Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[Coyote]

Palestine does not categorize people into different rights.

Sure they do. You don't hear them yelling "Rip the hearts out of Jews and Arabs equally!"

Is it written in the law anywhere?

It doesn’t have to be written into “ law” The Palestinians have declared that the Jewish people have no right to prey at the Western Wall. Just one small example
Ironically, Tinmore posted a You Tube Video not too long ago in which a Palestinian Young Woman very reluctantly stated that Palestinians and Israelis could live together but basically Palestine was for the Palestinians.

it does matter if it is written into the laws. For example throughout this conversation, we have had posters claiming Israel is apartheid, but where in the laws is there anything supporting this claim? The same arguments are brought up over discrimmination for example. There is what is in the state's laws on side... And then how people choose to act on the other.

 

[Coyote]

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

That is a problem with these comparisons...all people who are citizens of Spain can be Spanish. That is not the case with Judaism and Israel...

Russians can be citizens of Slovenia. They can't become ethnic Slovenes.

Catalans can be citizens of Spain. That doesn't make them Spanish.

Just so Arabs can be citizens of Israel. And Jews can be citizens of Palestine but they remain ethnically Arabs and Jews.

But people can convert to Judaism and become Jews.

Does Slovenia have different categories of citizenship? One for ethnic Slovenes and one for others?

 

[USAF 2023]

The Palestinians have declared that the Jewish people have no right to prey at the Western Wall

Thats going well then

Is it a law?

Ever hear the phrase “ Actions speak Louder then Words?”According to the U.N. Jordan was supposed to let the Israelis have access to their Religious Sites but refused. If you prohibit someone from doing something they have the Right to do, why does it matter whether it’s written or not and why don’t you condemn it? Ecause you are a.

 

[Humanity]

The Palestinians have declared that the Jewish people have no right to prey at the Western Wall

Thats going well then

Is it a law?

Ever hear the phrase “ Actions speak Louder then Words?”According to the U.N. Jordan was supposed to let the Israelis have access to their Religious Sites but refused. If you prohibit someone from doing something they have the Right to do, why does it matter whether it’s written or not and why don’t you condemn it? Ecause you are a.

Oh dear, did you forget your meds today?

If you want to try and post that again when you have taken them then you may actually make some sense!

Do you really want to discuss what the UN says? That one always sends you zionuts like you running for cover!

 

[rylah]

No rub, Palestine was vested wholly with the sovereignty of the Jewish nation.

Got a link?

Of course, April 25 1920

It was agreed –

(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the procès-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.

(b) that the terms of the Mandates Article should be as follows:

The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognized as independent States, subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the Mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powers.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 8th [2nd] November, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

San Remo Convention - Palestine Mandate - 1920

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

Q. Was there any other sovereign nation named?

 

[rylah]

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

That is a problem with these comparisons...all people who are citizens of Spain can be Spanish. That is not the case with Judaism and Israel...

Russians can be citizens of Slovenia. They can't become ethnic Slovenes.

Catalans can be citizens of Spain. That doesn't make them Spanish.

Just so Arabs can be citizens of Israel. And Jews can be citizens of Palestine but they remain ethnically Arabs and Jews.

That is simply NOT true!

Nothing precludes Catalans from being Spanish!!! They have Spanish nationality!

There is nothing written that says that a Catalan cannot be Spanish. Spain is NOT Israel!

Yes and nothing precludes You from calling Yourself Chinese or Gypsy if feels like.
Or identifying with a new sexual orientation every week or so.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ et al,

Are we sure that this is the current political policy that the Arab Palestinians are promoting? I'm not sure everyone is reading off the same page; especially the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Jerusalem SHOULD be corpus separatum moron!

That would fit your zionut ass perfectly eh!

(COMMENT)

The PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department (NAD) holds that:

​

In 1988, after the Kingdom of Jordan cut all ties with the Palestinians west of the Jordan River, and while the Israelis had effective control of these formerly annex and sovereign territories, the following declaration was made (excerpt):

The Palestine National Council hereby declares,
in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people,
the establishment of the
State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.
​

I'm not sure that policy has changed.

It is my observation that the Hostile Arab Palestinians representing the general Arab Palestinian Population, do not want "Jerusalem and its environs (including the city of Bethlehem to the south) were to be administered internationally as a separate entity, or corpus separatum."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Humanity]

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

That is a problem with these comparisons...all people who are citizens of Spain can be Spanish. That is not the case with Judaism and Israel...

Russians can be citizens of Slovenia. They can't become ethnic Slovenes.

Catalans can be citizens of Spain. That doesn't make them Spanish.

Just so Arabs can be citizens of Israel. And Jews can be citizens of Palestine but they remain ethnically Arabs and Jews.

That is simply NOT true!

Nothing precludes Catalans from being Spanish!!! They have Spanish nationality!

There is nothing written that says that a Catalan cannot be Spanish. Spain is NOT Israel!

Yes and nothing precludes You from calling Yourself Chinese or Gypsy if feels like.
Or identifying with a new sexual orientation every week or so.

In an attempt to keep you focused on the comment...

Catalans are Spanish. Don't you agree?

 

[Sixties Fan]

This country, the law avers, will not become just a "country of its citizens" whose main ideology is "man's honor and freedom" nor will it become a bi-national state. It will be a Jewish state with equal rights for minorities.

What bore witness to the greatness of the hour, albeit by means of irony and intentional malice, was the sight of Arab MKs tearing the law to bits in front of the cameras. If anything, this showed beyond doubt how necessary and important the law is. The Arab MKs displayed their real opinion of Israel and their unending subversion, support for Hamas and the Mavi Marmara, their serving as microphones for terrorists and IDF haters, are justification enough for a clear and precise Nationality Law.

(full article online)

From the Hebrew press: On the Nationality Law

 

[rylah]

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

That is a problem with these comparisons...all people who are citizens of Spain can be Spanish. That is not the case with Judaism and Israel...

Russians can be citizens of Slovenia. They can't become ethnic Slovenes.

Catalans can be citizens of Spain. That doesn't make them Spanish.

Just so Arabs can be citizens of Israel. And Jews can be citizens of Palestine but they remain ethnically Arabs and Jews.

That is simply NOT true!

Nothing precludes Catalans from being Spanish!!! They have Spanish nationality!

There is nothing written that says that a Catalan cannot be Spanish. Spain is NOT Israel!

Yes and nothing precludes You from calling Yourself Chinese or Gypsy if feels like.
Or identifying with a new sexual orientation every week or so.

In an attempt to keep you focused on the comment...

Catalans are Spanish. Don't you agree?

Ask me about the middle east...Some call Kurds 'Arabs', some call them 'Syrians'...yet they're distinctly Kurds plain and simple.

 

[Humanity]

yet they're distinctly Kurds plain and simple.

What makes them distinctly Kurds?

 

[rylah]

yet they're distinctly Kurds plain and simple.

What makes them distinctly Kurds?

All the usual properties of a distinct nation/ethnic group.
Behavior, looks, tradition, social structure, music, food, history and land.

 

[Shusha]

Does Slovenia have different categories of citizenship? One for ethnic Slovenes and one for others?

Israel does not have different categories of citizenship. All citizens are equal in law.

 

[Shusha]

I disagree. Here is the issue. Other ethnic groups may share a religion but they are not themselves a religion and that does seperate Judaism from being just an ethnic group.

This makes no difference whatsoever. All cultures have some combination of religion and a list of other attributes which form the culture. This doesn't mean that the culture and nationality of the Jewish people should be treated differently than other cultures or that different rules should apply to them.

 

[Humanity]

Does Slovenia have different categories of citizenship? One for ethnic Slovenes and one for others?

Israel does not have different categories of citizenship. All citizens are equal in law.

As has been shown. That is clearly not the case!

 

[Humanity]

I disagree. Here is the issue. Other ethnic groups may share a religion but they are not themselves a religion and that does seperate Judaism from being just an ethnic group.

This makes no difference whatsoever. All cultures have some combination of religion and a list of other attributes which form the culture. This doesn't mean that the culture and nationality of the Jewish people should be treated differently than other cultures or that different rules should apply to them.

I am not sure that it is other people treating "Jewish people" differently... I think that Israel and her policies does that very nicely!

Note: I used "Israel and her policies" rather than "Jewish people" as you used. I think it's important to distinguish between the two! Though it would seem that many Team Israel find it hard to make that distinction.

 

[Shusha]

Nothing precludes Catalans from being Spanish!!! They have Spanish nationality!

There is nothing written that says that a Catalan cannot be Spanish.

Just so, nothing precludes Arabs from being Israeli, that is holding Israeli citizenship.

A Catalan holds Spanish nationality but is culturally, ethnically Catalan. That is the WHOLE POINT of their drive for self-determination and sovereignty. They wish to live in a nation state where their own culture and language is expressed. That is the foundation of self-determination which is written into the Constitutions of MOST countries in the world.

If your argument is that there is nothing wrong with or discriminatory about Catalans living in a Spanish state, built around the nationality of the Spanish people, and being forced (by law) to speak Spanish (Castillian) -- then there is nothing wrong or discriminatory about Arabs living in a Jewish state, built around the nationality of the Jewish people.

But if your argument is that NO COUNTRY should be permitted to write an expression of ethnic or cultural self-determination into their Basic Law or Constitutions then you have a whole world which needs to change.

But so far on this thread, Team P insists that only Israel should be disabled in how they write their constitution. As Eugene K wrote: It can't be about the laws, so it must be about the Jews.

 

[Shusha]

I am not sure that it is other people treating "Jewish people" differently... I think that Israel and her policies does that very nicely!

But Israel's Basic Laws are EXACTLY THE SAME as most other countries in the world. So clearly, it is not about Israel's policies.

 

[Shusha]

Does Slovenia have different categories of citizenship? One for ethnic Slovenes and one for others?

Israel does not have different categories of citizenship. All citizens are equal in law.

As has been shown. That is clearly not the case!

That has NOT been shown to be the case. There is no distinction in citizenship by ethnicity or religion and it is expressly illegal to discriminate in Israel based on race, nationality, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

As I have stated before on this thread, the laws listed by Adalah are not written to discriminate based on ethnic group or religion. For example, you quoted that there are two educations systems. This is not legislated discrimination against Arabs. If anything, it is the opposite. Its affirmative action which respects a minority group to go to school in their own language and with their own cultural curriculum. We have the same thing here with French schools in English-speaking Canada. If I am not mistaken there are also schools in the US and Canada which are taught in First Nations languages.

 

[Olde Europe]

it does matter if it is written into the laws. For example throughout this conversation, we have had posters claiming Israel is apartheid, but where in the laws is there anything supporting this claim? The same arguments are brought up over discrimmination for example. There is what is in the state's laws on side... And then how people choose to act on the other.

To be read in conjunction:

The Inequality Report

The Discriminatory Laws Database

Since the "Report" had been filed, Netanyahu and his reactionary coalition partners got to work, and the situation got much, much worse. The Nationality Law is set to speed up things even more, as Jewish nationality gets even more weight against the already feeble, and barely, if at all, implemented protections against discrimination.