t clear about this? Why should he lie?

For a start the person is a 'she' not a 'he'. She might not be lying. She might not know the truth. What I do know is that, via your own link, she is refusing to say who is buying the oil etc. So until she does, it's nothing more than an allegation.

You won´t give up your foolish nonsense like a pathological know-all, even at the expense of the ambassador´s sanity, right? The kindergarten should not grant the kids access to USMB.

 

[Dr Grump]

"A US-led raid on the compound housing the Islamic State's "chief financial officer" produced evidence that Turkish officials directly dealt with ranking ISIS members, Martin Chulov of the Guardian reported recently.

The officer killed in the raid, Islamic State official Abu Sayyaf, was responsible for directing the terror army's oil and gas operations in Syria. The Islamic State (aka ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh) earns up to $10 million a month selling oil on black markets."

Links between Turkey and ISIS are now 'undeniable' - Business Insider

Thanks for putting things into perspective unlike the moron Bleipriester

 

[Dr Grump]

You won´t give up your foolish nonsense like a pathological know-all, even at the expense of the ambassador´s sanity, right? The kindergarten should not grant the kids access to USMB.

STFU moron. Adults are talking....

 

[irosie91]

I don't trust either group of islamo Nazi scum-----but Turkey did have the recordings of the location of the Russian planes------not that I care The more damage Russia does to Turkey and the more damage Turkey does to Syria-----the better----As to the kurds muslims scum I Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey have been attacking them
for centuries-------it is what muslim scum do

In the centuries muslims gave us 1. Astronomy, 2. Medicine, 3. Mathematics (bwt, "algebra is really "al-gebra@, arabic word)... ISIS are not a muslims. It's easy - just answer, which color ISIS use for their flag?

Muslims did not "give us" astrononmy, medicine, mathematics or anything of a positive nature. Muslims conquered by murder, pillage, enslavement and oppression large areas of land ---------those lands were the centers of learning ----and had been long before the filth of arabia got there. In all cases the intellectualism of those lands collapsed the longer ISLAM was in control

Now you start to alter history. Please describe the "centers of learning" that where captured by Muslims.

Easy-------Babylon, Spain and Even KABUL AFGHANISTAN. "algebra" was not developed in MECCA------in fact NOTHING was developed in Mecca or Medina. Math is from INDIA (before the moghul slobs got there). Math remained a FORTE of INDIA -----in fact, still is, Astronomy is pre Islamic
Persia----------for fun find a real Persian and say the word "arab"

So you are a stupid idiot? What is astronomy without math? And our numbers ain´t from that region? And how do you think came the word alchemy into being?

both alchemy and alcohol are Arabic words-----muslims do not distil fermemted
liquors ---------obviously the only people who are permitted to do so under the stench of shariah law------came up with alcohol------DA JOOOOOOOS (Christians too------Christian monasteries also made the stuff) ------the CHEMISTS in countries
which adhere to the stench of shariah law------are also DA JOOOOOOOS------
ALCHEMY is and was considered a JEWISH ART in shariah shit holes and even
in Europe. I got lots of relatives who are fluent in Arabic (not me) The traveling MERCHANTS that lived in Baghdad-----before the slop of arabia got there------brought the concept of ZERO as a number------from India. Astronomy
without calculus---------is STARGAZING------somehow the Persians were the
most sophisticated in STARGAZING in the ancient world ------muslims added nothing. -----as to Medicine-------that which muslims call muslim medicine
is mostly the work of GALEN (also not muslim). Muslims added virtually n
nothing. Even "muslim" architecture is not "muslim"

 

[Bleipriester]

You won´t give up your foolish nonsense like a pathological know-all, even at the expense of the ambassador´s sanity, right? The kindergarten should not grant the kids access to USMB.

STFU moron. Adults are talking....

lol

 

[Bleipriester]

In the centuries muslims gave us 1. Astronomy, 2. Medicine, 3. Mathematics (bwt, "algebra is really "al-gebra@, arabic word)... ISIS are not a muslims. It's easy - just answer, which color ISIS use for their flag?

Muslims did not "give us" astrononmy, medicine, mathematics or anything of a positive nature. Muslims conquered by murder, pillage, enslavement and oppression large areas of land ---------those lands were the centers of learning ----and had been long before the filth of arabia got there. In all cases the intellectualism of those lands collapsed the longer ISLAM was in control

Now you start to alter history. Please describe the "centers of learning" that where captured by Muslims.

Easy-------Babylon, Spain and Even KABUL AFGHANISTAN. "algebra" was not developed in MECCA------in fact NOTHING was developed in Mecca or Medina. Math is from INDIA (before the moghul slobs got there). Math remained a FORTE of INDIA -----in fact, still is, Astronomy is pre Islamic
Persia----------for fun find a real Persian and say the word "arab"

So you are a stupid idiot? What is astronomy without math? And our numbers ain´t from that region? And how do you think came the word alchemy into being?

both alchemy and alcohol are Arabic words-----muslims do not distil fermemted
liquors ---------obviously the only people who are permitted to do so under the stench of shariah law------came up with alcohol------DA JOOOOOOOS (Christians too------Christian monasteries also made the stuff) ------the CHEMISTS in countries
which adhere to the stench of shariah law------are also DA JOOOOOOOS------
ALCHEMY is and was considered a JEWISH ART in shariah shit holes and even
in Europe. I got lots of relatives who are fluent in Arabic (not me) The traveling MERCHANTS that lived in Baghdad-----before the slop of arabia got there------brought the concept of ZERO as a number------from India. Astronomy
without calculus---------is STARGAZING------somehow the Persians were the
most sophisticated in STARGAZING in the ancient world ------muslims added nothing. -----as to Medicine-------that which muslims call muslim medicine
is mostly the work of GALEN (also not muslim). Muslims added virtually n
nothing. Even "muslim" architecture is not "muslim"

lol. You don´t know what you are talking about.

 

[irosie91]

Muslims did not "give us" astrononmy, medicine, mathematics or anything of a positive nature. Muslims conquered by murder, pillage, enslavement and oppression large areas of land ---------those lands were the centers of learning ----and had been long before the filth of arabia got there. In all cases the intellectualism of those lands collapsed the longer ISLAM was in control

Now you start to alter history. Please describe the "centers of learning" that where captured by Muslims.

Easy-------Babylon, Spain and Even KABUL AFGHANISTAN. "algebra" was not developed in MECCA------in fact NOTHING was developed in Mecca or Medina. Math is from INDIA (before the moghul slobs got there). Math remained a FORTE of INDIA -----in fact, still is, Astronomy is pre Islamic
Persia----------for fun find a real Persian and say the word "arab"

So you are a stupid idiot? What is astronomy without math? And our numbers ain´t from that region? And how do you think came the word alchemy into being?

both alchemy and alcohol are Arabic words-----muslims do not distil fermemted
liquors ---------obviously the only people who are permitted to do so under the stench of shariah law------came up with alcohol------DA JOOOOOOOS (Christians too------Christian monasteries also made the stuff) ------the CHEMISTS in countries
which adhere to the stench of shariah law------are also DA JOOOOOOOS------
ALCHEMY is and was considered a JEWISH ART in shariah shit holes and even
in Europe. I got lots of relatives who are fluent in Arabic (not me) The traveling MERCHANTS that lived in Baghdad-----before the slop of arabia got there------brought the concept of ZERO as a number------from India. Astronomy
without calculus---------is STARGAZING------somehow the Persians were the
most sophisticated in STARGAZING in the ancient world ------muslims added nothing. -----as to Medicine-------that which muslims call muslim medicine
is mostly the work of GALEN (also not muslim). Muslims added virtually n
nothing. Even "muslim" architecture is not "muslim"

lol. You don´t know what you are talking about.

In fact I do know. NOTHING is that which arabs and muslims contributed in the arts
and sciences. They conquered and CLAIMED CREDIT. In modern times they
delude themselves with legends of their own greatness ----and GLORIOUS GOLDEN
SOCIETIES------that never existed.

 

[Bleipriester]

Now you start to alter history. Please describe the "centers of learning" that where captured by Muslims.

Easy-------Babylon, Spain and Even KABUL AFGHANISTAN. "algebra" was not developed in MECCA------in fact NOTHING was developed in Mecca or Medina. Math is from INDIA (before the moghul slobs got there). Math remained a FORTE of INDIA -----in fact, still is, Astronomy is pre Islamic
Persia----------for fun find a real Persian and say the word "arab"

So you are a stupid idiot? What is astronomy without math? And our numbers ain´t from that region? And how do you think came the word alchemy into being?

both alchemy and alcohol are Arabic words-----muslims do not distil fermemted
liquors ---------obviously the only people who are permitted to do so under the stench of shariah law------came up with alcohol------DA JOOOOOOOS (Christians too------Christian monasteries also made the stuff) ------the CHEMISTS in countries
which adhere to the stench of shariah law------are also DA JOOOOOOOS------
ALCHEMY is and was considered a JEWISH ART in shariah shit holes and even
in Europe. I got lots of relatives who are fluent in Arabic (not me) The traveling MERCHANTS that lived in Baghdad-----before the slop of arabia got there------brought the concept of ZERO as a number------from India. Astronomy
without calculus---------is STARGAZING------somehow the Persians were the
most sophisticated in STARGAZING in the ancient world ------muslims added nothing. -----as to Medicine-------that which muslims call muslim medicine
is mostly the work of GALEN (also not muslim). Muslims added virtually n
nothing. Even "muslim" architecture is not "muslim"

lol. You don´t know what you are talking about.

In fact I do know. NOTHING is that which arabs and muslims contributed in the arts
and sciences. They conquered and CLAIMED CREDIT. In modern times they
delude themselves with legends of their own greatness ----and GLORIOUS GOLDEN
SOCIETIES------that never existed.

Get some history lessons.

 

[irosie91]

Easy-------Babylon, Spain and Even KABUL AFGHANISTAN. "algebra" was not developed in MECCA------in fact NOTHING was developed in Mecca or Medina. Math is from INDIA (before the moghul slobs got there). Math remained a FORTE of INDIA -----in fact, still is, Astronomy is pre Islamic
Persia----------for fun find a real Persian and say the word "arab"

So you are a stupid idiot? What is astronomy without math? And our numbers ain´t from that region? And how do you think came the word alchemy into being?

both alchemy and alcohol are Arabic words-----muslims do not distil fermemted
liquors ---------obviously the only people who are permitted to do so under the stench of shariah law------came up with alcohol------DA JOOOOOOOS (Christians too------Christian monasteries also made the stuff) ------the CHEMISTS in countries
which adhere to the stench of shariah law------are also DA JOOOOOOOS------
ALCHEMY is and was considered a JEWISH ART in shariah shit holes and even
in Europe. I got lots of relatives who are fluent in Arabic (not me) The traveling MERCHANTS that lived in Baghdad-----before the slop of arabia got there------brought the concept of ZERO as a number------from India. Astronomy
without calculus---------is STARGAZING------somehow the Persians were the
most sophisticated in STARGAZING in the ancient world ------muslims added nothing. -----as to Medicine-------that which muslims call muslim medicine
is mostly the work of GALEN (also not muslim). Muslims added virtually n
nothing. Even "muslim" architecture is not "muslim"

lol. You don´t know what you are talking about.

In fact I do know. NOTHING is that which arabs and muslims contributed in the arts
and sciences. They conquered and CLAIMED CREDIT. In modern times they
delude themselves with legends of their own greatness ----and GLORIOUS GOLDEN
SOCIETIES------that never existed.

Get some history lessons.

try reading some real history------not the BAATHIST version. Would you like to
discuss that BAATHIST version of history-------I know lots of it-----it is very popular
even in muslim countries that do not harbor the stink of Baathism -------the
ARABIAN NATIONALIST REVISION makes all muslims feel proud-----like Robin Hood excites British children. The glorious days of MUSLIM CONQUEST-------Paradise of Baghdad and Cordoba---------sheherazad.
Well----the stories work well for the production of CARTOONS-----Disney
owes lots to the intinerant story tellers

 

[Vikrant]

You'd rather believe the Turkish government? The same government that has been buying ISIS oil, funding al Nusra (AQ in Syria) assisting in the smuggling of antiquities out of Iraq and Syria and bombing the shit out of the anti ISIS Kurds?

Really?

I don't trust either group of islamo Nazi scum-----but Turkey did have the recordings of the location of the Russian planes------not that I care The more damage Russia does to Turkey and the more damage Turkey does to Syria-----the better----As to the kurds muslims scum I Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey have been attacking them
for centuries-------it is what muslim scum do

In the centuries muslims gave us 1. Astronomy, 2. Medicine, 3. Mathematics (bwt, "algebra is really "al-gebra@, arabic word)... ISIS are not a muslims. It's easy - just answer, which color ISIS use for their flag?

Muslims did not "give us" astrononmy, medicine, mathematics or anything of a positive nature. Muslims conquered by murder, pillage, enslavement and oppression large areas of land ---------those lands were the centers of learning ----and had been long before the filth of arabia got there. In all cases the intellectualism of those lands collapsed the longer ISLAM was in control

Now you start to alter history. Please describe the "centers of learning" that where captured by Muslims.

Easy-------Babylon, Spain and Even KABUL AFGHANISTAN. "algebra" was not developed in MECCA------in fact NOTHING was developed in Mecca or Medina. Math is from INDIA (before the moghul slobs got there). Math remained a FORTE of INDIA -----in fact, still is, Astronomy is pre Islamic
Persia----------for fun find a real Persian and say the word "arab"

You are mostly correct.

Indians are rightfully credited with quite a bit of societal advancement. However, there is tendency among some to spread rumors on the internet that early breakthrough in Mathematics took place in Arabian countries which is not true. The knowledge flowed from India to Arabian countries and then from there it reached Europe. I will list just few of the notable works of early Indians that to this date benefits humanity.

MATHEMATICS
a. Indians invented decimal system used today.
b. They conceived the concept of zero along with the concepts of positive and negative intigers.
c. There was a book written in ancient India called Beej Ganit which is the first recorded treatise of Algebra as it talks about fundamental concepts of Algebra.
d. Way before Pythagoras, an Indian book called Surya Sidhantha lays out a geometric treatise what we wrongfully call Pythagoras theorem today.

LINGUISTICS
a. Sanskrit, the first scientific language known to mankind was invented in India. As we know, Sanskrit is the mother of all Indo-European languages such as Hindi, English, French, etc.
b. Indian grammarian Panini was the first linguist to conceive the idea of generative grammar as noted by famous modern linguists such as Noam Chomsky.

ASTRONOMY
a. India was by far the first civilization to come up with the concept of calendar. They used Moon's orbit around Earth to keep track of days, weeks, months and years.
b. They did not know about all the planets but they had knowledge of major planets orbiting earth way before similar breakthroughs occurred in the Middle East or Europe.

 

[montelatici]

Unfortunately, almost none of the above is true.

 

[Vikrant]

Unfortunately, almost none of the above is true.

Fortunately, every bit I said is true and accepted in academic circles.