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Now that Roe v. Wade is overturned, let's look at the damage it's caused

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Organ donation should be "opt out" instead of the current "opt-in" system.
Not in the United States. Your organs are not property of the state.
 

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The first obvious damage to mention is 63 million dead babies.

That means 63 million women who are the mothers of dead babies and 63 million men who are the fathers of dead babies. That's a lot of suffering. And then you must consider the grandparents of the dead babies and the siblings of the dead babies. More suffering.

It's more suffering than losing a baby through miscarriage. The mother knows she deliberately killed her baby, the father knows his wife or girlfriend or the mother of his child killed his baby, the grandparents know their daughter killed their grandchild, and the siblings know their mother killed their brother or sister.

So much guilt, but bottled up because no one is allowed to talk about it.

Psychological damage. You bet. PTSD. Anxiety. Depression. No doubt many suicides. But not talked about. Not covered in the media.

All that secret suffering. If a woman suffers because of her abortion, we're not allowed to talk about it. The media lies and says it never even happens.

The number 63 million you might have passed over. How many is that? Nearly the population of the United Kingdom. That's a lot of dead babies.

But lets talk about the babies as individuals. Each was a boy or girl with a unique place in God's heart. Every time we killed a baby, it hurt God so deeply we can't even imagine it. God's love for that child was infinite, so his suffering was infinite too.

Perhaps it would be easier to imagine God's suffering as Christ's suffering on the cross. Every time a baby was killed it was like driving a nail deeper into Christ's hands and feet, or lashing him again, or piercing him deeper with the spear.

Did we gain anything with all these abortions?

Feminists claim abortions liberate women. If a woman kills her child, she is free to do other things like have a career. Women can be pleased to know they have more time to spend at the office because they've killed their child.

Abortions benefit men even more than women. A man is free to have sex with a woman, and if she gets pregnant, an abortion fixes it so he doesn't have to help her raise a child as its father. A man never has to grow up so long as he can convince the women he has sex with to have abortions.

Do abortions help the children of a woman she doesn't abort? You might argue they do, their mother has more time to spend with them if she doesn't have that baby. But children might wonder whether it was only dumb luck that they weren't aborted themselves.

Abortion doesn't end with the reversal of Roe v. Wade, the issue returns to the states. Most states will pass laws putting some restrictions on abortion, or abolishing it. Some states will keep it legal, or expand abortion rights to make it legal to kill infants, as New York has already done.

I ask God to forgive every woman who's had an abortion, and all the men who've paid for an abortion, and all the doctors who've performed abortions. As a Christian I must make that prayer because God requires me to forgive.

But a person must repent to be forgiven. If you've had an abortion, or paid for one, or performed one, will you repent?

It's not too late.

Roe v Wade changed nothing in terms of the numbers of abortions performed in the USA. The birth rate didn't go up or down. The number of live births was consistent. That tells us that women were able to access abortion services prior to the decision.

What changed, overnight, after Roe V Wade was women dying because of botched illegal abortions.
 

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Roe v Wade changed nothing in terms of the numbers of abortions performed in the USA. The birth rate didn't go up or down. The number of live births was consistent. That tells us that women were able to access abortion services prior to the decision.

What changed, overnight, after Roe V Wade was women dying because of botched illegal abortions.
There is no factual basis for that claim.

The birth rate dropped precipitously starting in 72 and continued to drop for several years and has never returned to the same level we saw in 71.

 

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There is no strawman, when we devalue human life with abortion on demand being celebrated we devalue all human life.

You ignore that abortion will always be here. Abortion will always be needed.

Babies born will be with genetic defects and limitations in large numbers to poor women with no resources to care for them, creating a care crisis for these children. Fetal genetic testing cannot be done until 19 weeks and takes 4 to 5 weeks for results. Rich women will continue to get abortions from concierge doctors, or travel to areas where they're legal. Poor women will birth high maintenance children which will devolve to the state for their life long care.

You have accomplished nothing but to increase the ranks of poor women having children they cannot care for.

Stupid is as stupid does.
 

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You ignore that abortion will always be here. Abortion will always be needed.

Babies born will be with genetic defects and limitations in large numbers to poor women with no resources to care for them, creating a care crisis for these children. Fetal genetic testing cannot be done until 19 weeks and takes 4 to 5 weeks for results. Rich women will continue to get abortions from concierge doctors, or travel to areas where they're legal. Poor women will birth high maintenance children which will devolve to the state for their life long care.

You have accomplished nothing but to increase the ranks of poor women having children they cannot care for.

Stupid is as stupid does.
Murder will always be with us as well.

That doesn't mean it isn't right to reduce both to the greatest extent possible and to not glorify abortion on demand.
 

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There is no factual basis for that claim.

The birth rate dropped precipitously starting in 72 and continued to drop for several years and has never returned to the same level we saw in 71.


The live birth rate is dropping because of birth control, and because young women are postponing marriage and childbirth due to economic reasons.


 

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The live birth rate is dropping because of birth control, and because young women are postponing marriage and childbirth due to economic reasons.


Poor attempt at deflection.

Birth control was available in 1971 as well.
 

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Murder will always be with us as well.

That doesn't mean it isn't right to reduce both to the greatest extent possible and to not glorify abortion on demand.

Amazing how you consider it necessary to reduce murder to the greatest extent possible, but you're not prepared to restrict gun ownership which would be the fastest and easiest way to reduce murders and mass shootings.

Your also not prepared to provide the social structures or programs, like a fair minimum wage, maternity leave or child tax benefits to reduce abortions. Far more effective than banning them.

You're not willing to give contraceptives to all working women on their employer health care benefits.

You're only solution to reducing abortion is to ban it.
 

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Amazing how you consider it necessary to reduce murder to the greatest extent possible, but you're not prepared to restrict gun ownership which would be the fastest and easiest way to reduce murders and mass shootings.
Banning guns won't eliminate murder. There isn't even a practical way to do so in a country literally awash in guns and with over 4,000 miles of unsecure borders with a failed Narco State on the southern border.

We don't have to violate the rights of the law abiding to deal with violent crime in a very big way.
 

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You're not willing to give contraceptives to all working women on their employer health care benefits.
Why the hell should anyone be responsible for providing working women with birth control other than herself and her family?
 

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Why the hell should anyone be responsible for providing working women with birth control other than herself and her family?
WOW. Health insurance commonly covers medications to control, blood pressure, diabetes, arthritis, and many more. Why not pregnancy?
 

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If abortion on demand were not available women would be more inclined to screw around a whole lot less and be much more inclined to use contraception when they do so we'd have nowhere near 65 million more Americans without Roe ever being decided in favor of abortion on demand.

Wrong.
Screwing around is natural, normal, and unavoidable for the human species.
If you try to change human nature, like with celibacy, then you will have 100 times more school shooting and insane crimes of violence like that.
Aggression naturally increases geometrically if humans do not have sex regularly.
So it is true you may not have 65 million more humans, you have not have any left alive at all.
Instead you might have a lot more murders.
 

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As if those are the only available options.

Anyone old enough to screw around and make a baby in the US knows there are alternatives to pregnancy than abortion and we have free contraception available for those who can't afford it in many thousands of locations all over the country.

The best way to reduce population growth is to create a healthy growing middle class. Raising babies is expensive and once people realize how nice middle class living is they naturally reduce the number of children they have.

Abortions are risky, painful, and expensive, so not one is deliberately skipping birth control in order to have abortions.
It just so happens that birth control is only about 90% effective.
Abortions then are still necessary.
 

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Abortions are risky, painful, and expensive, so not one is deliberately skipping birth control in order to have abortions.
It just so happens that birth control is only about 90% effective.
Abortions then are still necessary.
You are simply making this up.

Depending on the method used birth control ranges from 94-99% effective when properly used. Use two or more methods and your odds of getting pregnant are astronomically low.

There are women who have had five or more abortions because they chose not to use birth control.
 

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Why the hell should anyone be responsible for providing working women with birth control other than herself and her family?

Because those who need birth control the most are the youngest, who happen to be the poorest and most alone.
 

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Because those who need birth control the most are the youngest, who happen to be the poorest and most alone.
You are making that up and the discussion was about working women with insurance.

There are endless sources of free and reduced price birth control available all over the US so it's a BS argument.
 

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You are simply making this up. There are women who have had five or more abortions because they chose not to use birth control.

No one would choose abortion over birth control unless they medically were unable to take birth control.
Abortions are painful, expensive, and risky.
Some people die.
The $800 cost is way more than the cost of a life time of birth control pills.
It requires injections before a speculum can open the cervix enough to see into the uterus.
It is not a simple or painless process.
 

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You are making that up and the discussion was about working women with insurance.

There are endless sources of free and reduced price birth control available all over the US so it's a BS argument.

Not at all true.
First of all, most women are not working and with insurance.
Second is that there is no source of free birth control in states that want to outlaw abortion.
Those states consider birth control just as sinful as abortion.
 

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Not at all true.
First of all, most women are not working and with insurance.
Second is that there is no source of free birth control in states that want to outlaw abortion.
Those states consider birth control just as sinful as abortion.
You really should learn to read.


Most women of reproductive age are working or have parents who are.


Indeed, most women of fertile age are insured if not through private/work place insurance under Medicaid.


Top talking out of your ass.
 

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