Notable Christian Musician "Loses His Faith"

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Our system is not congruent with Free Market capitalism except in a very few exceptions.

Interwsting. So, which indistries are government owned and operated? Must be a long list...

 

[badger2]

Sampson is now clued up: xianity secretes atheism.

 

[BreezeWood]

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why do you keep bring up "evil canada" - "who operate against those at their mercy" without ever being specific in what their merciless acts against you are ...

* are they liberals.

For the purposes of your understanding in America they are members of the covert security caste. The anti-thesis of American Values, or, what you sought Independence from when you separated from the British Monarchy.

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For the purposes of your understanding in America they are members of the covert security caste. The anti-thesis of American Values, or, what you sought Independence from when you separated from the British Monarchy.

not sure I have heard anything of that nature going on in Canada ... what is their objective. hopefully not monarchists, would be a sad day those people even exist.

Their objective is to silence me and destroy my ability to have a career. Any time a foreign business employs Canadians, they are in fact, subsidizing the covert apparatus in Canada.

One massive racket of sometimes overlapping turf among different police agencies. They are not concerned with U.S Interests, you can be sure of this.

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Any time a foreign business employs Canadians, they are in fact, subsidizing the covert apparatus in Canada.

that sounds more international influence than Canadian - the apparatus is their proxy. unfortunately that is happening everywhere, their involvement in the u s elections.

No, this is a near police state that ensures Fiefdoms for dirtbags and their family members. Our system is not congruent with Free Market capitalism except in a very few exceptions. It's why more than 360,000 Canadians are in California alone. They seek liberty and capitalism while our economy crashes from the weight of massive government abuses,

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sounds like upheaval in the making for Canada ... will have to pay attention more, of course the economy's worldwide and U S are all in for a tail spin shortly.

what you describe is not dissimilar to the present administration in u s based on capitalism - as the root cause.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Our system is not congruent with Free Market capitalism except in a very few exceptions.

Interwsting. So, which indistries are government owned and operated? Must be a long list...

It's not just the open control of industries, which is massive. In some areas around Toronto a full 16 of the top 16 employers are all government agencies! However, now it is primarily the covert central control. As I've said, this is what I call neo-communism or neo-socialism, whichever you prefer.

There was a book written in the 1970's by a former RCMP officer who stated that their agency (since split into two) wanted to model it's agency after the Stasi, the feared, intrusive East German spy agency. These tactics have trickled down to policing nationally, including use of "IM's", or basically recruiting informants from friend circles and families. From TPS to OPP and the RCMP.

So, sure you can open up an IBM location in Toronto, but without knowing, HR management and executives will be placed there. You put a couple in HR in Toronto and you have the entire location at your fingertips. Want to hire an undercover dirtbag in one area? No problem. Done. Want to have control over a division, someone is hired in an Executive position. Their reasons for this vary, but it ultimately ends up the same. Fiefdoms of cronyism, nepotism and "rewards" for Canadians at the expense of the corporation not realizing the best workers.

This is why I find it scary that some suggest Canada is somehow "progressive". If our best and brightest succeeded and rose to prominence here, don't you think we'd have a much bigger footprint in innovation, high tech industries? We don't because of the Central Control of our economy, as I outlined above.

The worst about this system of manipulating, a racket run by police agencies who groom and "generate business" via the manufacturing of threats, is that it's all one massive, big "National Security" umbrella. Remember Trump called Canadian tactics a National Security issue and some people were outraged? What do you think Canadian agencies do to excess in Canada?

Every abuse in the economy by these rats is justified by that big, beautiful (in their eyes) category called "National Security". I guarantee there are U.S police agencies who are fed this trash and they accept it as being on the "up and up". Nothing could be further from the truth, they are creating business for themselves, and only they profit.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

There are plenty of reasons I was an Atheist. Just as many, maybe more than drew me to religion, even in the most trying of circumstances facing off against the most Ungodly of people.

I look at it this way, there is an Almighty Being. I follow Jesus while having a peripheral understanding of other religions. He can ask all the questions he wants of science, but the big one will be "why is there life at all? What is the meaning of life"?

It's difficult for any belief system to answer. It keeps us coming back to God in some form or another.

Well. I'm not faulting him so much as I am us, the church, whatever oversight he should have had, I guess.

These are not the questions of a mature believer. These are the questions of a baby believer. And I'm not trying to insinuate that we don't all have valleys and mountaintops, we do. But to be a leader in the faith, in a position of leadership, and not have these basic questions figured out....

We have to do better.

And as I said before....or hinted at....this explains to me why so many modern Christian praise songs seem rather empty. Maybe this is what's behind them. Not much of anything, really.

Sue I believe I understand how important your faith is to you, so I am attemting to be sensitive to that. But I am curious why it is taken so personally when a person wants to leave ANY religion by the remaining members.

And for the record I love contemporary Christian music and listen to it all of the time in spite of not being Christian.

 

[SweetSue92]

There are plenty of reasons I was an Atheist. Just as many, maybe more than drew me to religion, even in the most trying of circumstances facing off against the most Ungodly of people.

I look at it this way, there is an Almighty Being. I follow Jesus while having a peripheral understanding of other religions. He can ask all the questions he wants of science, but the big one will be "why is there life at all? What is the meaning of life"?

It's difficult for any belief system to answer. It keeps us coming back to God in some form or another.

Well. I'm not faulting him so much as I am us, the church, whatever oversight he should have had, I guess.

These are not the questions of a mature believer. These are the questions of a baby believer. And I'm not trying to insinuate that we don't all have valleys and mountaintops, we do. But to be a leader in the faith, in a position of leadership, and not have these basic questions figured out....

We have to do better.

And as I said before....or hinted at....this explains to me why so many modern Christian praise songs seem rather empty. Maybe this is what's behind them. Not much of anything, really.

Sue I believe I understand how important your faith is to you, so I am attemting to be sensitive to that. But I am curious why it is taken so personally when a person wants to leave ANY religion by the remaining members.

And for the record I love contemporary Christian music and listen to it all of the time in spite of not being Christian.

You missed a few things that were important:

1. He was a notable leader, a songwriter and "praise leader" for 20 years

2. Nevertheless, he had about the understanding of most of my 5th grade Sunday School students, or possibly less, in terms of grasp of the basics, and certainly in Christian maturity

3. And on his way out, he took potshots that all the haters (look in this thread) ate up like buttered biscuits. While having the wisdom and maturity of about a 5th grade Sunday School student, in my experience anyway

It's interesting that you say you love listening to contemporary Christian music even though you're not Christian. You know what you don't hear non-Christians say? That they love reading the Bible even though they're not Christian. So somehow, we have presented Christian music as such a watered-down message that non-Christians feel totally comfortable with it.

Don't get me wrong, that kind of music has its place, even in Christianity. But ALL of our music is not supposed to be that way, at least I don't believe so. If you're writing songs that could easily be taken as any old love songs if you just replaced "Jesus" with your latest squeeze's name....something is wrong.

It's really a worldview and a message.

It's not so much a "feeling".

 

[there4eyeM]

All the problems with religions and faith are the product of inadequate understanding of how our brains work and how language limits the brain's functioning. The best one can do is to remain open to one's personal experience of the universe without rushing to define it.

 

[SweetSue92]

All the problems with religions and faith are the product of inadequate understanding of how our brains work and how language limits the brain's functioning. The best one can do is to remain open to one's personal experience of the universe without rushing to define it.

The universe is not contained between our ears

 

[JoeB131]

The reason I believe is because I see what happens to people who don't believe -- they become killers of millions.

Well, if your belief in a magic sky fairy is the only thing that keeps you from being a homicidal maniac, then by all means, go ahead and do so.

Keep in mind, though, the people who perpetrated the Holocaust had THIS on their belt buckles.

For those who don't speak German, it translates as 'God's With Us!"

 

[JoeB131]

Actually retard that is not what happens. ANYONE that did not receive the opportunity to learn about Jesus is given that opportunity once dead and resurrected. One must CHOSE not to accept Jesus to be condemned.

Okay, there's a whole lot of problems with this issue. Besides the fact this is not what most of the churches actually preach, what you are saying is that all these poor Hindus and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists all have to wait until the last judgement and only then will they be given a choice whether or not to accept Jesus.

Well,what happens while they are waiting? Where do their souls go?

And why should an otherwise good person be condemned merely for not accepting Jesus? Frankly, I know a lot of Hindus and Buddhists, and they are much nicer people than most of the so-called Christians I've met.

 

[JoeB131]

No, I didn't.

I give four examples:

French Revolution

Nazism

Communism

Abortion

When atheists have power, they murder.

Okay, let's look at your example.

French Revolution didn't really kill that many people, and most of the people they did kill kind of had it coming, living large while their people starved. Also, not really a religious issue, they didn't abolish Catholicism.

See, here's the Pope at Napeleon's coronation.

Nazism- as pointed out above, the Nazis believed in Jesus. They had Gott Mitt Uns written on their belt buckles.

Communism- um, yeah, I guess you can say that they were atheists, but mostly, their bad behavior was based on imperialism and they had just come out of civil wars. Civil wars are usually nasty no matter who fights them.

Abortion- new alert. Most chicks who get abortion (of something that isn't a person) are religious. In fact, religious chicks are more likely to get abortions because they are out there ******* without contraception.

So you gave four examples, only ONE of which was right if you squint.

 

[JoeB131]

You can try to explain it away if it makes you feel better, but whenever atheists take over a country they murder millions of people.

Christians murder millions, too.. Just ask the Native Americans or Aboriginal Australians.

 

[JoeB131]

You missed a few things that were important:

1. He was a notable leader, a songwriter and "praise leader" for 20 years

2. Nevertheless, he had about the understanding of most of my 5th grade Sunday School students, or possibly less, in terms of grasp of the basics, and certainly in Christian maturity

Yup, because when you grow beyond a FIFTH GRADE mentality, THIS....

....becomes silly.

t's interesting that you say you love listening to contemporary Christian music even though you're not Christian. You know what you don't hear non-Christians say? That they love reading the Bible even though they're not Christian. So somehow, we have presented Christian music as such a watered-down message that non-Christians feel totally comfortable with it.

Actually, I love reading the bible... It's ******* hilarious. It just needs a warning label like you Christians want to do with Rock Music.

That will do it.

Don't get me wrong, that kind of music has its place, even in Christianity. But ALL of our music is not supposed to be that way, at least I don't believe so. If you're writing songs that could easily be taken as any old love songs if you just replaced "Jesus" with your latest squeeze's name....something is wrong.

Wasn't that a South Park Episode where Cartman did that?

The universe is not contained between our ears

There's nothing contained between your ears, you Islamaphobic ****.

 

[there4eyeM]

All the problems with religions and faith are the product of inadequate understanding of how our brains work and how language limits the brain's functioning. The best one can do is to remain open to one's personal experience of the universe without rushing to define it.

The universe is not contained between our ears

Perhaps, but it is only conceived of there.

 

[SweetSue92]

All the problems with religions and faith are the product of inadequate understanding of how our brains work and how language limits the brain's functioning. The best one can do is to remain open to one's personal experience of the universe without rushing to define it.

The universe is not contained between our ears

Perhaps, but it is only conceived of there.

K it's not a "perhaps". There is matter outside our brains. And yes, our brains is where we think.

This is like one of those posts that's trying to sound deep but is really clunkily obvious.

 

[JoeB131]

K it's not a "perhaps". There is matter outside our brains. And yes, our brains is where we think.

This is like one of those posts that's trying to sound deep but is really clunkily obvious.

God didn't create man, man created God.

 

[Blues Man]

IOW the guy made enough money so now he's getting out

 

[JoeB131]

IOW the guy made enough money so now he's getting out

Good on him. Can't feel bad he scammed people who wanted to be scammed.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

1. He was a notable leader, a songwriter and "praise leader" for 20 years

Why is his leaving so personal to YOU?

2. Nevertheless, he had about the understanding of most of my 5th grade Sunday School students, or possibly less, in terms of grasp of the basics, and certainly in Christian maturity

Could his lack of understanding as you see it possibly be the reason for his departure? That he left the religion just like people leave relationships because they no longer provide them with anything or in the very least the things that they want and need?

It's interesting that you say you love listening to contemporary Christian music even though you're not Christian. You know what you don't hear non-Christians say? That they love reading the Bible even though they're not Christian. So somehow, we have presented Christian music as such a watered-down message that non-Christians feel totally comfortable with it.

I know people who enjoy reading the Bible who are not Christian but they also love learning about others including their religions. Reading religious texts is not easy for me and since it's not a requirement I just don't do it, it's too much like work.

I love music in general, most types but why are you upset that I enjoy Christian Contemporary? I was just mentioning to someone the other day that I love Prince of Peace and a New Hallelujah by Michael W Smith featuring the African Children's choir. I thought Christ brought a message of love to the world, I didn't realize that it was exclusively for his followers.

 

[SweetSue92]

1. He was a notable leader, a songwriter and "praise leader" for 20 years

Why is his leaving so personal to YOU?

2. Nevertheless, he had about the understanding of most of my 5th grade Sunday School students, or possibly less, in terms of grasp of the basics, and certainly in Christian maturity

Could his lack of understanding as you see it possibly be the reason for his departure? That he left the religion just like people leave relationships because they no longer provide them with anything or in the very least the things that they want and need?

It's interesting that you say you love listening to contemporary Christian music even though you're not Christian. You know what you don't hear non-Christians say? That they love reading the Bible even though they're not Christian. So somehow, we have presented Christian music as such a watered-down message that non-Christians feel totally comfortable with it.

I know people who enjoy reading the Bible who are not Christian but they also love learning about others including their religions. Reading religious texts is not easy for me and since it's not a requirement I just don't do it, it's too much like work.

I love music in general, most types but why are you upset that I enjoy Christian Contemporary? I was just mentioning to someone the other day that I love Prince of Peace and a New Hallelujah by Michael W Smith featuring the African Children's choir. I thought Christ brought a message of love to the world, I didn't realize that it was exclusively for his followers.

Um. When you belong to an organization in which you share the same vision, goals, and ideals, and someone leaves that organization while at the same time betraying it--it's personal. Or else you don't really believe it. Right?

Believe me, every time some female teacher dog preys on a young man--especially a special needs young man--it's personal to me. Not personal in that I know her, but personal in that she betrayed the profession that I love.

I really don't think this is difficult to understand. Is it?