Nobel Prize For Palestinian Hero?

[Coyote]

Does anybody notice how these vile things never ask the question "Why shouldn't Charles Manson be nominated for the peace prize?" and then proceed to offer reams of sophistry towards that end?

The fact the Jews are the targets legitimizes the killers in the black hearts of these evil creatures.

Who's making the argument that Manson should be, and is Manson even comparable to Begin, Mandella or Marwan? Talk about using extremes.

 

[jillian]

Why not? The warmongering Chickenhawk Obama got one...

nut bar

 

[jillian]

Why shouldn't Marwan Barghouti be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize?

Because decent people reject murder.

That you would have to have that explained to you only exhibits how extreme you are in your support for those who do.

Decent people don't reject murder apparently, given the history of some of the prior Nobel winners (haven't heard any rejection from you on that score, maybe it's only Palestinian murderers you reject).

I would not have given a Nobel to Begin or Mandela.

Unlike you, I am not a despicably underhanded and corrupt individual who devotes many tens of thousands of postings towards defending terrorism.

Unlike you I believe in redemption.

I have never defended terrorism, you have never provided a single link. Every time I ask, you run away.

you believe in redemption for palestinian terrorists so you can constantly slander jews

 

[Phoenall]

By who, Monty ?

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

There's a big difference between the assailant and the assailed

Ergo offering a prize to a terrorist is like offering a prize to Hitler

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

Ask team Palestine the same questions and get ready for the deathly silence.

Huh? I answered.

Ask how firing a weapon packed with rat poison into a schoolyard is defending yourself ?

Who said it was? Not I. You're the one trying to make mass attacks on civilians "self defense".

The whole Nobel peace prize was shown to be a farce when Obama was given it for tying his shoes

I agree, it has been a farce in some cases - but I think in other cases is has been well deserved, for instance Mandella.

No I asked the question WHY THESE ACTS WERE DONE and you have skirted that issue.

I've skirted nothing.

Does the "WHY" matter when the target is a civilian target like a crowded market place or a cinema? Like most cases of terrorism the "WHY" is to produce terror in the targeted population.

Are you trying to justify this?

As for mandella he was still orchestrating mass murders of blacks while he was in prison, if anyone deserved to be executed it was him and his wife Winnie. Do you know he ordered the necklacing of more black South Africans than the Boers shot while in power

Killing civilians is killing civilians. I just find it interesting that you are trying to justify one and condemn the other.

In either case - both Begin and Mandella went on to promote peace and reconciliation and achieved it and that is what makes it worthy of a Peace Prize.

NO unlike team Palestine that have to justify every act by the Palestinians along race lines.

Wrong I condemn all terrorist attacks on civlians

One was fighting for his very existence the other was a communist fighting to gain world domination. That is the difference.

 

[Phoenall]

By who, Monty ?

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

There's a big difference between the assailant and the assailed

Ergo offering a prize to a terrorist is like offering a prize to Hitler

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

Ask team Palestine the same questions and get ready for the deathly silence.

Huh? I answered.

Ask how firing a weapon packed with rat poison into a schoolyard is defending yourself ?

Who said it was? Not I. You're the one trying to make mass attacks on civilians "self defense".

The whole Nobel peace prize was shown to be a farce when Obama was given it for tying his shoes

I agree, it has been a farce in some cases - but I think in other cases is has been well deserved, for instance Mandella.

No I asked the question WHY THESE ACTS WERE DONE and you have skirted that issue.

I've skirted nothing.

Does the "WHY" matter when the target is a civilian target like a crowded market place or a cinema? Like most cases of terrorism the "WHY" is to produce terror in the targeted population.

Are you trying to justify this?

As for mandella he was still orchestrating mass murders of blacks while he was in prison, if anyone deserved to be executed it was him and his wife Winnie. Do you know he ordered the necklacing of more black South Africans than the Boers shot while in power

Killing civilians is killing civilians. I just find it interesting that you are trying to justify one and condemn the other.

In either case - both Begin and Mandella went on to promote peace and reconciliation and achieved it and that is what makes it worthy of a Peace Prize.

NO unlike team Palestine that have to justify every act by the Palestinians along race lines.

Wrong I condemn all terrorist attacks on civilians

One was fighting for his very existence the other was a communist fighting to gain world domination. That is the difference.

 

[Phoenall]

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

Yes under any civilised nations laws that is the case, otherwise I could accuse you of raping and murdering children and you would be stigmatised for the rest of your life.

True.

Not at all the authorities are waiting until they are in a position to arrest the criminals and then they will be tried. Does not mean they have not committed the crimes at all. In the case of Begin he could have been arrested and tried many times and the British did nothing. Could it be they had something to hide from the world, like the mass murder of 10's of 1000's of Jews fleeing Europe and the Nazi's ?

He was never captured. That does not mean he wasn't guilty. Just like ISIS. Just like Hamas. He was the commander of Irgun and as a result, responsible for ordering what they did - just like a Hamas commander. If the British mass murdered Jews, that doesn't make Begin's actions any less horrific nor does it justify them. They are civilian targets.

The targets were those that were attacking the Jews in Palestine, not civilians. Like the arab muslims action on the orders of the grand mufti or the British establishment sending thousands of Jews to their deaths. I am ashamed of my nations past history in the M.E. and other places when they killed thousands for no other reason than they were a different culture or religion.
So how is Begin guilty of the deaths caused by defence of the Jewish people and not the Palestinians that do the same thing. Or for that matter you who defends the actions of the Palestinians when they attack Jewish women and children., and don't say you don't as the evidence is on this board.

 

[Phoenall]

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

Yes under any civilised nations laws that is the case, otherwise I could accuse you of raping and murdering children and you would be stigmatised for the rest of your life.

True.

Not at all the authorities are waiting until they are in a position to arrest the criminals and then they will be tried. Does not mean they have not committed the crimes at all. In the case of Begin he could have been arrested and tried many times and the British did nothing. Could it be they had something to hide from the world, like the mass murder of 10's of 1000's of Jews fleeing Europe and the Nazi's ?

He was never captured. That does not mean he wasn't guilty. Just like ISIS. Just like Hamas. He was the commander of Irgun and as a result, responsible for ordering what they did - just like a Hamas commander. If the British mass murdered Jews, that doesn't make Begin's actions any less horrific nor does it justify them. They are civilian targets.

He was never targeted for arrest, like the mufti was never targeted because they would spill some beans the British would not be able to live with so were left alone.

Like a certain politician was not arrested for buying child porn from America when he was caught in a joint FBI/CIA sting. It allowed the US to force the UK into the Gulf war

That doesn't negate what he did though, just like it doesn't negate the mufti's actions.

Yet you seem to defend the Palestinians who use the same reason, and you defend their actions until you are painted into a corner. You still come out with the islamonazi mantra " why don't the Jews get their homes destroyed" when you have been told that the laws differ.

 

[Phoenall]

Does anybody notice how these vile things never ask the question "Why shouldn't Charles Manson be nominated for the peace prize?" and then proceed to offer reams of sophistry towards that end?

The fact the Jews are the targets legitimizes the killers in the black hearts of these evil creatures.

Who's making the argument that Manson should be, and is Manson even comparable to Begin, Mandella or Marwan? Talk about using extremes.

Is the actions of a religious extremist the same as the actions of a person defending his people from genocide. That is the real question you should be asking. Again I point you to the koran and hadiths that command the muslims to " KILL THE JEWS " and " KILL THE UNBELIEVERS "

 

[Boston1]

What Fakestinian hero ?

All I see is a convicted murderer of civilians rotting away in jail writing hasbara pieces for the Fakestinians

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Who's making the argument that Manson should be, and is Manson even comparable to Begin, Mandella or Marwan? Talk about using extremes.

You keep saying there is no reason not to nominate a multiple murderer for the Nobel peace prize.

I realize you are poorly educated, have probably never encountered any Jewish people there in thems back woods of west Virginnie and are too wrapped up in this Pallywood cult to consider that the murder of Jews is actually wrong, but I am not the extremist for rejecting it.

Perhaps you should stick to trimming dog's toenails instead of devoting so many tens of thousands of postings supporting Islamism.

 

[montelatici]

The only difference between Begin and Barghouti is that Begin lead a group that killed Christians and Muslims and Barghouti led a group that killed Jews. So, of course the Jewish and self-hating Christian Zionists will praise Begin and denigrate Barghouti, while the non hypocritical approach would be to denigrate both or neither.

 

[Roudy]

^^^^^^
More lies. All that Begin did was fight genocidal Islamic Nazis to both defend his people and help establish the one and only Jewish state on ancestral and religious Jewish lands.

 

[Coyote]

Who's making the argument that Manson should be, and is Manson even comparable to Begin, Mandella or Marwan? Talk about using extremes.

You keep saying there is no reason not to nominate a multiple murderer for the Nobel peace prize.

I realize you are poorly educated, have probably never encountered any Jewish people there in thems back woods of west Virginnie and are too wrapped up in this Pallywood cult to consider that the murder of Jews is actually wrong, but I am not the extremist for rejecting it.

Perhaps you should stick to trimming dog's toenails instead of devoting so many tens of thousands of postings supporting Islamism.

Aren't you sweet. Your true colors are certainly showing. Why do you hate Appalachians so much? Ever been to West Virginia or do you get all your cultural info from Dueling Banjos? Do you look down on people who work with dogs? Is this some kind of dogma or elitist bigotry?

You only care about "multiple murderers" when it's a Muslim, otherwise your silence is resounding.

Even a murderer can go on to promote peace and that is what the award is for.

Maybe you should stick to your stated heros whom you seem to regard as role models - like the man who was a blatent anti-semite and who went around the country electrocuting live animals in front of audiences. That suits you.

 

[Coyote]

Why shouldn't Marwan Barghouti be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize?

Because decent people reject murder.

That you would have to have that explained to you only exhibits how extreme you are in your support for those who do.

Decent people don't reject murder apparently, given the history of some of the prior Nobel winners (haven't heard any rejection from you on that score, maybe it's only Palestinian murderers you reject).

I would not have given a Nobel to Begin or Mandela.

Unlike you, I am not a despicably underhanded and corrupt individual who devotes many tens of thousands of postings towards defending terrorism.

Unlike you I believe in redemption.

I have never defended terrorism, you have never provided a single link. Every time I ask, you run away.

you believe in redemption for palestinian terrorists so you can constantly slander jews

Link?

 

[Coyote]

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

Ask team Palestine the same questions and get ready for the deathly silence.

Huh? I answered.

Ask how firing a weapon packed with rat poison into a schoolyard is defending yourself ?

Who said it was? Not I. You're the one trying to make mass attacks on civilians "self defense".

The whole Nobel peace prize was shown to be a farce when Obama was given it for tying his shoes

I agree, it has been a farce in some cases - but I think in other cases is has been well deserved, for instance Mandella.

No I asked the question WHY THESE ACTS WERE DONE and you have skirted that issue.

I've skirted nothing.

Does the "WHY" matter when the target is a civilian target like a crowded market place or a cinema? Like most cases of terrorism the "WHY" is to produce terror in the targeted population.

Are you trying to justify this?

As for mandella he was still orchestrating mass murders of blacks while he was in prison, if anyone deserved to be executed it was him and his wife Winnie. Do you know he ordered the necklacing of more black South Africans than the Boers shot while in power

Killing civilians is killing civilians. I just find it interesting that you are trying to justify one and condemn the other.

In either case - both Begin and Mandella went on to promote peace and reconciliation and achieved it and that is what makes it worthy of a Peace Prize.

NO unlike team Palestine that have to justify every act by the Palestinians along race lines.

Wrong I condemn all terrorist attacks on civlians

Really?

One was fighting for his very existence the other was a communist fighting to gain world domination. That is the difference.

Who is fighting for world domination?

Are you saying that the above justifies murdering civilians becuase it sure sounds like it.

 

[jillian]

Who's making the argument that Manson should be, and is Manson even comparable to Begin, Mandella or Marwan? Talk about using extremes.

You keep saying there is no reason not to nominate a multiple murderer for the Nobel peace prize.

I realize you are poorly educated, have probably never encountered any Jewish people there in thems back woods of west Virginnie and are too wrapped up in this Pallywood cult to consider that the murder of Jews is actually wrong, but I am not the extremist for rejecting it.

Perhaps you should stick to trimming dog's toenails instead of devoting so many tens of thousands of postings supporting Islamism.

Aren't you sweet. Your true colors are certainly showing. Why do you hate Appalachians so much? Ever been to West Virginia or do you get all your cultural info from Dueling Banjos? Do you look down on people who work with dogs? Is this some kind of dogma or elitist bigotry?

You only care about "multiple murderers" when it's a Muslim, otherwise your silence is resounding.

Even a murderer can go on to promote peace and that is what the award is for.

Maybe you should stick to your stated heros whom you seem to regard as role models - like the man who was a blatent anti-semite and who went around the country electrocuting live animals in front of audiences. That suits you.

jew-hating terrorist supporters are funny

how much does CAIR pay you for your lunacy?

 

[Coyote]

Does anybody notice how these vile things never ask the question "Why shouldn't Charles Manson be nominated for the peace prize?" and then proceed to offer reams of sophistry towards that end?

The fact the Jews are the targets legitimizes the killers in the black hearts of these evil creatures.

Who's making the argument that Manson should be, and is Manson even comparable to Begin, Mandella or Marwan? Talk about using extremes.

Is the actions of a religious extremist the same as the actions of a person defending his people from genocide. That is the real question you should be asking. Again I point you to the koran and hadiths that command the muslims to " KILL THE JEWS " and " KILL THE UNBELIEVERS "

Explain to me again how setting a bomb off in a crowded civilian market place equals "defending his people from genocide".

 

[Coyote]

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

Yes under any civilised nations laws that is the case, otherwise I could accuse you of raping and murdering children and you would be stigmatised for the rest of your life.

True.

Not at all the authorities are waiting until they are in a position to arrest the criminals and then they will be tried. Does not mean they have not committed the crimes at all. In the case of Begin he could have been arrested and tried many times and the British did nothing. Could it be they had something to hide from the world, like the mass murder of 10's of 1000's of Jews fleeing Europe and the Nazi's ?

He was never captured. That does not mean he wasn't guilty. Just like ISIS. Just like Hamas. He was the commander of Irgun and as a result, responsible for ordering what they did - just like a Hamas commander. If the British mass murdered Jews, that doesn't make Begin's actions any less horrific nor does it justify them. They are civilian targets.

He was never targeted for arrest, like the mufti was never targeted because they would spill some beans the British would not be able to live with so were left alone.

Like a certain politician was not arrested for buying child porn from America when he was caught in a joint FBI/CIA sting. It allowed the US to force the UK into the Gulf war

That doesn't negate what he did though, just like it doesn't negate the mufti's actions.

Yet you seem to defend the Palestinians who use the same reason, and you defend their actions until you are painted into a corner. You still come out with the islamonazi mantra " why don't the Jews get their homes destroyed" when you have been told that the laws differ.

Where have I defended ANYONE who has targeted civilians for attack? Link?

 

[Coyote]

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

Yes under any civilised nations laws that is the case, otherwise I could accuse you of raping and murdering children and you would be stigmatised for the rest of your life.

True.

Not at all the authorities are waiting until they are in a position to arrest the criminals and then they will be tried. Does not mean they have not committed the crimes at all. In the case of Begin he could have been arrested and tried many times and the British did nothing. Could it be they had something to hide from the world, like the mass murder of 10's of 1000's of Jews fleeing Europe and the Nazi's ?

He was never captured. That does not mean he wasn't guilty. Just like ISIS. Just like Hamas. He was the commander of Irgun and as a result, responsible for ordering what they did - just like a Hamas commander. If the British mass murdered Jews, that doesn't make Begin's actions any less horrific nor does it justify them. They are civilian targets.

The targets were those that were attacking the Jews in Palestine, not civilians. Like the arab muslims action on the orders of the grand mufti or the British establishment sending thousands of Jews to their deaths. I am ashamed of my nations past history in the M.E. and other places when they killed thousands for no other reason than they were a different culture or religion.
So how is Begin guilty of the deaths caused by defence of the Jewish people and not the Palestinians that do the same thing. Or for that matter you who defends the actions of the Palestinians when they attack Jewish women and children., and don't say you don't as the evidence is on this board.

You are on very thin ice here - you are essentially justifying Palestinian targeting of civilians.

Some of Irgun's attacks during Begin's commandership:

1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured.
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate.
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa.
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate.

These were civilian targets much like the targets Hamas chooses.

Bombs, especially barrel bombs are indiscriminate and designed to do as much damage to human flesh as possible.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

jew-hating terrorist supporters are funny

how much does CAIR pay you for your lunacy?

I can think of quite a few words that come to mind before "funny".

....but if this website wants Islamist terrorism support to be their face to the world, it is certainly their right.