'Not a single Gazan saved a hostage': World leaders react to slain hostages' release. [100% guilty Arab fakestinians]

[ShahdagMountains]

I see that kvetching is still an art form.

Grumpy. ^

 

[rosends]

Wow, that's a stretch, isn't it? I mean, it kind of reeks of desperation.

you mean you can't actually argue it so you label it a stretch to avoid it. Call it desperation because you can't refute it.

How come no Sephardic Jews have been PM (the office of President is largely ceremonial)?

Ah, so let's shift the goal posts when we are proven wrong. How many have run? Remember, it is a democracy.

Why has there not been a single Mizrahi and Sephardi Israeli Prime Minister?

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Not that it matters much, most of the Sepharadim didn't live in Palestine, either. They lived in Spain originally and settled in the Islamic world until they (wait for it) wore out their welcome there, too.

So you know little about emigration patterns. And I like how you are ignoring that the Muslim rule in Spain which (esp after about 1100) was horrible to non-Muslims. But again, you and facts are not even friends.

Ah, but why go for that land when there were so many other places they COULD have settled?

You would have asked this wherever people settled. But the answer is "because there were already communities there and it was away from the tortures of Europe (though everyone knows that random pogroms and massacres were the Jews' fault, right?)" Some settled elsewhere (like Ireland). Basic history. You should study something.

Oh, that's right, the book with the talking snakes said God promised them that land.

Why do you keep bringing that up? And why don't you apply the same reasoning to Muslims who moved into that area based on their own book? Oh yeah, because Jews are wrong a priori in your world. I'll wait while you look the difficult words up.

I was just limiting the discussion to the Germans, who were, after all, the people who instigated the Holocaust. Gee, why did they do that? Maybe because some Jewish revolutionaries overthrew their government in the middle of a war, and then took advantage when people were literally starving to death.

look at you spouting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and blaming the victims. The Germans also killed 5 million non-Jews in the camps. What did all of them do to deserve it? As long as the Germans aren't to blame, you seem to be comfortable.

And before you guys talk about "justifications", you guys have milked 10-7 as an excuse to bomb Gaza for over a year. I kind of don't want to hear this shit. You lost the moral high ground a long time ago.

After Pearl Harbor, the US should have stopped milking that as an excuse to fight the Japanese. The US milked Pearl Harbor for much longer. When a country is attacked, are you the authority who gets to decide how a country to respond? Do you have any particular qualifications for this position? Have you told Kiev to stop reacting to Russia's invasion because they have milked it for like 3 years already. Israel was invaded (and stop milking the "Gazans were suffering" -- that has been milked for a lot longer than 500 days...Gazans lost the moral high ground well before 2023) and it is responding to an invasion. You don't want the response, don't invade. Your understanding of tactics in war time ranks up there with your grasp on facts.

Well, first, not many of them were. The 1890 Ottoman Census recorded only 43,000 Jews living in Palestine (as opposed to 71,000 Christians and 432,000 Muslims.) So they were at best, 8% of the population.

And so? You just conceded their presence and yet ignored all the information about violence against them going back centuries. Good job dancing.

The thing was, the Arabs revolted against the Ottomans because the British promised them independence. Instead, they got colonized and the British started dumping European Jews into the place.

And when did the same Arabs revolt against the Mamluks? And when did the Arabs invade England for its treachery? Did Arabs then go and bomb the British? And when the partition plan DID promise independence, why reject it?

You have a real ignorance about history and the middle easy conflict. Couple that with your anti-Semitism and you are a real garden variety hater. And here I thought you were somehow special. My mistake.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, let's take this apart.

Ah, so let's shift the goal posts when we are proven wrong. How many have run? Remember, it is a democracy.

I wouldn't know, because I don't care about your pretend Democracy. You are an apatheid state. Just because the other kinds of Jews are on a higher plane than the Palestinians doesn't make it less of the Ashekanazim lording over everyone else.

So you know little about emigration patterns. And I like how you are ignoring that the Muslim rule in Spain which (esp after about 1100) was horrible to non-Muslims. But again, you and facts are not even friends.

I didn't make a distinction between good and bad in Andalusia. I imagine it sucked for everyone back then who wasn't a noble. But here was the thing. When the Christians finally won, the first order of business was taking care of the Jews who collaborated with the Muslim occupiers.

Tragedy plus time equals comedy.

You would have asked this wherever people settled. But the answer is "because there were already communities there and it was away from the tortures of Europe (though everyone knows that random pogroms and massacres were the Jews' fault, right?)" Some settled elsewhere (like Ireland). Basic history. You should study something.

I have a degree in history, thanks.

The problem is, when you settle somewhere, you don't piss off the people who are already there. It's why when Grandpa Ludwig came here, he learned English and assimilated to the country, he didn't try to make it "new Germany"

Why do you keep bringing that up? And why don't you apply the same reasoning to Muslims who moved into that area based on their own book? Oh yeah, because Jews are wrong a priori in your world. I'll wait while you look the difficult words up.

Because this is the 21st Century, we have space shuttles and computers now, and we shouldn't be doing stuff because a bronze age book of supersittions said so.

look at you spouting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and blaming the victims. The Germans also killed 5 million non-Jews in the camps. What did all of them do to deserve it? As long as the Germans aren't to blame, you seem to be comfortable.

What the Nazis (not the Germans) did was terrible. Germany is still apologizing for it. Of course, most of the other people they killed were Communists and homosexuals, not exactly popular groups, either.

After Pearl Harbor, the US should have stopped milking that as an excuse to fight the Japanese. The US milked Pearl Harbor for much longer. When a country is attacked, are you the authority who gets to decide how a country to respond? Do you have any particular qualifications for this position? Have you told Kiev to stop reacting to Russia's invasion because they have milked it for like 3 years already. Israel was invaded (and stop milking the "Gazans were suffering" -- that has been milked for a lot longer than 500 days...Gazans lost the moral high ground well before 2023) and it is responding to an invasion. You don't want the response, don't invade. Your understanding of tactics in war time ranks up there with your grasp on facts.

Works on the assumption that the two are comparable. Gazans attacked because they had been under the Zionist Boot for 80 years. Japan attacked because we stopped selling them oil because they were invading China.

We didn't keep attacking Japan after she had been effectively defeated, we accepted her surrender. Then we rebuilt the place, which was darned nice of us.

And so? You just conceded their presence and yet ignored all the information about violence against them going back centuries. Good job dancing.

You mean violence because they tried to do exactly what they ended up doing?

And when did the same Arabs revolt against the Mamluks? And when did the Arabs invade England for its treachery? Did Arabs then go and bomb the British? And when the partition plan DID promise independence, why reject it?

So let's say I took over your house by force, maybe in the process killing members of your family. Then I very "Kindly" agree to let you live in the unheated garage as long as you are willing to do garbage work for me.

Are you really going to be grateful?

The Palestinians are doing what any other people would do when they are being invaded.

Now, the reason why they didn't object to the Malmuks or the Ottomans is because those people largely let them live and let live. Pay your taxes for the services we provide. The Caliph gets to live in a castle somewhere but he doesn't really bother you all that much.

 

[Lisa558]

Arabist obsessed YUSUF "Joeb131" also lied that Jews did "not" (???) buy land from Arabs in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s

I’m curious. How much did the Arabs pay for the Jews’ land when they drove almost 1 million of them from their homes throughout the Middle East?

 

[Lisa558]

I see that kvetching is still an art form.

I see that being a disgusting antisemite is still a thing.

 

[JoeB131]

I see that being a disgusting antisemite is still a thing.

naw, griping about the accommodations while women and children are being genocided is disgusting.

 

[rosends]

I wouldn't know, because I don't care about your pretend Democracy.

ah, so you dismiss it as "pretend" because you need to to establish your position. Add this to the "desperate" name calling pile.

You are an apatheid state.

So you don't know the meaning of that word either. Got it.

Just because the other kinds of Jews are on a higher plane than the Palestinians doesn't make it less of the Ashekanazim lording over everyone else.

that makes no sense on any level. Learn some English and then try again.

I didn't make a distinction between good and bad in Andalusia. I imagine it sucked for everyone back then who wasn't a noble. But here was the thing. When the Christians finally won, the first order of business was taking care of the Jews who collaborated with the Muslim occupiers.

you mean the Jews who hadn't been forcibly converted by the Muslims? If ignorance is bliss then you are very happy.

I have a degree in history, thanks.

Having a degree is clearly not correlated to knowing anything. If your exposure to history is from your college classes then you are sorely undereducated.

The problem is, when you settle somewhere, you don't piss off the people who are already there.

you mean by breathing...oh wait, you are ignoring all the other reasons for hatred. Jews' simple existence is enough to justify violence.

It's why when Grandpa Ludwig came here, he learned English and assimilated to the country, he didn't try to make it "new Germany"

So all the immigrants to America who stayed in their Chinatowns and Little Italies and didn't learn English are trying to take over?

Because this is the 21st Century, we have space shuttles and computers now, and we shouldn't be doing stuff because a bronze age book of supersittions said so.

swing and a miss. If this is the reading comprehension which led you to your supposed degree in history, then your school should lose any accreditation that it has. You criticize Jews because of guidance from their book, but don't criticize Muslims for the same thing and give a non-sequitur as your reasoning. This is where open admissions gets us.

What the Nazis (not the Germans) did was terrible. Germany is still apologizing for it. Of course, most of the other people they killed were Communists and homosexuals, not exactly popular groups, either.

and Catholics and political prisoners and handicapped and Romani...and they all deserved it, right? Not popular, therefore...

Works on the assumption that the two are comparable. Gazans attacked because they had been under the Zionist Boot for 80 years.

they have been milking it for 80 years? How can you justify anything by milking something for that long? Israel has been under attack for that long (and is still being attacked) but you call responding to that "milking." Another double standard. Not surprising.

Japan attacked because we stopped selling them oil because they were invading China.

Did you specialize in "oversimplification" in your history courses?

We didn't keep attacking Japan after she had been effectively defeated, we accepted her surrender. Then we rebuilt the place, which was darned nice of us.

And after Hamas surrenders, Israel will stop attacking. Thanks for the parallel.

You mean violence because they tried to do exactly what they ended up doing?

um no. Sorry -- I forgot that you don't understand history. It was violence because of who they are.

So let's say I took over your house by force, maybe in the process killing members of your family. Then I very "Kindly" agree to let you live in the unheated garage as long as you are willing to do garbage work for me.

Let's say the previous owner sold me the house and after you leave you start attacking me. I give you half the house but you keep attacking me. You do this for years and eventually I punch you back and kick you out. But now you say I'm the bad guy.

Are you really going to be grateful?

is it really moral to attack the owner and then complain when he fights back?

The Palestinians are doing what any other people would do when they are being invaded.

You mean like what Israel is doing after it was invaded. What's good for the goose...

Now, the reason why they didn't object to the Malmuks or the Ottomans is because those people largely let them live and let live. Pay your taxes for the services we provide. The Caliph gets to live in a castle somewhere but he doesn't really bother you all that much.

and can you show me that the Jews in the land before, let's say 1913, were not letting people live as they wanted to? There was violence before 1913. Ask one of your professors to explain it to you. You slept through this part of your schooling.

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[Shusha]

Today, Native Americans enjoy both citizenship and they get special privileges on their reservations. It isn't enough to really make up for all the awful stuff that was done to them, though.

So why aren't you advocating for the Native Americans to attack the European colonizers and for the European colonizers to go back home where they came from?

That's an easy one. Just having ANY native blood qualifies you as being a Native American.

I disagree, of course, that we should be using blood quantum as a basis of providing rights to people, but my point in this particular collection of posts, is to poke at your own argument's internal consistency. By your argument, any amount of native blood qualifies a Jewish person as indigenous to the Levant, yes?

Nope, they are just a bunch of Europeans who adopted their religion.

Not if they have any amount of Levantine blood though, yes?

It would be like if I claimed to be a follower of Wotan, so I should be able to colonize the Rhineland because Wotan promised that to me.

The claim is not a religious one, it is an ethnic one. An important distinction.

And now you know how absurd Zionism sounds.

Only if you define it incorrectly. If you define it correctly, as the self-determination of the Jewish people to their homeland. No different than Native American self-determination. No different than Scottish self-determination. No different than Catalan self-determination.

 

[JoeB131]

swing and a miss. If this is the reading comprehension which led you to your supposed degree in history, then your school should lose any accreditation that it has. You criticize Jews because of guidance from their book, but don't criticize Muslims for the same thing and give a non-sequitur as your reasoning. This is where open admissions gets us.

Because the conflict has nothing to do with religion. Back in the 1970's, they were claiming the PLO were all godless commies, when that was what America was afraid of. Now they are all scary Muslim fundamentalists. What they really are a bunch of people who want foreign invaders off their land.

Let's say the previous owner sold me the house and after you leave you start attacking me. I give you half the house but you keep attacking me. You do this for years and eventually I punch you back and kick you out. But now you say I'm the bad guy.

Doesn't really describe what the Zionists did. Look, man, I know you think you cheated the Palestinians fair and square, but no, you just cheated them.

Only if you define it incorrectly. If you define it correctly, as the self-determination of the Jewish people to their homeland. No different than Native American self-determination. No different than Scottish self-determination. No different than Catalan self-determination.

Except those people lived their for centuries, and are associated with that land.

The Zionists were a European people speaking a European Language (Yiddish). They are in fact, invaders.

Period. Full stop.

And after Hamas surrenders, Israel will stop attacking. Thanks for the parallel.

Except you don't want to defeat Hamas, you want to erase the Palestinian identity altogether.

You've been doing this stuff long before Hamas was ever formed.

 

[Shusha]

Except those people lived their for centuries, and are associated with that land.

You can't seriously be trying to argue that the Jewish people haven't been living there for millennia and are not associated with that land? Seriously?

The Zionists were a European people speaking a European Language (Yiddish). They are in fact, invaders.

Period. Full stop.

The thing that makes them a European people is that they speak a European language? Your ancestry ceases being your ancestry when you learn a new language? The English-speaking Palestinians will be really sad to hear that.

Also, you know what Yiddish is, yes? Go on - tell me.

And also, you mean you have no problem with Jewish return as long as they don't speak Yiddish?

 

[JoeB131]

The thing that makes them a European people is that they speak a European language? Your ancestry ceases being your ancestry when you learn a new language? The English-speaking Palestinians will be really sad to hear that.

Also, you know what Yiddish is, yes? Go on - tell me.

And also, you mean you have no problem with Jewish return as long as they don't speak Yiddish?

Yiddish is a corrupted version of the beautiful German Language.

 

[Shusha]

Yiddish is a corrupted version of the beautiful German Language.

Oh come on now. Don't chicken out. "Corrupting" the German language with ...

 

[JoeB131]

Oh come on now. Don't chicken out. "Corrupting" the German language with ...

Bad grammar, slang words, etc.

Stop being a Schmuck!

 

[Shusha]

Bad grammar, slang words, etc.

Stop being a Schmuck!

Words from which language...? Come on. You can do it.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, some dead language they had to resurrect to pretend they had a heritage......

Guy, you can pretend all day that you have a link to the Levant, but your really don't. You are a bunch of Cosplayers.

 

[Shusha]

Oh, some dead language they had to resurrect to pretend they had a heritage......

You are too chicken shit of the fragility of your own argument to even say the word.

Hebrew. Which obviously was NOT dead, as it was active enough in real life to be incorporated into the everyday life of the people.

 

[JoeB131]

You are too chicken shit of the fragility of your own argument to even say the word.

Hebrew. Which obviously was NOT dead, as it was active enough in real life to be incorporated into the everyday life of the people.

It was a dead language that had to be resurrected so Zionists could pretend they have national identity, instead of just sweeping up all the refuse of Europe.

 

[Shusha]

It was a dead language that had to be resurrected so Zionists could pretend they have national identity, instead of just sweeping up all the refuse of Europe.

Where did that language originate? What peoples originated that language?

You were the one who brought up languages. Why are languages important in cases of ethnic and cultural identity?

 

[JoeB131]

Where did that language originate? What peoples originated that language?

You were the one who brought up languages. Why are languages important in cases of ethnic and cultural identity?

Hey, I'm currently learning Mandarin... doesn't make me Chinese.
And neither is learning a dead language to bolster a fake claim to someone else's land.

 

[Mac-7]

Hey, I'm currently learning Mandarin... doesn't make me Chinese.
And neither is learning a dead language to bolster a fake claim to someone else's land.

I think the correct term is “White Monkey”

Aka westerners who shill for china

White monkey - Wikipedia

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