Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[fncceo]

Like the official implementation of apartheid to ensure Boer values were preserved.

Unlike the Dutch people, Jews originated in the land of Israel.
Do You see any reference to skin color?

Jews originated in Mesopetainia...Fool

Mesopetunias?

Or, Mesopotamia?

 

[Humanity]

Treat all citizens equally? It does.

Clearly it doesn't! Just two examples...

Opinion | Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

Apples an oranges. Palestine has always been multi religious.

Apples and Oranges. So has Israel. If Israel can’t be both primarily Jewish and Democratic then Palestine can’t be both primarily Palestinian and Democratic

I really don't get why you keep on with a nonsensical comparison!

Israel - Jewish and Democratic? Hardly!

As the Palestinians don't have a state at the moment you are simply demonising the Palestinians!

However, to compare apples and oranges you would have to say... Palestine - Muslim and Democratic!

See the difference!

 

[theliq]

Like the official implementation of apartheid to ensure Boer values were preserved.

Unlike the Dutch people, Jews originated in the land of Israel.
Do You see any reference to skin color?

Jews originated in Mesopetainia...Fool

Mesopetunias?

Or, Mesopotamia?

Lol...Well anywhere other than the Holy Land AKA Palestine

 

[Olde Europe]

Palestine does not categorize people into different rights.

Yeah, that's the core point.

Hence the lying about the Slovak citizen - as misrepresented as an ethnic Slovak - and the Spanish citizen - as misrepresented as an ethnic Spanish (etc. etc. etc.).

Hence the deliberate confusion about a religion (Jewish) that doubles as "nationality", for it were a national catastrophe if Judaism were reduced to a mere religion.

Hence the claim to equal treatment of all Israeli citizens, countered with dozens of discriminatory laws, "countered" with lack of time to go through all of them, followed up - no doubt - by renewed claims to equal treatment of all Israeli citizens.

Hence the disingenuous, false claim that the extraordinary nature of the Nationality Law is just what others are doing, but only Jews are being criticized for it. The victim card is worn out, it's been played so often.

Hence the mendacious accusation that Palestine, while formally granting universal human and civil rights to all her citizen, plans ethnic cleansing to avoid granting rights to non-Arabs.

Everyone knows that Spain and Slovakia are apartheid states, and, while doing the same as Slovakia and Spain, Israel still isn't, because...

Yeah, the hasbara peddlers are nothing if not ingenuous, and one has to marvel at the intellectual work going into justifying the unjustifiable, contributing to political developments both in Israel and abroad that will have everyone worse off.

C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people​

Of course, double standards is standard fare in politics, and the charge of double standards (as applied to Jews and Jews only) is standard in the hasbara peddlers' toolbox. Yet, the textbook definition of double standards is to declare the above quote "just what everyone does", and "acceptable", and this below, were it to find its way into the German Constitution, outrageous and an abomination (which it is):

C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Germany is unique to Aryan Germans.

As far as I am concerned, case closed.

 

[theliq]

Palestine does not categorize people into different rights.

Yeah, that's the core point.

Hence the lying about the Slovak citizen - as misrepresented as an ethnic Slovak - and the Spanish citizen - as misrepresented as an ethnic Spanish (etc. etc. etc.).

Hence the deliberate confusion about a religion (Jewish) that doubles as "nationality", for it were a national catastrophe if Judaism were reduced to a mere religion.

Hence the claim to equal treatment of all Israeli citizens, countered with dozens of discriminatory laws, "countered" with lack of time to go through all of them, followed up - no doubt - by renewed claims to equal treatment of all Israeli citizens.

Hence the disingenuous, false claim that the extraordinary nature of the Nationality Law is just what others are doing, but only Jews are being criticized for it. The victim card is worn out, it's been played so often.

Hence the mendacious accusation that Palestine, while formally granting universal human and civil rights to all her citizen, plans ethnic cleansing to avoid granting rights to non-Arabs.

Everyone knows that Spain and Slovakia are apartheid states, and, while doing the same as Slovakia and Spain, Israel still isn't, because...

Yeah, the hasbara peddlers are nothing if not ingenuous, and one has to marvel at the intellectual work going into justifying the unjustifiable, contributing to political developments both in Israel and abroad that will have everyone worse off.

C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people​

Of course, double standards is standard fare in politics, and the charge of double standards (as applied to Jews and Jews only) is standard in the hasbara peddlers' toolbox. Yet, the textbook definition of double standards is to declare the above quote "just what everyone does", and "acceptable", and this below, were it to find its way into the German Constitution, outrageous and an abomination (which it is):

C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Germany is unique to Aryan Germans.

As far as I am concerned, case closed.

Who cares about your concerns,you speak shit

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, I'll try this one more time.

Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!

Why do the Palestinians need permission to have a state inside their own borders? Whose borders is Israel inside?

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians do not need permission to set borders. (I have no idea where you get such thoughts.) Borders are a by-product of establishing sovereignty. (Supreme Authority over a territorial area. Each area has a shape, that shape being represented by lines known as a border.) Where ever the Arab Palestinians have become the Supreme Authority, the geography associated with that sovereign control is bounded by a border.

There is a direct relationship between supreme authority over territorial - and - the p[erimeter of that territory called a border.

No area can be defined without a shape. And each shape must have a defined border. The shape inherently has a border. It need not ask for permission. IF a people have a country of any size and area, THEN it has a border.

In order for a people to have a country, an independent and self-governing territory, it must have the supreme authority.

(QUESTION)

Where does the Arab Palestinian maintain Supreme Authority?

(COMMENT)

Don't be confused by the names.

England is NOT a sovereignty unto itself. England is part of Great Britan; along with Wales, and Scotland. The entire sovereignty is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

Get away from this naming convention you've invented. Draw a perimeter around the territory over which is under one sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's not get mad.

The establishment of an independent Jewish State gradually became more appealing.

Of course none of those assholes gave any consideration to the Palestinians. It was all grab, grab, grab.

There is much more to the issuance of the "British Whited Paper of 1939" than meets the eye.

Indeed, Britain tried to smooth over what they fucked up. Good job, Palestine is still fucked up.

(COMMENT)

There is no one single reason or mistake for the evolution into the current situation. There is no one political entity that is responsible for the current situation. But there is one entity that is principally responsible for the lack of progress towards peace; that being the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OH, I'll try this one more time.

Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!

Why do the Palestinians need permission to have a state inside their own borders? Whose borders is Israel inside?

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians do not need permission to set borders. (I have no idea where you get such thoughts.) Borders are a by-product of establishing sovereignty. (Supreme Authority over a territorial area. Each area has a shape, that shape being represented by lines known as a border.) Where ever the Arab Palestinians have become the Supreme Authority, the geography associated with that sovereign control is bounded by a border.

There is a direct relationship between supreme authority over territorial - and - the p[erimeter of that territory called a border.

No area can be defined without a shape. And each shape must have a defined border. The shape inherently has a border. It need not ask for permission. IF a people have a country of any size and area, THEN it has a border.

In order for a people to have a country, an independent and self-governing territory, it must have the supreme authority.

(QUESTION)

Where does the Arab Palestinian maintain Supreme Authority?

(COMMENT)

Don't be confused by the names.

England is NOT a sovereignty unto itself. England is part of Great Britan; along with Wales, and Scotland. The entire sovereignty is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

Get away from this naming convention you've invented. Draw a perimeter around the territory over which is under one sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

Draw a perimeter around the territory over which is under one sovereignty.

Occupations doe not acquire sovereignty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's not get mad.

The establishment of an independent Jewish State gradually became more appealing.

Of course none of those assholes gave any consideration to the Palestinians. It was all grab, grab, grab.

There is much more to the issuance of the "British Whited Paper of 1939" than meets the eye.

Indeed, Britain tried to smooth over what they fucked up. Good job, Palestine is still fucked up.

(COMMENT)

There is no one single reason or mistake for the evolution into the current situation. There is no one political entity that is responsible for the current situation. But there is one entity that is principally responsible for the lack of progress towards peace; that being the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not mad. Just honest.

Another one of your slime the Palestinians post.

 

[mudwhistle]

Like the official implementation of apartheid to ensure Boer values were preserved.

Unlike the Dutch people, Jews originated in the land of Israel.
Do You see any reference to skin color?

Jews originated in Mesopetainia...Fool

So did you.

 

[mudwhistle]

RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's not get mad.

The establishment of an independent Jewish State gradually became more appealing.

Of course none of those assholes gave any consideration to the Palestinians. It was all grab, grab, grab.

There is much more to the issuance of the "British Whited Paper of 1939" than meets the eye.

Indeed, Britain tried to smooth over what they fucked up. Good job, Palestine is still fucked up.

(COMMENT)

There is no one single reason or mistake for the evolution into the current situation. There is no one political entity that is responsible for the current situation. But there is one entity that is principally responsible for the lack of progress towards peace; that being the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not mad. Just honest.

Another one of your slime the Palestinians post.

I think Palestinians are used as pawns by Arab countries the way blacks are used by Dimocraps.

 

[Humanity]

The Arab Palestinians do not need permission to set borders.

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Asking permission? No, of course not... But I suspect that there may be a few people upset by their simply declaring their borders without negotiation. Don't you agree?

 

[Coyote]

The equality of all citizens of Israel is firmly entrenched in law.

So why doesn't it then?

Treat all citizens equally? It does.

Clearly it doesn't! Just two examples...

Opinion | Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

Palestinian is not a religious group or an ethnic group.

 

[Coyote]

Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!

They don’t. Neither do the Palestinians....

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arab Palestinians do not need permission to set borders.

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Asking permission? No, of course not... But I suspect that there may be a few people upset by their simply declaring their borders without negotiation. Don't you agree?

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Already done.

 

[Coyote]

Treat all citizens equally? It does.

Clearly it doesn't! Just two examples...

Opinion | Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

That is a problem with these comparisons...all people who are citizens of Spain can be Spanish. That is not the case with Judaism and Israel...

 

[Coyote]

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

Does Israel?

Are you trying to say that Israel doesn't?!?!?!?!

Surely there has been more than enough shown in this thread to confirm that?!?!

Further... Did Latvia, Slovenia, Spain feel the need to declare themselves a 'Christian state'?

They proclaim their ethnic national roots. Same as Israel.

Judaism is also a religion, it is disengenius to put it forth as just an ethnic group.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!

They don’t. Neither do the Palestinians....

So why is there a problem?

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

 

[Coyote]

Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!

They don’t. Neither do the Palestinians....

So why is there a problem?

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

The problem is when more than one group of people claim the same land.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!

They don’t. Neither do the Palestinians....

So why is there a problem?

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

The problem is when more than one group of people claim the same land.

Indeed, but it is all inside Palestine's international borders. That is the rub.

DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE​