Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[rylah]

It was until 1924 when the Palestinians acquired their nationality, Palestine acquired territory defined by international borders, and the Palestinians became citizens of Palestine.

Yes. And yes. And yes.

And that Palestine (after Jordan was removed) became, according to the Parties Concerned by virtue of historical rights, was established as the reconstitution of the National Homeland (State) of the Jewish people and has subsequently been re-named Israel through their Declaration of Independence and given recognition by the international community.

Where was Jewish state mentioned?

What difference does it make? What wording is required in order for a state to form? Or what wording prohibits a state from forming? You are trying to create a standard for a Jewish state that doesn't apply to any other Palestinian or former Ottoman state.

It was not to be a Jewish state.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.'

Churchill White Paper (1922)

But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939

It was, it is.
Work towards Jewish independence started long before the British occupation.

The White Paper was illegal, Britain had obligations, facilitating Jewish immigration was one.
In fact Britain did was the opposite, blocked the Jews and aided the Arabs.

 

[Humanity]

The Arab Palestinians do not need permission to set borders.

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Asking permission? No, of course not... But I suspect that there may be a few people upset by their simply declaring their borders without negotiation. Don't you agree?

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Already done.

Well, with Israel declaring a unified capital, how does Palestine cement their declared border to incorporate East Jerusalem or, for that matter, the whole of Jerusalem?

The point is that it is NOT as simple as self declaration of borders!

 

[rylah]

The Arab Palestinians do not need permission to set borders.

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Asking permission? No, of course not... But I suspect that there may be a few people upset by their simply declaring their borders without negotiation. Don't you agree?

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Already done.

Well, with Israel declaring a unified capital, how does Palestine cement their declared border to incorporate East Jerusalem or, for that matter, the whole of Jerusalem?

The point is that it is NOT as simple as self declaration of borders!

Why should Jerusalem be an Arab capital, was it ever?

 

[Humanity]

The Arab Palestinians do not need permission to set borders.

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Asking permission? No, of course not... But I suspect that there may be a few people upset by their simply declaring their borders without negotiation. Don't you agree?

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Already done.

Well, with Israel declaring a unified capital, how does Palestine cement their declared border to incorporate East Jerusalem or, for that matter, the whole of Jerusalem?

The point is that it is NOT as simple as self declaration of borders!

Why should Jerusalem be an Arab capital, was it ever?

Did I say it should be? Did I saw it was? NO!

Something going wrong in your head again? Keep up and read what the thread is about before commenting crap!

 

[rylah]

Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!

They don’t. Neither do the Palestinians....

So why is there a problem?

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

A/C.1/330 of 14 October 1948

The problem is when more than one group of people claim the same land.

Indeed, but it is all inside Palestine's international borders. That is the rub.

DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE​

No rub, Palestine was vested wholly with the sovereignty of the Jewish nation.
The parts that were alloted to a different, Arab sovereign, were established on the other side of the river.


Anything beyond is an act of great generosity.

 

[rylah]

The Arab Palestinians do not need permission to set borders.

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Asking permission? No, of course not... But I suspect that there may be a few people upset by their simply declaring their borders without negotiation. Don't you agree?

What would happen if Arab Palestinians followed the original plans and set their border incorporating East Jerusalem, for example?

Already done.

Well, with Israel declaring a unified capital, how does Palestine cement their declared border to incorporate East Jerusalem or, for that matter, the whole of Jerusalem?

The point is that it is NOT as simple as self declaration of borders!

Why should Jerusalem be an Arab capital, was it ever?

Did I say it should be? Did I saw it was? NO!

Something going wrong in your head again? Keep up and read what the thread is about before commenting crap!

I say Paris should be governed by a mayor from a different country each quarter.
Even BETTER - lets get some 100 mayors from all corners of the world, to govern Paris,
For all we know it's a world heritage that doesn't belong only to the French...

JERUSALEM - UNITED, BUILDING and JEWISH.

 

[rylah]

Already done.

Well, with Israel declaring a unified capital, how does Palestine cement their declared border to incorporate East Jerusalem or, for that matter, the whole of Jerusalem?

The point is that it is NOT as simple as self declaration of borders!

Why should Jerusalem be an Arab capital, was it ever?

Did I say it should be? Did I saw it was? NO!

Something going wrong in your head again? Keep up and read what the thread is about before commenting crap!

I say Paris should be governed by a mayor from a different country each quarter.
Even BETTER - lets get some 100 mayors from all corners of the world, to govern Paris,
For all we know it's a world heritage that doesn't belong only to the French...

JERUSALEM - UNITED, BUILDING and JEWISH.

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC MORON!

Your attempt at hilarity fails because you are a failure!

Either post in context idiot of piss off!

I guess You're pissed because it's YOUR CAPITAL that was suggested to be a corpus separatum.

 

[Humanity]

Well, with Israel declaring a unified capital, how does Palestine cement their declared border to incorporate East Jerusalem or, for that matter, the whole of Jerusalem?

The point is that it is NOT as simple as self declaration of borders!

Why should Jerusalem be an Arab capital, was it ever?

Did I say it should be? Did I saw it was? NO!

Something going wrong in your head again? Keep up and read what the thread is about before commenting crap!

I say Paris should be governed by a mayor from a different country each quarter.
Even BETTER - lets get some 100 mayors from all corners of the world, to govern Paris,
For all we know it's a world heritage that doesn't belong only to the French...

JERUSALEM - UNITED, BUILDING and JEWISH.

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC MORON!

Your attempt at hilarity fails because you are a failure!

Either post in context idiot of piss off!

I guess You're pissed because it's YOUR CAPITAL that was suggested to be a corpus separatum.

Jerusalem SHOULD be corpus separatum moron!

That would fit your zionut ass perfectly eh!

 

[rylah]

Why should Jerusalem be an Arab capital, was it ever?

Did I say it should be? Did I saw it was? NO!

Something going wrong in your head again? Keep up and read what the thread is about before commenting crap!

I say Paris should be governed by a mayor from a different country each quarter.
Even BETTER - lets get some 100 mayors from all corners of the world, to govern Paris,
For all we know it's a world heritage that doesn't belong only to the French...

JERUSALEM - UNITED, BUILDING and JEWISH.

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC MORON!

Your attempt at hilarity fails because you are a failure!

Either post in context idiot of piss off!

I guess You're pissed because it's YOUR CAPITAL that was suggested to be a corpus separatum.

Jerusalem SHOULD be corpus separatum moron!

That would fit your zionut ass perfectly eh!

Therefore knowing beforehand of Your obsession with Jerusalem, I suggested we do the same to Paris.

Maybe we should even give a street to each country in YOUR capital, and who knows maybe an Afghani mayor is good for Washington DC...

 

[Shusha]

Palestine does not categorize people into different rights.

Sure they do. You don't hear them yelling "Rip the hearts out of Jews and Arabs equally!"

 

[Shusha]

Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!

They don’t. Neither do the Palestinians....

We agree. But the argument made by some here that the Jewish people were never meant to have a state, but only a homeland, is then shown to be a false argument.

 

[Shusha]

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

Does Israel?

Are you trying to say that Israel doesn't?!?!?!?!

Surely there has been more than enough shown in this thread to confirm that?!?!

Further... Did Latvia, Slovenia, Spain feel the need to declare themselves a 'Christian state'?

They proclaim their ethnic national roots. Same as Israel.

Judaism is also a religion, it is disengenius to put it forth as just an ethnic group.

Most ethic groups and cultures have a religion incorporated into it. It is part of the frame that makes up and ethnic culture.

What people are trying to do is disable (deny) the Jewish people by claiming they are ONLY a religion and therefore different rules apply to them.

 

[Shusha]

Clearly it doesn't! Just two examples...

Opinion | Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

That is a problem with these comparisons...all people who are citizens of Spain can be Spanish. That is not the case with Judaism and Israel...

Russians can be citizens of Slovenia. They can't become ethnic Slovenes.

Catalans can be citizens of Spain. That doesn't make them Spanish.

Just so Arabs can be citizens of Israel. And Jews can be citizens of Palestine but they remain ethnically Arabs and Jews.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No rub, Palestine was vested wholly with the sovereignty of the Jewish nation.

Got a link?

 

[Humanity]

Did I say it should be? Did I saw it was? NO!

Something going wrong in your head again? Keep up and read what the thread is about before commenting crap!

I say Paris should be governed by a mayor from a different country each quarter.
Even BETTER - lets get some 100 mayors from all corners of the world, to govern Paris,
For all we know it's a world heritage that doesn't belong only to the French...

JERUSALEM - UNITED, BUILDING and JEWISH.

COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC MORON!

Your attempt at hilarity fails because you are a failure!

Either post in context idiot of piss off!

I guess You're pissed because it's YOUR CAPITAL that was suggested to be a corpus separatum.

Jerusalem SHOULD be corpus separatum moron!

That would fit your zionut ass perfectly eh!

Therefore knowing beforehand of Your obsession with Jerusalem, I suggested we do the same to Paris.

Maybe we should even give a street to each country in YOUR capital, and who knows maybe an Afghani mayor is good for Washington DC...

Your fixation with Paris is hilarious!

Maybe we should divide Paris between France and Germany. That would work eh. You dumbfuck!

 

[Humanity]

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

That is a problem with these comparisons...all people who are citizens of Spain can be Spanish. That is not the case with Judaism and Israel...

Russians can be citizens of Slovenia. They can't become ethnic Slovenes.

Catalans can be citizens of Spain. That doesn't make them Spanish.

Just so Arabs can be citizens of Israel. And Jews can be citizens of Palestine but they remain ethnically Arabs and Jews.

That is simply NOT true!

Nothing precludes Catalans from being Spanish!!! They have Spanish nationality!

There is nothing written that says that a Catalan cannot be Spanish. Spain is NOT Israel!

 

[Coyote]

Palestine does not categorize people into different rights.

Sure they do. You don't hear them yelling "Rip the hearts out of Jews and Arabs equally!"

Is it written in the law anywhere?

 

[USAF 2023]

Palestine does not categorize people into different rights.

Sure they do. You don't hear them yelling "Rip the hearts out of Jews and Arabs equally!"

Is it written in the law anywhere?

It doesn’t have to be written into “ law” The Palestinians have declared that the Jewish people have no right to prey at the Western Wall. Just one small example
Ironically, Tinmore posted a You Tube Video not too long ago in which a Palestinian Young Woman very reluctantly stated that Palestinians and Israelis could live together but basically Palestine was for the Palestinians.

 

[Humanity]

The Palestinians have declared that the Jewish people have no right to prey at the Western Wall

Thats going well then

Is it a law?

 

[Coyote]

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

Does Israel?

Are you trying to say that Israel doesn't?!?!?!?!

Surely there has been more than enough shown in this thread to confirm that?!?!

Further... Did Latvia, Slovenia, Spain feel the need to declare themselves a 'Christian state'?

They proclaim their ethnic national roots. Same as Israel.

Judaism is also a religion, it is disengenius to put it forth as just an ethnic group.

Most ethic groups and cultures have a religion incorporated into it. It is part of the frame that makes up and ethnic culture.

What people are trying to do is disable (deny) the Jewish people by claiming they are ONLY a religion and therefore different rules apply to them.

I disagree. Here is the issue. Other ethnic groups may share a religion but they are not themselves a religion and that does seperate Judaism from being just an ethnic group.

You cant pick and choose anymore than your opponents can when they insist it is only a religion.