Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

It was until 1924 when the Palestinians acquired their nationality, Palestine acquired territory defined by international borders, and the Palestinians became citizens of Palestine.

Yes. And yes. And yes.

And that Palestine (after Jordan was removed) became, according to the Parties Concerned by virtue of historical rights, was established as the reconstitution of the National Homeland (State) of the Jewish people and has subsequently been re-named Israel through their Declaration of Independence and given recognition by the international community.
Where was Jewish state mentioned?

What difference does it make? What wording is required in order for a state to form? Or what wording prohibits a state from forming? You are trying to create a standard for a Jewish state that doesn't apply to any other Palestinian or former Ottoman state.
It was not to be a Jewish state.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.'

Churchill White Paper (1922)

But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939
 
It was not to be a Jewish state.

Why not? Is there a specific prohibition on the Jewish people from having a state formed around their national culture?

I guess he never heard of the Balfour Declaration. If there was not to be a Jewish State then by definition it was not to be a “ Palestinian State” To suggest that one group can have something but the other group can’t isnt making people feel inclusive and therefore by definition is an apartheid Gov’t. :eusa_naughty:
 
Israel, IMHO, is not a true democracy. Democracies treat all citizens equally. Israel doesn't!

The equality of all citizens of Israel is firmly entrenched in law.

So why doesn't it then?

Treat all citizens equally? It does.

Clearly it doesn't! Just two examples...

Opinion | Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs

Second article is interesting, on two levels. One is - why block Israel's Law of Return? I don't see a problem with it. Jews as a group have been heavily persecuted and expelled, through out history, around the world. So they have one country where they can not be expelled and can return to. Nothing wrong with that. I think China is similar...in their view, once Chinese always Chinese...if they leave China, they are expats, but still Chinese.

The other part was this:
The text of the bill stated its objective was "to anchor in constitutional law the principle of equal citizenship while recognising the existence and rights of the two, Jewish and Arab, national groups living within the country".

IMO, I think this is a fundamental problem for Israel. There should only be ONE national group: Israeli. Not multiple national groups - Jewish, Arab, and - further divided now I believe in Arab Muslim and Arab Christian in order to further divide the Palestinians. If you have two groups in Israel - Arabs and Jews, and one group is enshrined in basic law, but the other - who has lived there as long and are citizens - is not, then it's very hard NOT to see yourself as second class.
 
It was not to be a Jewish state.

Why not? Is there a specific prohibition on the Jewish people from having a state formed around their national culture?

I guess he never heard of the Balfour Declaration. If there was not to be a Jewish State then by definition it was not to be a “ Palestinian State” To suggest that one group can have something but the other group can’t isnt making people feel inclusive and therefore by definition is an apartheid Gov’t. :eusa_naughty:
The independent State should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government in such a way as to ensure that the essential interests of each community are safeguarded.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939
 
I do wonder why this clause was removed, though, from the Israel Basic Law bill which passed. Seems one that should have remained.

Preserving heritage

A. Every citizen of Israel, regardless of their religion or nationality, has the right to actively preserve their culture, heritage, language and identity.

Interesting - I agree, that should have remained.
 
Israel, IMHO, is not a true democracy. Democracies treat all citizens equally. Israel doesn't!

The equality of all citizens of Israel is firmly entrenched in law.

So why doesn't it then?

Treat all citizens equally? It does.

Clearly it doesn't! Just two examples...

Opinion | Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic
 
It was not to be a Jewish state.

Why not? Is there a specific prohibition on the Jewish people from having a state formed around their national culture?

I guess he never heard of the Balfour Declaration. If there was not to be a Jewish State then by definition it was not to be a “ Palestinian State” To suggest that one group can have something but the other group can’t isnt making people feel inclusive and therefore by definition is an apartheid Gov’t. :eusa_naughty:
The independent State should be one in which Arabs and Jews share government in such a way as to ensure that the essential interests of each community are safeguarded.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939


Alternatively, Israel and Arab Palestine could be treated just like every other ethnic nationality on the planet and each have their own state based around their ethnic group with full and equal rights for individuals.

Like the former Yugoslavia.
 
The equality of all citizens of Israel is firmly entrenched in law.

So why doesn't it then?

Treat all citizens equally? It does.

Clearly it doesn't! Just two examples...

Opinion | Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.
 

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

There are many Muslim Countries. 51 of them are either ALL Muslim or primarily Muslim. With that I say, Israel has the Right to be the lone Jewish State
 
RE: Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people
※→ P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

There is much more to the issuance of the "British Whited Paper of 1939" than meets the eye.

What we refer to as the "British White Paper of 1939" was actually written in late 1938. It was "the statement on Palestine, issued on 9 November 1938;" literally on the eve of Reichskristallnacht... It was presented to the Arab Higher Committee and Jewish Agency Delegations as the basis of an agreed settlement. Neither the Arab nor the Jewish delegation felt able to accept these proposals, and the conferences, therefore, did not result in an agreement. But it was Ratified by Parliament anyway. It was THE DAY that openly recognized the deliberate persecution of Jewish people in Germany → and the foundation for anti-Semitism for aristocrats and high society that supported better diplomatic relations with Germany. It was the night that open attacks against Jews → the physical destruction of Jewish property → and looting of Jewish homes and businesses was → either approved or condoned by the NAZIs and local government authorities.

The 1939 White Paper was policy, yes... But! as the world would come to see, many policies were to change during the course of the war that was but a few months away. Policies would change, and the fact that the Arab Palestinians supported the Axis Powers, future policies them would be few and far between.

But this statement has not removed doubts, and His Majesty's Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State. They would indeed regard it as contrary to their obligations to the Arabs under the Mandate, as well as to the assurances which have been given to the Arab people in the past, that the Arab population of Palestine should be made the subjects of a Jewish State against their will.

The Avalon Project : British White Paper of 1939
(COMMENT)

While there is no question that the idea of "Partition" was to have its flaws, it was better than nothing given the lack of interest in saving, preserving and protecting the Jewish People. The establishment of an independent Jewish State gradually became more appealing. At the end of the war, policymakers did not want to see a repeat of the SS St Louis.

The concept of openly mistreating the Jewish was to undergo a dramatic change in the decade between Kristallnacht (1938) and Jewish Independence (1948).

(SIDEBAR)

Many people silently held misgivings towards the Arab Palestinians that opposed the Allied Powers in both WWI and WWII. Many found suspect the convenient answer of "coincidence" in the case of the 9 November 1938 support of the White Paper; just as they were suspicious of the appearance of many of the same Arabs that opposed the Allies in the Middle East in both World Wars.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
It was not to be a Jewish state.

Why not? Is there a specific prohibition on the Jewish people from having a state formed around their national culture?

I guess he never heard of the Balfour Declaration. If there was not to be a Jewish State then by definition it was not to be a “ Palestinian State” To suggest that one group can have something but the other group can’t isnt making people feel inclusive and therefore by definition is an apartheid Gov’t. :eusa_naughty:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Yes, everyone has heard of the Balfour Declaration in which it does NOT mention anything about a "Jewish state", an national home for Jewish people yes, a "Jewish state"? NO!
 
The equality of all citizens of Israel is firmly entrenched in law.

So why doesn't it then?

Treat all citizens equally? It does.

Clearly it doesn't! Just two examples...

Opinion | Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

Your point is?

Using this kind of juvenile argument has no validation...

"If we can't have it then THEY can't have it either"!
 
Why do the Jewish people need to have some sort of special permission to have a State?!
 

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?
 

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

There are many Muslim Countries. 51 of them are either ALL Muslim or primarily Muslim. With that I say, Israel has the Right to be the lone Jewish State

To the exclusion of Palestinians and other non-Jewish minorities.
 
15th post

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

Does Israel?
 
If you wanted to pick one or two of these laws to go into more depth in, I'd be willing.

It's ok thanks...

I would hate to waste my time cherry picking any one of 50 laws for you to deny the facts.
 

The first is a discussion of the differences in treatment of an Israeli citizen and a foreign national. Irrelevant to the topic.

The second is a bill seeking to undermine the protection of the Jewish character of the State. That is not "equality". That is erasure.

Edited to add: though I would love to see the text of that Bill

If Israel can’t be both Jewish and Democratic then “ Palestine “ can’t be both Palestinian and Democratic

And Latvia can't be Latvian and democratic. And Slovenia can't be Slovene and democratic. And Spain can't be Spanish and democratic.

That is funny....

Does Latvia, Slovenia, Spain put their religions before democracy?

Does Israel?

Are you trying to say that Israel doesn't?!?!?!?!

Surely there has been more than enough shown in this thread to confirm that?!?!

Further... Did Latvia, Slovenia, Spain feel the need to declare themselves a 'Christian state'?
 
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