Nothing else to say - Americans are doing the talking!

[Luckyone]

That's an article from April 11th, Lucky. The tariffs are now prompting multiple nations to cut new deals with the US. The stock market is reacting accordingly. I know you WANT this to be a Trump failure but I think you're going to be disappointed once again! Sorry, Little Buddy...

Well, then give me a list of those nations that HAVE SIGNED deals with us. Speculation as to what might happen means nothing. I can tell you one thing for sure right now, no one is sure of anything, and fear is everywhere. Fear messes up everything.

 

[22lcidw]

Literally falling apart? You yourself are defeating your own post when you use words like "looks like". That is speculation on your part. I used facts that are here today, meaning that my narrative is not falling apart because is has happened.

The Progressives have actually come out with an agenda. Health Insurance for all. At this point we are around two trillion dollars a year with Medicare and Medicaid combined. Mind you that according to the politicians when they began it was supposed to be a pittance compared to the current costs over a period of years. We have to many people who grift and steal. Government contractors will ream the taxpayers for any reason. Every person I know who voted for Trump are not unhappy.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The fact remains that the Republicans are supporting "A MAN - TRUMP", whereas the Democrats are supporting a party and its platform.

Supporting the ideals of a party will rarely change, meaning that their "buyers remorse" will be limited. Supporting a con artist that convinces people that he is the "best of the best" but then fails, is a reason for "buyers remorse". He does not represent a platform of ideals but represents only himself.

They only support him because he's in office. Once he leaves, they'll support the next guy to run for president. Just like everyone else does

 

[Man With A Plan]

Literally falling apart? You yourself are defeating your own post when you use words like "looks like". That is speculation on your part. I used facts that are here today, meaning that my narrative is not falling apart because is has happened.

Stock market was up five days in a row. That's not speculation. That's a reaction to what's happening.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Well, then give me a list of those nations that HAVE SIGNED deals with us. Speculation as to what might happen means nothing. I can tell you one thing for sure right now, no one is sure of anything, and fear is everywhere. Fear messes up everything.

Of course fear is everywhere. The Main Stream Media has been pushing the narrative that tariffs are going to cause another Great Depression. Which is total nonsense but people like you believe it.

 

[Luckyone]

The Progressives have actually come out with an agenda. Health Insurance for all. At this point we are around two trillion dollars a year with Medicare and Medicaid combined. Mind you that according to the politicians when they began it was supposed to be a pittance compared to the current costs over a period of years. We have to many people who grift and steal. Government contractors will ream the taxpayers for any reason. Every person I know who voted for Trump are not unhappy.

I am not here to debate opinions. You want a debate, offer data, statistics and facts.

Suckers always believe and repeat what their puppeteers say.

 

[Luckyone]

Stock market was up five days in a row. That's not speculation. That's a reaction to what's happening.

No, Trump has BACKED OFF his words and that brought some relief. Nonetheless, Apple and Amazon report earnings on Thursday night and the Jobs report comes out on Friday and the probabilities favor that those reports will show some of Trump's chaotic actions, and if they do, watch out below.

 

[Luckyone]

Of course fear is everywhere. The Main Stream Media has been pushing the narrative that tariffs are going to cause another Great Depression. Which is total nonsense but people like you believe it.

You mean to say that Trump's tariffs were a media invention?

 

[whitehall]

China has been shitting on Uncle Sam for freaking decades with unfair shipping practices. What should we do about it? Democrats like Clinton and Barry Hussein said we should do something but they didn't have the balls. Now we have a president with some balls and Americans might be threatened with doing without fake Christmas trees and gaudy lights this year while China is dealing with famine and revolution. Which country are y'all TDS lefties rooting for?

 

[Man With A Plan]

You mean to say that Trump's tariffs were a media invention?

The narrative that Trump's tariffs would bring about another Great Depression was the media invention. How many times did they bring up Smoot Hawley three weeks ago? You don't hear a peep about that anymore because those other nations are caving on trade negotiations.

 

[Man With A Plan]

No, Trump has BACKED OFF his words and that brought some relief. Nonetheless, Apple and Amazon report earnings on Thursday night and the Jobs report comes out on Friday and the probabilities favor that those reports will show some of Trump's chaotic actions, and if they do, watch out below.

Still don't get it...do you, Lucky? Trump WANTS to back off tariffs because he WANTS other countries to give the US better trade deals! That's the whole idea! Duh?

 

[excalibur]

No.

Tariffs can be very useful. Very helpful. And usually are, when applied by intelligent, thoughful, professionals, in specific places, at smart levels.

But not if they're slapped on at wild, ridiculous, juvenile, comical levels, while we're insulting, mocking, threatening and punishing our former friends and trading partners, changing the tariff amounts whenever Trump gets another hair up his ass, ******* with the world's economy and putting American Treasuries -- the single most important security on the planet -- on thin ice.

And now? Now supply chains are freezing up and container ships are floating in place with nowhere to go (that's, uh, bad).

I know that this kind of nuance makes you folks angry.

But it's a fact.

China caves on 125% tariff for major US export after White House predicts Beijing can't keep up

China caved on one of its major 125% tariffs against ethane imports from the U.S. on Tuesday, having initially imposed the tariff last month.

www.foxbusiness.com

Thread 'China quietly rolls back retaliatory tariffs on some US-made semiconductors, import agencies say'

Apr 29, 2025

Winning!

But I think what they mean by 'quietly' is that the MSM, if they all did mention this, didn't play it on a 24-hour loop.

China appears to have quietly rolled back retaliatory tariffs of 125% on some semiconductors made in the US, according to details provided to CNN on Friday by three import agencies in the southern technology hub of Shenzhen, as Beijing tries to soften the blow of an ongoing trade war on its all-important tech industry.

The exemptions apply to integrated circuits, also known as microchips or semiconductors, according to the agencies. They found out...​

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[SweetTea]

Why are you asking me? I asked you for data. Give it to me!

The 2025 inflation rate is 2.73% and trending downwards. The 2024 annual rate was 2.96%.

Seven of the eleven sectors are reporting (or are projected to report) year-over-year growth, led by the Health Care, Information Technology, and Utilities sectors. On the other hand, four sectors are reporting (or are predicted to report) a year-over-year decline in earnings, led by the Energy, Materials, and Consumer Staples sectors.

In terms of revenues, 61% of S&P 500 companies have reported actual revenues above estimates, which is below the 5-year average of 69% and below the 10-year average of 64%. In aggregate, companies are reporting revenues that are 0.5% above the estimates, which is below the 5-year average of 2.1% and below the 10-year average of 1.4%. Again, historical averages reflect actual results from all 500 companies, not the actual results from the percentage of companies that have reported through this point in time.

Not what MSNBC told you? Just imagine how much better things would have been without the hysteria, largely created by the media. The market doesn’t like uncertainty, and that is one of the drivers of the market downturn, but I’m not sure how that could be avoided if big changes were to be made. Nobody knows the end result, but the media has scared uninformed people into belieiving the sky is falling. Unfortunately, they can actually cause the sky to fall with their fear mongering. Consumer confidence is down largely from just that. Many actually believe things they have been told are happening that aren’t actually happening.

Wait until deregulation, tax cuts and these tariff talks are largely settled. The economy and the markets will flourish. Don’t say I didn’t tell you.

Now, you tell me why you believe things are so bad. What makes you think that anything other than uncertainly (inspired by the media) has caused the market downturn. Any actual data to back that up?

 

[Correll]

I am not here to debate opinions. You want a debate, offer data, statistics and facts.

Suckers always believe and repeat what their puppeteers say.

That's an evasion. Discussing well argued opinion is completely valid on a discussion site.

Demanding links for everything, is shit talk.

 

[Luckyone]

That's an evasion. Discussing well argued opinion is completely valid on a discussion site.

Demanding links for everything, is shit talk.

I don't debate bullshit

 

[Luckyone]

The 2025 inflation rate is 2.73% and trending downwards. The 2024 annual rate was 2.96%.

Seven of the eleven sectors are reporting (or are projected to report) year-over-year growth, led by the Health Care, Information Technology, and Utilities sectors. On the other hand, four sectors are reporting (or are predicted to report) a year-over-year decline in earnings, led by the Energy, Materials, and Consumer Staples sectors.

In terms of revenues, 61% of S&P 500 companies have reported actual revenues above estimates, which is below the 5-year average of 69% and below the 10-year average of 64%. In aggregate, companies are reporting revenues that are 0.5% above the estimates, which is below the 5-year average of 2.1% and below the 10-year average of 1.4%. Again, historical averages reflect actual results from all 500 companies, not the actual results from the percentage of companies that have reported through this point in time.

Not what MSNBC told you? Just imagine how much better things would have been without the hysteria, largely created by the media. The market doesn’t like uncertainty, and that is one of the drivers of the market downturn, but I’m not sure how that could be avoided if big changes were to be made. Nobody knows the end result, but the media has scared uninformed people into belieiving the sky is falling. Unfortunately, they can actually cause the sky to fall with their fear mongering. Consumer confidence is down largely from just that. Many actually believe things they have been told are happening that aren’t actually happening.

Wait until deregulation, tax cuts and these tariff talks are largely settled. The economy and the markets will flourish. Don’t say I didn’t tell you.

Now, you tell me why you believe things are so bad. What makes you think that anything other than uncertainly (inspired by the media) has caused the market downturn. Any actual data to back that up?

Great, BUT tariffs are just now going into effect and starting one month after they start, you will see inflation soar

Tariffs are expected to cause a rise in inflation, with some analysts predicting a significant increase in the near-term. The Budget Lab at Yale estimates that all 2025 tariffs will increase the price level by 2.3% in the short-run. The Wall Street Journal reports that near-term inflation expectations have surged, with the CPI swaps market reflecting a 3.6% rise in consumer prices over the next 12 months

 

[Man With A Plan]

Great, BUT tariffs are just now going into effect and starting one month after they start, you will see inflation soar

Tariffs are expected to cause a rise in inflation, with some analysts predicting a significant increase in the near-term. The Budget Lab at Yale estimates that all 2025 tariffs will increase the price level by 2.3% in the short-run. The Wall Street Journal reports that near-term inflation expectations have surged, with the CPI swaps market reflecting a 3.6% rise in consumer prices over the next 12 months

The CCP is already caving on tariffs, Lucky. Trump's strategy is working beautifully. So how are you going to spin it when the US economy starts to boom?

 

[Luckyone]

Still don't get it...do you, Lucky? Trump WANTS to back off tariffs because he WANTS other countries to give the US better trade deals! That's the whole idea! Duh?

Well, that is all speculation and likely fantasy.

Just a few minutes ago, the GDP number came out and it was a negative figure, meaning that the economy is not growing but beginning to shrink

 

[SweetTea]

Great, BUT tariffs are just now going into effect and starting one month after they start, you will see inflation soar

Tariffs are expected to cause a rise in inflation, with some analysts predicting a significant increase in the near-term. The Budget Lab at Yale estimates that all 2025 tariffs will increase the price level by 2.3% in the short-run. The Wall Street Journal reports that near-term inflation expectations have surged, with the CPI swaps market reflecting a 3.6% rise in consumer prices over the next 12 months

We shall see.

If the economy flourishes more than inflation rises, it’s a win. If the fed keeps up(big if) and lowers rates when needed, the GDP growth will not negatively affect inflation. Healthy economy all the way around.

Personally, I believe they have over-inflated the numbers. They are wrong, much like they were wrong on their opinion of the transitory inflation a few years ago.

No response to the earnings? The market dropped due to faulty projections, not reality. The reality is, inflation has not hit, tariffs are still being negotiated so we don’t know the final results and most companies are beating estimates. Meanwhile, the media is still preaching doom and gloom and freaking out those that don’t know better.

 

[SweetTea]

Well, that is all speculation and likely fantasy.

Just a few minutes ago, the GDP number came out and it was a negative figure, meaning that the economy is not growing but beginning to shrink

Just so we understand, is 2 straight quarters of negative GDP growth considered a recession again now that Trump is back in office? I know the left changed the definition under Biden, but maybe that was just a temporary change.