Noncitizens found on key swing state's voter rolls

None of those are a Constitutional RIGHT, voting is.....I'm surprised you didn't know that....
And I'm surprised that you didn't know this...

A mature appearing 16-year-old shows up and wants to vote. What do you do if you are not allowed to require that person to prove they are over 18? The only way to verify that he actually has that right is to force him to produce an ID.

Another case, a clean, sober felon shows up at a gun store and wants to purchase a firearm. What do you do if you are not allowed to require that person to prove they do not have a felonious criminal record? He has the Constitutional right to buy the gun, after all. Oh, wait, you CAN prevent him from purchasing it by what, forcing him to produce an ID and pass a background check. Why is it acceptable to force citizens to produce an ID to exercise one Constitutional right but not another?

That punctures your point that a Constitutional right prevents the government from requiring someone to prove they are eligible to exercise that right.
 
A passport is a constitutional right for a US Citizen. as for the Constitution, in order to vote you need to be a citizen and requiring proof is not against the constitution.
Disenfranchising citizens that repubs think vote more for democrats by giving them extra hurdles to jump over and miss, is unconstitutional....imo.

Every registered voter should be vetted for citizenship by the precinct, who have access to the govt records....vetted for citizenship, vetted for being a felon, vetted for their age over 18, vetted address and be verified by the precinct before they approve the voting registration application, through our govt systems.

It should be the government vetter's job to verify qualifications.

The law has some good measures but other measures disenfranchises, students, women, military and fam, wage workers etc
 
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And I'm surprised that you didn't know this...

A mature appearing 16-year-old shows up and wants to vote. What do you do if you are not allowed to require that person to prove they are over 18? The only way to verify

In such case he would have been rejected through the voter registration process as being under age and wouldn't be a registered voter.

WW
 
And I'm surprised that you didn't know this...

A mature appearing 16-year-old shows up and wants to vote. What do you do if you are not allowed to require that person to prove they are over 18? The only way to verify that he actually has that right is to force him to produce an ID.

Another case, a clean, sober felon shows up at a gun store and wants to purchase a firearm. What do you do if you are not allowed to require that person to prove they do not have a felonious criminal record? He has the Constitutional right to buy the gun, after all. Oh, wait, you CAN prevent him from purchasing it by what, forcing him to produce an ID and pass a background check. Why is it acceptable to force citizens to produce an ID to exercise one Constitutional right but not another?

That punctures your point that a Constitutional right prevents the government from requiring someone to prove they are eligible to exercise that right.
Produce any ID, and the govt has systems to verify their citizenship, age, criminal record, address....

In this bill, even your REAL ID drivers licence is NOT ACCEPTED as a qualified ID to register to vote.

Please, READ THE BILL and know the consequences of what is in it.
 
14 .. out how how many MILLIONS?
where there are 14 there are many more and again the original claim by your ilk was that NO illegal registrations occurred and where attempted were caught before they could be eligible to vote. Now it is golly gee only a few got through nothing to see here.
 
where there are 14 there are many more and again the original claim by your ilk was that NO illegal registrations occurred and where attempted were caught before they could be eligible to vote. Now it is golly gee only a few got through nothing to see here.
That is NOT a claim I have ever heard

The claim has always been that the amount of cheating is tiny

Like 14 out of millions
 
where there are 14 there are many more and again the original claim by your ilk was that NO illegal registrations occurred and where attempted were caught before they could be eligible to vote. Now it is golly gee only a few got through nothing to see here.
Yet Republicans claim there are millions of illegals voting
Yet can only point to a dozen or so
 
where there are 14 there are many more and again the original claim by your ilk was that NO illegal registrations occurred and where attempted were caught before they could be eligible to vote. Now it is golly gee only a few got through nothing to see here.

Based on Heritage Foundation records and an analysis of fraud vs votes over decades.

How many voters are you willing to disenfranchize? 10's? 100's? 1000's? Millions?

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And they didn't even vote....they got registered to vote....
That is NOT a claim I have ever heard

The claim has always been that the amount of cheating is tiny

Like 14 out of millions
 
where there are 14 there are many more and again the original claim by your ilk was that NO illegal registrations occurred and where attempted were caught before they could be eligible to vote. Now it is golly gee only a few got through nothing to see here.

Instead of disenfranchizing legitimate voters, join me in calling for the replacement of the current "voter registration" model.

TL;DR Answser - because the government already knows all the citizens eligible to vote.

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PREMISE:

The current model of “voter” registration is a carryover from the British system established during the birth of our country and was based on a time when:
  • The main mode of transportation was shanks mare (feet)
  • Cargo was moved by horse drawn wagons
  • It could take days and multiple riders for information to travel from the State Capital to any point in the state and weeks if information needed to move from one end of the country to another (say Maine to Florida). As the country expanded that time could be measured in months (east coast to west coast).
During those times the idea of “Voter Registration” being localized made sense as the vast majority of the population was born, lived, and died in the same 100 mile circle.

That time is passed, we now live in the age of a highly mobile society with instant communications. Hell sitting here on the east coast I can pick up a phone, punch in a few numbers and be talking with my daughter stationed in Japan.

RECOMMENDATION:
Therefore I think it’s time to fundamentally change the core concept of “Voter Registration” from the current model of registering to vote and having to prove you are eligible to being automatically an eligible voter unless the franchised is removed for a reason (felony, death, mental incapacity, etc.).

This fundamental shift from “having to register to vote” to “eligible voter” would be based on the integration of various sources of information into a central clearing house that all states would be required to participate in for election for federal offices. If they decided to maintain a separate parallel system for state/local elections, they would be free to do so.

All eligible citizens are fundamentally considered “registered to vote” as long as they are of the correct age and have not had their franchise removed. So it becomes less a question of “who” is eligible to vote, the only remaining question is “where” they are eligible to vote.

This “Voter Electronic Eligibility Center” system would include:
  • Real time access to voter eligibility information via an encrypted secure network to state and local boards of election.
  • State and local boards would be able to download voters whose address falls within their jurisdiction.
  • State and local officials would have access to querying and updating individual statuses.
  • Information would be integrated from various sources which provide input into the system.
  • State Department responsible for vital records - births, deaths, etc.
  • State Department of Taxation – current address, change of Address
  • State Department of Motor Vehicles – current address, change of address
  • State Departments of State – Court actions and restoration of franchise after removed by court action
  • United States Postal Service – National valid addresses, change of address
  • Social Security Administration – births deaths, etc.
  • Federal Department of State – naturalization of new citizens
  • The various Felony level courts at both the State and Federal level – removal of the franchise via felony conviction
Because of the data integration between the various agencies, the idea of “voter eligibility” is shifted. There are no “purging the roles” based on inactivity. All citizens are considered active voters.

Where you vote then becomes a function of your primary legal address (of which you will only have one). If you move, that address change will automatically be fed into the system and your information would be downloaded to the local elections office.

When you are born, you are automatically registered into the system and become “eligible to vote” at your 18th birthday. You just have to wait to get there of course.

If you die, when that death is registered it is automatically communicated to the VEEC making you ineligible to vote.

Now in my humble opinion, it would take 10-15 years for such a system. First you need funding. Then the IT experts and Database geeks are going to have to map out the secure communication systems and data interface software that will function between agencies. Then you are going to need a few years each of “Alpha” and “Beta” testing before it can really go live. But once all the players are in place it could really streamline what we view as “voter registration” making it so much easier for (a) us as individuals and (b) for the voting process in general.

WW
 
Geez...here in Florida trying to settle my deceased parents estate....the funeral home notified The Social Security administration of my parent's deaths and the VA/FAA for my father's pension to stop. We didn't even ask them to do that, so maybe it is a law in Florida for funeral homes to do that on deaths??

Anyway, I guess it is up to my sister and me to notify Voter's registration or town office or who?, that my parents are dead and no longer voters?
 
Anyway, I guess it is up to my sister and me to notify Voter's registration or town office or who?, that my parents are dead and no longer voters?
As you stated, it seems automatic that Social Security is notified of a death. Should be the same for voting rolls.

More importantly is to notify the local registrar when someone moves. Should be automatic when you register at a new location
 
As you stated, it seems automatic that Social Security is notified of a death. Should be the same for voting rolls.

More importantly is to notify the local registrar when someone moves. Should be automatic when you register at a new location
The hospital sent each body to the funeral home....don't know if it was the hospital or the funeral director who gave the info for a death certificate to the government, but the funeral home director is who got about 10 death certificate copies to give to my older sister, as she is the trustee of my parent's trust and needs them for various creditors/debtors and insurance policies etc....it took about 2 to 3 weeks to get them.

When the state issues a death certificate, that info should automatically remove the person from the voter rolls....imo.
 
In such case he would have been rejected through the voter registration process as being under age and wouldn't be a registered voter.

WW
The point remaining that somewhere along the line, you have to produce an ID to exercise your Constitutional right.
 
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The point remaining that somewhere along the line, you have to produce an ID to exercise your Constitutional right.
If when you register, there is a question about your eligibility, you have months to assemble proper paperwork.

If you show up to vote and someone questions your documentation, you are screwed
 
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As you stated, it seems automatic that Social Security is notified of a death. Should be the same for voting rolls.
Social Security is a federal entity with one system of record. Voting rolls are set up by state, with 50 (more if you count DC and territories) systems of record. Sure, it would be great if every state positively recorded every death, but look at the resistance democrats pop up with whenever anyone even tries to audit the rolls and purge them of deceased voters.
More importantly is to notify the local registrar when someone moves. Should be automatic when you register at a new location
Should be, but trying to positively identify someone is notoriously difficult. I worked for over a decade at the company that does all the matching between organ donors and recipients, and they had an entire team dedicated to doing exactly that. To do what you say should be automatic would require states and localities to link their systems together and share updates, and that could be problematic if California doesn't want to share voter information with Texas, for one example. You would have to craft federal legislation that would violate state voting independence. That could be considered minor, but could also cause problems.
 
so now instead of saying no illegals are registered to vote your defense is, well golly you only found a few?


ArIZ handed out FED only ballots to those unwilling unable to provide Citizenship proof. 45K. Those are the ones who voted. How many are on the voter roll using their mail ballots corruptly? Just one State. In an 11K difference state. Imagine the millions in CA. Yet that dumb Canin fevered lady chirps on?
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As of the most recent data available, there are approximately 45,457 federal-only voters in Arizona, according to the October 2024 Voter Registration Statistics released by the Arizona Secretary of State. This number reflects a slight increase from 42,301 after the Primary Election.

Federal-only voters are individuals who registered to vote without providing documented proof of U.S. citizenship, which is required under Arizona law for voting in state and local elections. These voters are still eligible to vote in federal elections (such as president and U.S. Congress) under federal law, which does not require proof of citizenship.

I'd rate my post a winner if I could. Non-Citizens can elect Obiden again.
 
Spinning confusion from AI searching LW rags perhaps?
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Key facts:
Federal-only voters make up less than 1% of Arizona’s total voter roll.
The majority are concentrated on college campuses, particularly in Tucson (University of Arizona) and Tempe (Arizona State University), where young adults often lack immediate access to documents like birth certificates or driver’s licenses.
About 14% of federal-only voters cast ballots in the November 2024 general election, which saw record turnout in Arizona.
The state continues to implement new checks on citizenship and residency, with federal judges upholding the current system as legal and non-discriminatory.
 
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