Now that Ailes, Putin, and Trump have broken the U.S., can it be fixed?

[berg80]

Former Trump aides say Vladimir Putin convinced the president that Ukraine tried to sabotage his 2016 victory - contradicting US spy agencies who say it was Moscow that meddled in the election
Former Trump aides say Vladimir Putin convinced president Ukraine tried to sabotage his 2016 victory | Daily Mail Online

"President Trump was convinced by Russia’s Vladimir Putin that Ukraine tried to stop his election in 2016 even though his own intelligence agencies told him there was no evidence to support the claim, according to a new report.

The Russian leader reportedly persuaded Trump that it was Ukraine which meddled in the election during a July 2017 meeting in Hamburg, Germany.

One former senior White House official told The Washington Post that Trump repeated to aides that he knew Ukraine was guilty because ‘Putin told me.’"
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Stephanie Grisham spent more than 5 months appearing exclusively in pro-Trump media -- until impeachment
Stephanie Grisham spent more than 5 months appearing exclusively in pro-Trump media -- until impeachment

"Since starting her job on July 1, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham has given zero briefings and amassed a five-month-plus streak of appearing exclusively in pro-Trump media outlets like Fox News. It wasn’t until the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Donald Trump on December 18 that Grisham finally gave on-camera interviews to any mainstream media outlets."
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Russian Disinformation Distorted Reality in Ukraine. Americans Should Take Note.
Russian Disinformation Distorted Reality in Ukraine. Americans Should Take Note.

"As the 2020 U.S. presidential election approaches, pundits in the United States are naturally looking back to 2016 in an effort to predict just what form Russian interference will take this time around—especially after former special counsel Robert Mueller’s testimony on Capitol Hill last month, during which he warned, “They’re doing it as we sit here.” To understand the threat, Americans would do well to look at previous Russian disinformation campaigns. To gain a fuller picture of just what Russian interference could look like in 2020, it is necessary to look back at the Kremlin’s hybrid war in UkraineTo gain a fuller picture of just what Russian interference could look like in 2020, it is necessary to look back at the Kremlin’s hybrid war in Ukraine from 2014 to 2016."
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The only thing Americans seem to agree on these days is they disagree about virtually everything political. I'm not to saying the origin for this disagreement doesn't go back years, it does. The radicalization of the GOP can be traced to the rise of conservative talk radio in the 80's, a consequence of Reagan's repeal of the Fairness Doctrine.
Reagan's Veto Kills Fairness Doctrine Bill
Since that time news media in all forms has become more polarized, reflecting the personal politics of the populace.

So, here we are. Science is rejected, facts are claimed to be subjective, inveterate liars have credibility, and unflattering news coverage is dismissed as fake.

The salient question is...............can this circumstance be fixed? Can we return to a time when we can rationally discuss the solutions to our problems without getting bogged down in arguments about the nature of those problems.

I am not optimistic.

 

[DustyInfinity]

So the US being fixed would be to believe the world will end in less than 15 years despite Obama's house on Martha's Vinyard? That kind of fixed?

 

[BluesLegend]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

 

[konradv]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

 

[berg80]

So the US being fixed would be to believe the world will end in less than 15 years despite Obama's house on Martha's Vinyard? That kind of fixed?

One example of the US being fixed would be for all of us to accept the empirical evidence, both in terms of data and observing what is happening around the globe, so we can have a discussion about what is to be done. Is that what you were referring to?

 

[cutter]

If we are broken by the best economy in decades, lowest unemployment in decades, manufacturing returning, getting fair trade agreements for the first time since WWII and no end in sight and you call it broken? Well this is the best broken we've ever been and we should keep breaking it. Maybe it needed to be broken.

 

[berg80]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Congress is dysfunctional, political division hasn't been higher since the Civil War, the two sides can't agree on basic facts, we can't effectively govern ourselves................you don't see that as a severe problem?

 

[lennypartiv]

Hey berg80, what spies have you been talking to?

 

[B. Kidd]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

MAGA is now KAGA (Keep America Great Again).
Loser.

 

[The Original Tree]

Two Words:

Professional Troll

Former Trump aides say Vladimir Putin convinced the president that Ukraine tried to sabotage his 2016 victory - contradicting US spy agencies who say it was Moscow that meddled in the election
Former Trump aides say Vladimir Putin convinced president Ukraine tried to sabotage his 2016 victory | Daily Mail Online

"President Trump was convinced by Russia’s Vladimir Putin that Ukraine tried to stop his election in 2016 even though his own intelligence agencies told him there was no evidence to support the claim, according to a new report.

The Russian leader reportedly persuaded Trump that it was Ukraine which meddled in the election during a July 2017 meeting in Hamburg, Germany.

One former senior White House official told The Washington Post that Trump repeated to aides that he knew Ukraine was guilty because ‘Putin told me.’"
.............................................................................................................................................................
Stephanie Grisham spent more than 5 months appearing exclusively in pro-Trump media -- until impeachment
Stephanie Grisham spent more than 5 months appearing exclusively in pro-Trump media -- until impeachment

"Since starting her job on July 1, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham has given zero briefings and amassed a five-month-plus streak of appearing exclusively in pro-Trump media outlets like Fox News. It wasn’t until the House of Representatives voted to impeach President Donald Trump on December 18 that Grisham finally gave on-camera interviews to any mainstream media outlets."
.....................................................................................................................................................
Russian Disinformation Distorted Reality in Ukraine. Americans Should Take Note.
Russian Disinformation Distorted Reality in Ukraine. Americans Should Take Note.

"As the 2020 U.S. presidential election approaches, pundits in the United States are naturally looking back to 2016 in an effort to predict just what form Russian interference will take this time around—especially after former special counsel Robert Mueller’s testimony on Capitol Hill last month, during which he warned, “They’re doing it as we sit here.” To understand the threat, Americans would do well to look at previous Russian disinformation campaigns. To gain a fuller picture of just what Russian interference could look like in 2020, it is necessary to look back at the Kremlin’s hybrid war in UkraineTo gain a fuller picture of just what Russian interference could look like in 2020, it is necessary to look back at the Kremlin’s hybrid war in Ukraine from 2014 to 2016."
.....................................................................................................................................
The only thing Americans seem to agree on these days is they disagree about virtually everything political. I'm not to saying the origin for this disagreement doesn't go back years, it does. The radicalization of the GOP can be traced to the rise of conservative talk radio in the 80's, a consequence of Reagan's repeal of the Fairness Doctrine.
Reagan's Veto Kills Fairness Doctrine Bill
Since that time news media in all forms has become more polarized, reflecting the personal politics of the populace.

So, here we are. Science is rejected, facts are claimed to be subjective, inveterate liars have credibility, and unflattering news coverage is dismissed as fake.

The salient question is...............can this circumstance be fixed? Can we return to a time when we can rationally discuss the solutions to our problems without getting bogged down in arguments about the nature of those problems.

I am not optimistic.

 

[berg80]

If we are broken by the best economy in decades, lowest unemployment in decades, manufacturing returning, getting fair trade agreements for the first time since WWII and no end in sight and you call it broken? Well this is the best broken we've ever been and we should keep breaking it. Maybe it needed to be broken.

But, certainly you recognize the cyclicality of the economy, right? The good times have been extended by a budget busting tax cut. They will come to an end and things will get better again.
What won't change is the division. The inability to agree on what represents objective truth. If we can't solve that problem what hope is there this experiment in democracy will last another 200 years?

 

[konradv]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

MAGA is now KAGA (Keep America Great Again). Loser.

I prefer MASA(Make America Sane Again).

 

[berg80]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

MAGA is now KAGA (Keep America Great Again).
Loser.

America needs to be changed so we can talk to each other again in agreement that the sky is blue.

 

[BluesLegend]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

No

 

[B. Kidd]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

MAGA is now KAGA (Keep America Great Again).
Loser.

America needs to be changed so we can talk to each other again in agreement that the sky is blue.

No rainbows, unicorns, and utopia's for you.......

 

[BluesLegend]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Congress is dysfunctional, political division hasn't been higher since the Civil War, the two sides can't agree on basic facts, we can't effectively govern ourselves................you don't see that as a severe problem?

I'm sorry I was busy reviewing president Trump's many wins, judicial appointments, and historic high stock market. What?

 

[BluesLegend]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

MAGA is now KAGA (Keep America Great Again).
Loser.

America needs to be changed so we can talk to each other again in agreement that the sky is blue.

There is no working with lowlife scheming traitor Democrats. You don't negotiate with Dems you defeat them.

 

[iceberg]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

MAGA is now KAGA (Keep America Great Again).
Loser.

America needs to be changed so we can talk to each other again in agreement that the sky is blue.

Then quit trying to sell the crap drama.

 

[berg80]

Putin’s propaganda portrayed Ukraine as a fascist state filled with anti-Semites. Despite Ukrainians’ election of a Jewish president, the image has stuck.

Putin's propaganda has also lead Trump to be impeached due to his pursuit of the batshyte crazy conspiracy theory Vlad stuck in Trump's head.

Putin's goal is to sow discord in the US and to diminish our leadership in the world. HE IS WINNING.

 

[konradv]

I love these liberal TDS threads. This one is especially butthurt, posts a manifesto. The U.S. is broken?

Isn't that what Trump's saying with MAGA?

No

Then what? You're honestly not making much sense.