Noncitizens found on key swing state's voter rolls

[Care4all]

The point remaining that somewhere along the line, you have to produce an ID to exercise your Constitutional right.

Already under the law or registration and voting process, an ID like your social security last 4 digits, or your drivers licence number are required on the registration application....

Then the govt office vets you just from that info....for approval or not.

Then, under federal law, the first time a newly registered voter votes.... he or she has to show identification that they are the person registered to that address registered on file....this can be their most recent electric bill with name and address or driver's licence....etc etc.

 

[task0778]

They destroy voting records, right? So, nobody knows who voted and who didn't, but then the question becomes subjective. How many illegals voted? How many voted (illegal or not) more than once? Some say the number is too small to worry about; my question is, how many does it take to become a problem? How many is too many? I do not believe in this day and age that this country can't afford to ensure the election process is as trustworthy as possible, and right now there's too many people who have doubts about that. I would say that we spend way too much money on bullshit projects, and instead we should make sure our elections are as clean as possible.

 

[IM2]

If they are voting, noncitizens can vote Republican too.

 

[leftwinger]

RetiredGySgt

Already under the law or registration and voting process, an ID like your social security last 4 digits, or your drivers licence number are required on the registration application....

Then the govt office vets you just from that info....for approval or not.

Then, under federal law, the first time a newly registered voter votes.... he or she has to show identification that they are the person registered to that address registered on file....this can be their most recent electric bill with name and address or driver's licence....etc etc.

More nonsense out of you spinning Cabin-fevered clown.

I just posted above over 45K non-citizens are legally registered to vite federal only in AZ 2024. Mail ballots go out to any who want it at time of registration. Do math dummy.

Imagine millions in CA even more corrupted. Get off the boards APE.

 

[Care4all]

They destroy voting records, right? So, nobody knows who voted and who didn't, but then the question becomes subjective. How many illegals voted? How many voted (illegal or not) more than once? Some say the number is too small to worry about; my question is, how many does it take to become a problem? How many is too many? I do not believe in this day and age that this country can't afford to ensure the election process is as trustworthy as possible, and right now there's too many people who have doubts about that. I would say that we spend way too much money on bullshit projects, and instead we should make sure our elections are as clean as possible.

How does one vote more than once???

Why would illegals here seeking amnesty commit a felony by illegally voting and risk immediate, expedited deportation? Why oh why oh why?

 

[Care4all]

RetiredGySgt



More nonsense out of you spinning Cabin-fevered clown.

I just posted above over 45K non-citizens Voted in AZ 2024. Imagine millions in CA even more corrupted. Get off the boards APE.

You did no such thing. You gave your own twisted opinion that it was only non citizen that registered to vote in federal elections only....which is far from reality or the truth.

 

[leftwinger]

How does one vote more than once???

Why would illegals here seeking amnesty commit a felony by illegally voting and risk immediate, expedited deportation? Why oh why oh why?

You're hopelessly stuck around 3rd grade. They register, get EBT and someone votes their mail ballot you dumb OX. Yes it happened in 2020

I can't keep this up.

 

[leftwinger]

You did no such thing. You gave your own twisted opinion that it was only non citizen that registered to vote in federal elections only....which is far from reality or the truth.

You stupid OX. Last time I deal with your Spinning BS. NGO register illegals at incoming using federal only loophole or they can lie (just check the box Omar) and register as homeless citizens no ID. Yes it happens****

Federal-only voters in Arizona are individuals who have registered to vote using the federal form without providing documented proof of citizenship, allowing them to vote only in federal elections (President, U.S. Senate, and U.S. House).

In the 2020 election, more than 11,600 federal-only voters cast ballots in Arizona. This number is based on data cited in a 2022 report by the Arizona Free Enterprise Club, which noted a significant increase from about 1,700 such voters in 2018.

Additional context:

As of October 2020, approximately 36,000 individuals were registered as federal-only voters in Arizona.

 

[leftwinger]

In MN one voter can bring in 8 election same day voters to "vouch" for. You dont think Somali arent willing to bring in a 8-non citizen butt-buddies?

There are a lot of loopholes for dirty Deep State D to exploit.

It is on basically on thr honor system now online to register in CA. Voting online is close.

 

[task0778]

How does one vote more than once???

Why would illegals here seeking amnesty commit a felony by illegally voting and risk immediate, expedited deportation? Why oh why oh why?

Someone could vote by mail in another state or district by mail and then vote where they live, or something like that. Or even vote by mail twice from different places. The thing about a felony is whether you get caught; fraudulent voting does happen, and there are some cases where it has been proven in court and people were convicted. In this case, it isn't just undocumented immigrants who are involved, it's others who creatively acquire their ballots and cast their votes. As you say it is illegal, but I would venture to say that for every conviction there are quite a few cases where it wasn't even discovered or couldn't be proven, because our laws require privacy and so individual voting information can be hard to prove.

As for why oh why? There are people out there who are so politically driven to win that they will stoop to illegal acts. To deny that is to deny reality IMHO. But fraudulent elections/voting is hard to prove so there isn't a lot of convictions but that does not mean there isn't quite a lot of it going on and there is a large number of people in this country that do not trust the current electoral process. And THAT is why it needs to be changed.

 

[candycorn]

Yet another reason we need voter ID laws.

James Comer investigates reports of noncitizens found on key swing state's voter rolls

The House Oversight Committee is investigating reports that noncitizens appeared in Michigan jury pools and voter rolls.

www.foxnews.com

"Non-citizens have appeared in the state’s jury pool, and in some instances, have been registered to vote"

"Michigan’s jury pool is drawn from individuals holding driver’s licenses and state identification cards (state IDs). Under Michigan law, individuals who apply for a driver’s license or state ID are automatically registered to vote unless they affirmatively decline,"

"In Michigan’s Macomb County, Clerk Anthony Forlini uncovered significant breaches during a cross check of the Michigan Secretary of State’s Qualified Voter File and the county jury pool. Over a four-month period, 239 non-citizens were found to have been included in the jury pool. Of these individuals, 14 were identified as having been registered to vote at one point."

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Did they vote?

 

[candycorn]

Sure, and people can show an ID when they vote.

Want to fly on a plane? Show an ID.
Want to ride on a train? Show an ID.
Want to get a credit card? Show an ID.
Want to get a passport? Show an ID.
Want to go to a democrat political rally? Show an ID.
Want to watch our government in action live? Show an ID.

And on it goes.

Want to do just about anything in society today? Show an ID. Why is it that only when it comes to voting do we clutch our pearls and worry about extra hurdles? Face it, most people actually want this.

I get credit card offers by mail every week.

 

[hadit]

I get credit card offers by mail every week.

Are you happy about that? And how does that relate to needing to prove your identity to get one? Or are you trying to say you believe you don't have to prove identity to get a credit card, that you can just tell them to send you one?

 

[Sparker]

14 ineligibles were found in one county. Michigan has 83 counties.

The 2024 Senate election was 48.64% to 48.3%. Democrat Elissa Slotkin won by 19,006 votes out of 5.6 million. That same year, Trump won the state 49.73% to 48.31%. So the elections may have been fair enough that year. There is always cheating in elections, but exactly how much cheating, and is that enough to decide a race, stays buried until people do the work of digging and risking careers.

 

[Meister]

Within our society, we have to show a photo ID in numerous areas.
No issues with showing their ID's with the vast majority of instances.
Yet, the liberals have made voting the hill that they will die on.
It's obvious as to why.

 

[rightwinger]

Social Security is a federal entity with one system of record. Voting rolls are set up by state, with 50 (more if you count DC and territories) systems of record. Sure, it would be great if every state positively recorded every death, but look at the resistance democrats pop up with whenever anyone even tries to audit the rolls and purge them of deceased voters.

Should be, but trying to positively identify someone is notoriously difficult. I worked for over a decade at the company that does all the matching between organ donors and recipients, and they had an entire team dedicated to doing exactly that. To do what you say should be automatic would require states and localities to link their systems together and share updates, and that could be problematic if California doesn't want to share voter information with Texas, for one example. You would have to craft federal legislation that would violate state voting independence. That could be considered minor, but could also cause problems.

As part of the registration process it is easy enough to ask….
Are you registered to vote elsewhere, if so, where?

 

[task0778]

14 ineligibles were found in one county. Michigan has 83 counties.

The 2024 Senate election was 48.64% to 48.3%. Democrat Elissa Slotkin won by 19,006 votes out of 5.6 million. That same year, Trump won the state 49.73% to 48.31%. So the elections may have been fair enough that year. There is always cheating in elections, but exactly how much cheating, and is that enough to decide a race, stays buried until people do the work of digging and risking careers.

14 ineligibles were found does not mean many more existed but were not found. How many ineligibles are necessary to decide to make changes to the election process to eliminate or reduce fraud? Maybe the bigger problem is that so many people have doubts about the integrity of the system no matter who won or lost. And other people choose to ignore the problem that I think warrants some changes.

As part of the registration process it is easy enough to ask….
Are you registered to vote elsewhere, if so, where?

Is there a national system that can determine multiple votes from the same individual? I kinda doubt that, and I suspect some states do not have the means to identify multiple votes from the same person in different districts in the same state. Do some states check their databases for dead people or those who moved out of state? And spare me the statement from any Secy of State that reassures us that such is not the case.

 

[hadit]

As part of the registration process it is easy enough to ask….
Are you registered to vote elsewhere, if so, where?

To which anyone could answer anything without some sort of documentation, ie, ID.

 

[Meister]

As part of the registration process it is easy enough to ask….
Are you registered to vote elsewhere, if so, where?

I for one, could have voted in both Ca. and Id. in 2008.
I moved from Ca. to Id that year and had a continual
mail in ballot every election in Ca. A mailman that I worked
with who delivered to my old address called and asked if I wanted him
to use my ballot and vote with it. I told him it was enticing thought, but
just throw it away.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

States run by democrats refuse to purge voter rolls and sue when forced too. Only one reason for that too.