'Not a single Gazan saved a hostage': World leaders react to slain hostages' release. [100% guilty Arab fakestinians]

[JoeB131]

i'm one of "you guys." Care to tell me whom I have cheated in the last week? Then you can tell me about my kids, my extended family and all my friends.

Or are you going to hide behind a hateful generalization and say that you didn't mean to attack me personally. Which you did.

I don't know you personally, so I have no idea who you are cheating.

Actually, Jews have been moving to the middle east (other than the ones who never left) for a long time. Strangely, they stayed on land that they bought and didn't try to take anything over even when they were subject to violence from others. Their simple existence there was enough to trigger people. Then the nascent Israelis agreed to plans which partitioned the land and didn't give them all of it. They were attacked. So your claim is inaccurate.

Not at all. I mean, you can paint a happy face on it, but you are just another bunch of European Colonizers who went to a third world country and tried to take over. Israel is the last vestige of European Colonialism.

That never happened, but you stick with your generalizations and don't trouble yourself with facts. My sister has a house in Jerusalem. Whom did she cheat to get it? Or maybe she conquered someone...

I wouldn't know. I suspect it wasn't in your family 100 years ago and the Arab who owned that land wasn't happy to see it go.

You think this hate is new? You think it is limited to Arabs? Just keep on blaming the victim.

No, you guys seem to alienate people wherever you go. The Germans, the Russians, the Spaniards.

So you start by showing an ignorance of international law and the actual facts of the mid east, and then you hide behind that ignorance to blame the victim. Got it.

Here are the only salient facts. Arabs sided with the British to throw out the Ottomans, and then the British screwed them by resettling Jews from Europe there.

SUMMARY OF ARAB-IST "white/vet" JOELB131 FALSEHOOD BIGOTED PROPAGANDA.

Out of curiousity, why do you think my name is "Joel" My name is Joe, short for Joseph.

 

[Sayaras]

Arabist obsessed YUSUF "Joeb131" also lied that Jews did "not" (???) buy land from Arabs in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s

 

[Shusha]

Israel is the last vestige of European Colonialism.

What does this even mean? The marks of colonization and colonialism and migration are nearly everywhere in the world. Specifically European colonialism? America. Canada. Australia. As examples, not exhaustive. Why are you not demanding that those European colonies be dismantled and Europeans and their descendants return to Europe?

(Israel is decolonization.)

 

[Failzero]

What does this even mean? The marks of colonization and colonialism and migration are nearly everywhere in the world. Specifically European colonialism? America. Canada. Australia. As examples, not exhaustive. Why are you not demanding that those European colonies be dismantled and Europeans and their descendants return to Europe?

(Israel is decolonization.)

I thought Canada was or at least The Falkland Islands

 

[rosends]

I don't know you personally, so I have no idea who you are cheating.

but you are sure, in the absence of any facts, that I'm cheating someone. Thanks for confirming.

Not at all. I mean, you can paint a happy face on it, but you are just another bunch of European Colonizers who went to a third world country and tried to take over. Israel is the last vestige of European Colonialism.

Except that many don't come from Europe and their simple immigration does not make them occupiers, let alone colonial ones. If you want to hide behind a veil of inaccurate words and empty claims, you do that.

I wouldn't know. I suspect it wasn't in your family 100 years ago and the Arab who owned that land wasn't happy to see it go.

You suspect that someone who sold land wasn't happy to make money. OK, got it. You are against making money AND moving.

No, you guys seem to alienate people wherever you go. The Germans, the Russians, the Spaniards.

So we, the victims, who have a sad history of being scapegoats for problems we did not create (oh, do you really think we poisoned the wells and drank Christian blood?) are the bad guys in your world view. Got it.

Here are the only salient facts. Arabs sided with the British to throw out the Ottomans, and then the British screwed them by resettling Jews from Europe there.

why are those the only salient facts? You have just confirmed that the area was not under the rulership of the Arabs, but the British, and before them the Ottomans. So you agree that there was no historic "Palestine" . And you know that the British put very serious limits on Jewish immigration. Silly facts.

So you accuse me of stuff without knowing me but because of my group identity.
You make claims that aren't historically accurate.
You select the "facts" you think matter and ignore all the rest.

Interesting approach.

 

[Sayaras]

What does this even mean? The marks of colonization and colonialism and migration are nearly everywhere in the world. Specifically European colonialism? America. Canada. Australia. As examples, not exhaustive. Why are you not demanding that those European colonies be dismantled and Europeans and their descendants return to Europe?

(Israel is decolonization.)

Yusuf "joeb132" is just repeating Muslim Brothethood's Hatem Bazian's groups propaganda, without any merit. He likes empty pallywood buzzwords. PALLYWEID.

 

[Lisa558]

but you are sure, in the absence of any facts, that I'm cheating someone. Thanks for confirming.

Except that many don't come from Europe and their simple immigration does not make them occupiers, let alone colonial ones. If you want to hide behind a veil of inaccurate words and empty claims, you do that.

You suspect that someone who sold land wasn't happy to make money. OK, got it. You are against making money AND moving.

So we, the victims, who have a sad history of being scapegoats for problems we did not create (oh, do you really think we poisoned the wells and drank Christian blood?) are the bad guys in your world view. Got it.

why are those the only salient facts? You have just confirmed that the area was not under the rulership of the Arabs, but the British, and before them the Ottomans. So you agree that there was no historic "Palestine" . And you know that the British put very serious limits on Jewish immigration. Silly facts.

So you accuse me of stuff without knowing me but because of my group identity.
You make claims that aren't historically accurate.
You select the "facts" you think matter and ignore all the rest.

Interesting approach.

There was an antisemitic teenager a few doors down from my house when I was a kid. One Shabbat evening, when I was about 12 or 13 and my parents were at shul ( can’t remember why I didn’t go….must have been sick), that kid walked into my house, passed me, went straight to the kitchen where the candles were burning, and blew them out.

Then he looked me straight in the eye and said “that’s what I think of your fucking relgiion.”

Why do I bring this up? Because his first name was Joe and his last name started with a B.

 

[JoeB131]

What does this even mean? The marks of colonization and colonialism and migration are nearly everywhere in the world. Specifically European colonialism? America. Canada. Australia. As examples, not exhaustive. Why are you not demanding that those European colonies be dismantled and Europeans and their descendants return to Europe?

(Israel is decolonization.)

US, Canada, and Australia are coming to terms with the horrors they inflicted on indigenous peoples. So that's not really a good comparison.

For instance, my ancestry is half German, straight off the boat, but I am also 1/8 Cherokee.

Except that many don't come from Europe and their simple immigration does not make them occupiers, let alone colonial ones. If you want to hide behind a veil of inaccurate words and empty claims, you do that.

If most of them didn't come from Europe, why is EVERY leader of the Zionist Entity a European?

A bunch of Europeans say they have a right to Palestine because a book with talking snakes and giants in it says they do. That's inaccurate.

So we, the victims, who have a sad history of being scapegoats for problems we did not create (oh, do you really think we poisoned the wells and drank Christian blood?) are the bad guys in your world view. Got it.

I think the biggest reason they don't like you is that you killed Jesus, which I think is silly because Jesus never existed.

So today you have a bunch of very remorseful Christians trying to pretend the bible doesn't say what it clearly says. It is too bad their remorse involves giving away someone else's land.

Some of the things you did you deserve the blame for. For instance, not to justify what Hitler did, but it was the Jews that stabbed Germany in the back and overthrew the Kaiser, and then took advantage of the economic chaos that followed in the Weimar era. When the Muslims occupied Spain, the Jews supported the Caliphate. (Ironically, after many of them fled Spain after the inquisition, they landed in Arab countries and were welcomed, until they stole Palestine and were kicked out.

why are those the only salient facts? You have just confirmed that the area was not under the rulership of the Arabs, but the British, and before them the Ottomans. So you agree that there was no historic "Palestine" . And you know that the British put very serious limits on Jewish immigration. Silly facts.

Not at all. People's don't cease to exist because an occupier takes their land. Palestine has switched hands between a bunch of occuppiers over the centuries. Most of them just let the people who lived there be. Until the British tried to colonize the place with the other Europeans who couldn't live with their neighbors.

 

[JoeB131]

There was an antisemitic teenager a few doors down from my house when I was a kid. One Shabbat evening, when I was about 12 or 13 and my parents were at shul ( can’t remember why I didn’t go….must have been sick), that kid walked into my house, passed me, went straight to the kitchen where the candles were burning, and blew them out.

Then he looked me straight in the eye and said “that’s what I think of your fucking relgiion.”

Why do I bring this up? Because his first name was Joe and his last name started with a B.

Well, it couldn't have been me; I didn't encounter Jews until I got to college and found out why they used "Jew" as a verb in my neighborhood.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Palestine has switched hands between a bunch of occuppiers over the centuries.

Palestine, also known as Eretz Israel, was a geo political entity used by the British for their mandate period.

 

[rosends]

If most of them didn't come from Europe, why is EVERY leader of the Zionist Entity a European?

because that's who the people vote for. It's a democracy. Whoever runs stands a chance at winning. Have you looked up Pres. Navon? Sephardic, by the way. Did you notice that NO American president has been a woman? This must mean that America is a male colonialist nation, right?

A bunch of Europeans say they have a right to Palestine because a book with talking snakes and giants in it says they do. That's inaccurate.

Actually, they have a right because they established a government, were given land by those in control of the land in a partition and they defended it. Why are you talking about a book?

I think the biggest reason they don't like you is that you killed Jesus, which I think is silly because Jesus never existed.

So therefore, pointing out " you guys seem to alienate people wherever you go" is irrelevant, right?

Some of the things you did you deserve the blame for.

oh, good. Tell me why I deserve the blame.

For instance, not to justify what Hitler did

he said, about to justify what Hitler did...

, but it was the Jews that stabbed Germany in the back and overthrew the Kaiser, and then took advantage of the economic chaos that followed in the Weimar era.

Ah yes, "the Jews." Note, not some people who were Jewish, but "the Jews." So regardless of whether your claim is factual (it is a gross oversimplification, at best) you use a local event to justify a reaction which victimized the entire community, in more than one country. This then also justifies all violence against all Jews everywhere. Good work.

When the Muslims occupied Spain, the Jews supported the Caliphate. (Ironically, after many of them fled Spain after the inquisition, they landed in Arab countries and were welcomed, until they stole Palestine and were kicked out.

The Muslim rulers were a touch nicer than the Christian ones. Until they weren't. "Stole" anything? I mean, facts argue this, but it is clear that you and facts aren't really friends.

Not at all. People's don't cease to exist because an occupier takes their land. Palestine has switched hands between a bunch of occuppiers over the centuries. Most of them just let the people who lived there be. Until the British tried to colonize the place with the other Europeans who couldn't live with their neighbors.

"people"? Sure, but that's about individuals. There was no collective identity (take a look at the series of "peoples" who dominated -- see "Palestinian" among them? I don't). When did this "occupation" (clearly, not in the modern, legal sense) begin? Before or after the Jews were mostly evicted? And why do you ignore the history of Arab violence against the Jews who were living in the land before 1880?

But let's blame the "Europeans". And let's blame killing Jesus.

 

[Sayaras]

but you are sure, in the absence of any facts, that I'm cheating someone. Thanks for confirming.

Except that many don't come from Europe and their simple immigration does not make them occupiers, let alone colonial ones. If you want to hide behind a veil of inaccurate words and empty claims, you do that.

You suspect that someone who sold land wasn't happy to make money. OK, got it. You are against making money AND moving.

So we, the victims, who have a sad history of being scapegoats for problems we did not create (oh, do you really think we poisoned the wells and drank Christian blood?) are the bad guys in your world view. Got it.

why are those the only salient facts? You have just confirmed that the area was not under the rulership of the Arabs, but the British, and before them the Ottomans. So you agree that there was no historic "Palestine" . And you know that the British put very serious limits on Jewish immigration. Silly facts.

So you accuse me of stuff without knowing me but because of my group identity.
You make claims that aren't historically accurate.
You select the "facts" you think matter and ignore all the rest.

Interesting approach.

So YUSUF Joeb131 blamed the jews fir suffering from Nazism and recycles Hitler/Goebbels "accusations."
So typical. Pro fakestine and pro Hitler. And pretending to "care" for his Arab brethren...

 

[Shusha]

US, Canada, and Australia are coming to terms with the horrors they inflicted on indigenous peoples.

"Coming to terms" is vaguespeak. What do you mean by this? That the US, Canada, and Australia have "two-state"(or more) solutions for their indigenous and their colonialist populations? That the indigenous populations enjoy full "rights" to their culture, their laws, their language, their territory, their holiday celebrations? That the indigenous peoples have self-determination and Statehood?

Because it sounds an awful lot like you are saying that European colonialism is just fine for the US, Canada, and Australia, despite the problems and inequities it causes for the indigenous peoples. Or that you are saying that since the indigenous peoples have not taken up barbaric acts of violence towards the European colonizers, then colonization is acceptable.

So that's not really a good comparison.

What would be a good comparison, in your opinion?

For instance, my ancestry is half German, straight off the boat, but I am also 1/8 Cherokee.

Does that mean you are not a German colonizer? How much blood quantum is enough to make you indigenous? Is that the measure we should be using to define a peoples?


(The Jewish people are the indigenous peoples of that land. The definition is that the culture of the Jewish people originated in that land. The culture was not transferred from elsewhere.)

 

[Sayaras]

"Coming to terms" is vaguespeak. What do you mean by this? That the US, Canada, and Australia have "two-state"(or more) solutions for their indigenous and their colonialist populations? That the indigenous populations enjoy full "rights" to their culture, their laws, their language, their territory, their holiday celebrations? That the indigenous peoples have self-determination and Statehood?

Because it sounds an awful lot like you are saying that European colonialism is just fine for the US, Canada, and Australia, despite the problems and inequities it causes for the indigenous peoples. Or that you are saying that since the indigenous peoples have not taken up barbaric acts of violence towards the European colonizers, then colonization is acceptable.

What would be a good comparison, in your opinion?


Does that mean you are not a German colonizer? How much blood quantum is enough to make you indigenous? Is that the measure we should be using to define a peoples?


(The Jewish people are the indigenous peoples of that land. The definition is that the culture of the Jewish people originated in that land. The culture was not transferred from elsewhere.)

Canadian notable Irwin Kotler rightfully called [all] the Jews, the aboriginals of the land of Israel

 

[Sayaras]

because that's who the people vote for. It's a democracy. Whoever runs stands a chance at winning. Have you looked up Pres. Navon? Sephardic, by the way. Did you notice that NO American president has been a woman? This must mean that America is a male colonialist nation, right?

Actually, they have a right because they established a government, were given land by those in control of the land in a partition and they defended it. Why are you talking about a book?

So therefore, pointing out " you guys seem to alienate people wherever you go" is irrelevant, right?

oh, good. Tell me why I deserve the blame.

he said, about to justify what Hitler did...

Ah yes, "the Jews." Note, not some people who were Jewish, but "the Jews." So regardless of whether your claim is factual (it is a gross oversimplification, at best) you use a local event to justify a reaction which victimized the entire community, in more than one country. This then also justifies all violence against all Jews everywhere. Good work.

The Muslim rulers were a touch nicer than the Christian ones. Until they weren't. "Stole" anything? I mean, facts argue this, but it is clear that you and facts aren't really friends.

"people"? Sure, but that's about individuals. There was no collective identity (take a look at the series of "peoples" who dominated -- see "Palestinian" among them? I don't). When did this "occupation" (clearly, not in the modern, legal sense) begin? Before or after the Jews were mostly evicted? And why do you ignore the history of Arab violence against the Jews who were living in the land before 1880?

But let's blame the "Europeans". And let's blame killing Jesus.

So YUSUF joeb131 blames all the 6 million Jews of any age and of any political ideology or of no ideology for being exterminated because of what Hitler said-lied.
Another reaffirmation that pro fakestine is about racism ...

 

[JoeB131]

because that's who the people vote for. It's a democracy. Whoever runs stands a chance at winning. Have you looked up Pres. Navon? Sephardic, by the way. Did you notice that NO American president has been a woman? This must mean that America is a male colonialist nation, right?

Wow, that's a stretch, isn't it? I mean, it kind of reeks of desperation. How come no Sephardic Jews have been PM (the office of President is largely ceremonial)? Not that it matters much, most of the Sepharadim didn't live in Palestine, either. They lived in Spain originally and settled in the Islamic world until they (wait for it) wore out their welcome there, too.

Actually, they have a right because they established a government, were given land by those in control of the land in a partition and they defended it. Why are you talking about a book?

Ah, but why go for that land when there were so many other places they COULD have settled? Oh, that's right, the book with the talking snakes said God promised them that land.

Ah yes, "the Jews." Note, not some people who were Jewish, but "the Jews." So regardless of whether your claim is factual (it is a gross oversimplification, at best) you use a local event to justify a reaction which victimized the entire community, in more than one country. This then also justifies all violence against all Jews everywhere. Good work.

I was just limiting the discussion to the Germans, who were, after all, the people who instigated the Holocaust. Gee, why did they do that? Maybe because some Jewish revolutionaries overthrew their government in the middle of a war, and then took advantage when people were literally starving to death.

And before you guys talk about "justifications", you guys have milked 10-7 as an excuse to bomb Gaza for over a year. I kind of don't want to hear this shit. You lost the moral high ground a long time ago.

"people"? Sure, but that's about individuals. There was no collective identity (take a look at the series of "peoples" who dominated -- see "Palestinian" among them? I don't). When did this "occupation" (clearly, not in the modern, legal sense) begin? Before or after the Jews were mostly evicted? And why do you ignore the history of Arab violence against the Jews who were living in the land before 1880?

Well, first, not many of them were. The 1890 Ottoman Census recorded only 43,000 Jews living in Palestine (as opposed to 71,000 Christians and 432,000 Muslims.) So they were at best, 8% of the population.

The thing was, the Arabs revolted against the Ottomans because the British promised them independence. Instead, they got colonized and the British started dumping European Jews into the place.

 

[JoeB131]

"Coming to terms" is vaguespeak. What do you mean by this? That the US, Canada, and Australia have "two-state"(or more) solutions for their indigenous and their colonialist populations? That the indigenous populations enjoy full "rights" to their culture, their laws, their language, their territory, their holiday celebrations? That the indigenous peoples have self-determination and Statehood?

Because it sounds an awful lot like you are saying that European colonialism is just fine for the US, Canada, and Australia, despite the problems and inequities it causes for the indigenous peoples. Or that you are saying that since the indigenous peoples have not taken up barbaric acts of violence towards the European colonizers, then colonization is acceptable.

Of course it wasn't "just fine". But a lot of stuff that happened in the 1800s would not be acceptable today. Slavery, for instance.

Today, Native Americans enjoy both citizenship and they get special privileges on their reservations. It isn't enough to really make up for all the awful stuff that was done to them, though.

Does that mean you are not a German colonizer? How much blood quantum is enough to make you indigenous? Is that the measure we should be using to define a peoples?

That's an easy one. Just having ANY native blood qualifies you as being a Native American. My niece got points towards a scholarship for being a mere 1/16th indigenous. (However, the current standard is 25% for most nations.)

(The Jewish people are the indigenous peoples of that land. The definition is that the culture of the Jewish people originated in that land. The culture was not transferred from elsewhere.)

Nope, they are just a bunch of Europeans who adopted their religion.

It would be like if I claimed to be a follower of Wotan, so I should be able to colonize the Rhineland because Wotan promised that to me.

And now you know how absurd Zionism sounds.

 

[JoeB131]

So YUSUF Joeb131 blamed the jews fir suffering from Nazism and recycles Hitler/Goebbels "accusations."

Quite the contary... Historical revisionism has happened since the war because people felt bad about the Holocaust. (as they should have)

Check this out. This was a postcard created in 1919. When Hitler was still a street bum in Munich and wasn't interested in politics, and Goebbels was still thinking about becoming a priest.

The problem is, most people ignore Weimar Politics and just like to pretend Germany lost it's mind one day and elected Hitler.

Meanwhile the Neo-Nazi AfD just came in second place in recent German elections.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

“You’re 50 meters underground. The sanitary conditions are simply terrible. You shower once a month with a bottle of water, maybe half a bucket of cold water. The chains on my legs never left me from the day I arrived in Gaza until the last day. Some people were shackled only part of the time—I was chained for a year and four months, with thick, heavy locks that tore into my flesh”

-Former hostage Eli Sharabi on the conditions he endured in captivity.

 

[JoeB131]

“You’re 50 meters underground. The sanitary conditions are simply terrible. You shower once a month with a bottle of water, maybe half a bucket of cold water. The chains on my legs never left me from the day I arrived in Gaza until the last day. Some people were shackled only part of the time—I was chained for a year and four months, with thick, heavy locks that tore into my flesh”

-Former hostage Eli Sharabi on the conditions he endured in captivity.

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I see that kvetching is still an art form.