Nobel Prize For Palestinian Hero?

[Coyote]

Would you have fried Begin? Mandella?

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

Would you have fried Begin? Mandella?

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

By who, Monty ?

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

There's a big difference between the assailant and the assailed

Ergo offering a prize to a terrorist is like offering a prize to Hitler

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

 

[Phoenall]

Why shouldn't Marwan Barghouti be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize?

Because decent people reject murder.

That you would have to have that explained to you only exhibits how extreme you are in your support for those who do.

Decent people don't reject murder apparently, given the history of some of the prior Nobel winners (haven't heard any rejection from you on that score, maybe it's only Palestinian murderers you reject).

OK then what has he dome to promote peace in any form ?

 

[Coyote]

Why shouldn't Marwan Barghouti be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize?

Because decent people reject murder.

That you would have to have that explained to you only exhibits how extreme you are in your support for those who do.

Decent people don't reject murder apparently, given the history of some of the prior Nobel winners (haven't heard any rejection from you on that score, maybe it's only Palestinian murderers you reject).

OK then what has he dome to promote peace in any form ?

I already went over that. I also specifically stated that I don't know if he is (yet) worthy of the prize but there is no reason not to nominate him. The biggest arguments given are that he is a criminal who killed people - but so were Begin and Mandella.

 

[Coyote]

Just to clarify for some folks - the Nobel Peace Prize is not the Mother Theresa prize.

 

[Phoenall]

Fry him.

He's a convicted terrorist with no redeeming qualities, He's doing five life sentences with no chance of parole.

Save all that space and money and just fry him.

Would you have fried Begin? Mandella?

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

 

[Phoenall]

Yet Begin, received the Peace Prize and was a leader of a terrorist group that planned and executed many terror attacks in which thousands of Palestinian civilians were murdered in violation of Article 51(3) of Additional Protocol I, protecting them when they are not involved direct part in hostilities; absent a clear "military advantage." And, Begin received the Peace Prize notwithstanding his intentional malfeasance of locating of paramilitary objectives inside densely populated Christian and Muslim villages Areas, intentionally murdering civilians to induce terror in the civilian populace promoting the departure of the remaining civilians to achieve ethnic cleansing.

"Thousands of Palestinian civilians murdered by Begin"?! Jayzus, your lies get worse and worse with each progressive post. Time to retool the antisemtic propaganda machine.

Begin was the leader of the Irgun. How many Palestinian civilians and British do you figure Irgun killed?

How many do you suppose were armed and looking to murder "the enemy"

From Wikipedia's list of Irgun attacks:
20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate.
10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa.
2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa.
14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall

Sounds like common old terrorism to me.

So what were the reasons for these attacks then, and if they happened between 1939 and 1947 they will have been in response to the British mass murders of Jews trying to migrate to palestine

 

[Coyote]

Would you have fried Begin? Mandella?

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

 

[Coyote]

Yet Begin, received the Peace Prize and was a leader of a terrorist group that planned and executed many terror attacks in which thousands of Palestinian civilians were murdered in violation of Article 51(3) of Additional Protocol I, protecting them when they are not involved direct part in hostilities; absent a clear "military advantage." And, Begin received the Peace Prize notwithstanding his intentional malfeasance of locating of paramilitary objectives inside densely populated Christian and Muslim villages Areas, intentionally murdering civilians to induce terror in the civilian populace promoting the departure of the remaining civilians to achieve ethnic cleansing.

"Thousands of Palestinian civilians murdered by Begin"?! Jayzus, your lies get worse and worse with each progressive post. Time to retool the antisemtic propaganda machine.

Begin was the leader of the Irgun. How many Palestinian civilians and British do you figure Irgun killed?

How many do you suppose were armed and looking to murder "the enemy"

From Wikipedia's list of Irgun attacks:
20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate.
10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa.
2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa.
14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall

Sounds like common old terrorism to me.

So what were the reasons for these attacks then, and if they happened between 1939 and 1947 they will have been in response to the British mass murders of Jews trying to migrate to palestine

What rational reason can you give for a terrorist bombing in a crowded civilian market place?

Think carefully Phoenall, because once you start to rationalize it, then you are giving the same rationalizations to Hamas.

 

[Phoenall]

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

By who, Monty ?

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

There's a big difference between the assailant and the assailed

Ergo offering a prize to a terrorist is like offering a prize to Hitler

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

Ask team Palestine the same questions and get ready for the deathly silence.


Ask how firing a weapon packed with rat poison into a schoolyard is defending yourself ?


The whole Nobel peace prize was shown to be a farce when Obama was given it for tying his shoes

 

[Coyote]

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

By who, Monty ?

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

There's a big difference between the assailant and the assailed

Ergo offering a prize to a terrorist is like offering a prize to Hitler

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

Ask team Palestine the same questions and get ready for the deathly silence.

Huh? I answered.

Ask how firing a weapon packed with rat poison into a schoolyard is defending yourself ?

Who said it was? Not I. You're the one trying to make mass attacks on civilians "self defense".

The whole Nobel peace prize was shown to be a farce when Obama was given it for tying his shoes

I agree, it has been a farce in some cases - but I think in other cases is has been well deserved, for instance Mandella.

 

[Phoenall]

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

Yes under any civilised nations laws that is the case, otherwise I could accuse you of raping and murdering children and you would be stigmatised for the rest of your life.

Not at all the authorities are waiting until they are in a position to arrest the criminals and then they will be tried. Does not mean they have not committed the crimes at all. In the case of Begin he could have been arrested and tried many times and the British did nothing. Could it be they had something to hide from the world, like the mass murder of 10's of 1000's of Jews fleeing Europe and the Nazi's ?

 

[Coyote]

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

Yes under any civilised nations laws that is the case, otherwise I could accuse you of raping and murdering children and you would be stigmatised for the rest of your life.

True.

Not at all the authorities are waiting until they are in a position to arrest the criminals and then they will be tried. Does not mean they have not committed the crimes at all. In the case of Begin he could have been arrested and tried many times and the British did nothing. Could it be they had something to hide from the world, like the mass murder of 10's of 1000's of Jews fleeing Europe and the Nazi's ?

He was never captured. That does not mean he wasn't guilty. Just like ISIS. Just like Hamas. He was the commander of Irgun and as a result, responsible for ordering what they did - just like a Hamas commander. If the British mass murdered Jews, that doesn't make Begin's actions any less horrific nor does it justify them. They are civilian targets.

 

[Phoenall]

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

By who, Monty ?

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

There's a big difference between the assailant and the assailed

Ergo offering a prize to a terrorist is like offering a prize to Hitler

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

Ask team Palestine the same questions and get ready for the deathly silence.

Huh? I answered.

Ask how firing a weapon packed with rat poison into a schoolyard is defending yourself ?

Who said it was? Not I. You're the one trying to make mass attacks on civilians "self defense".

The whole Nobel peace prize was shown to be a farce when Obama was given it for tying his shoes

I agree, it has been a farce in some cases - but I think in other cases is has been well deserved, for instance Mandella.

No I asked the question WHY THESE ACTS WERE DONE and you have skirted that issue.

As for mandella he was still orchestrating mass murders of blacks while he was in prison, if anyone deserved to be executed it was him and his wife Winnie. Do you know he ordered the necklacing of more black South Africans than the Boers shot while in power

 

[Roudy]

Fry him.

He's a convicted terrorist with no redeeming qualities, He's doing five life sentences with no chance of parole.

Save all that space and money and just fry him.

Would you have fried Begin? Mandella?

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

On This Day: Nelson Mandela Sentenced to Life in Prison

On This Day: Nelson Mandela Sentenced to Life in Prison

Speaking of baseless we have this clown trying to equate Mandela to some terrorist convicted of murdering civilians

The false equivalency is glaring ;--)

Well Mandela agrees with me. There is no false equivalency. You should really do some research before you post, as you always look the fool.

No thanks. I'll take what Martin Luther King Jr. Thought of Israel:

 

[Phoenall]

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

Yes under any civilised nations laws that is the case, otherwise I could accuse you of raping and murdering children and you would be stigmatised for the rest of your life.

True.

Not at all the authorities are waiting until they are in a position to arrest the criminals and then they will be tried. Does not mean they have not committed the crimes at all. In the case of Begin he could have been arrested and tried many times and the British did nothing. Could it be they had something to hide from the world, like the mass murder of 10's of 1000's of Jews fleeing Europe and the Nazi's ?

He was never captured. That does not mean he wasn't guilty. Just like ISIS. Just like Hamas. He was the commander of Irgun and as a result, responsible for ordering what they did - just like a Hamas commander. If the British mass murdered Jews, that doesn't make Begin's actions any less horrific nor does it justify them. They are civilian targets.

He was never targeted for arrest, like the mufti was never targeted because they would spill some beans the British would not be able to live with so were left alone.

Like a certain politician was not arrested for buying child porn from America when he was caught in a joint FBI/CIA sting. It allowed the US to force the UK into the Gulf war

 

[Coyote]

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

By who, Monty ?

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

There's a big difference between the assailant and the assailed

Ergo offering a prize to a terrorist is like offering a prize to Hitler

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

Ask team Palestine the same questions and get ready for the deathly silence.

Huh? I answered.

Ask how firing a weapon packed with rat poison into a schoolyard is defending yourself ?

Who said it was? Not I. You're the one trying to make mass attacks on civilians "self defense".

The whole Nobel peace prize was shown to be a farce when Obama was given it for tying his shoes

I agree, it has been a farce in some cases - but I think in other cases is has been well deserved, for instance Mandella.

No I asked the question WHY THESE ACTS WERE DONE and you have skirted that issue.

I've skirted nothing.

Does the "WHY" matter when the target is a civilian target like a crowded market place or a cinema? Like most cases of terrorism the "WHY" is to produce terror in the targeted population.

Are you trying to justify this?

As for mandella he was still orchestrating mass murders of blacks while he was in prison, if anyone deserved to be executed it was him and his wife Winnie. Do you know he ordered the necklacing of more black South Africans than the Boers shot while in power

Killing civilians is killing civilians. I just find it interesting that you are trying to justify one and condemn the other.

In either case - both Begin and Mandella went on to promote peace and reconciliation and achieved it and that is what makes it worthy of a Peace Prize.

 

[Coyote]

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

What crimes did Begin commit then, and only those he was arrested for count. Anything else is just hearsay and conjecture.

Mandella was arrested and tried for his crimes which included murder and terrorism, he refused to denounce his terrorism so should have hung for it.

- ok, so you are claiming only those arrested and prosecuted committed crimes? Seriously? Begin was a commander of Irgun, a terrorist paramilitary group. Their actions like those of Hamas, are a matter of record particularly when they claimed credit.

ISIS has committed many atrocities and murders. Few, if any, of their commanders have been brought to justice. Therefore, according to your logic, ISIS hasn't committed those crimes. Really now?

Neither Begin nor Mandella renounced the use of violence.

Yes under any civilised nations laws that is the case, otherwise I could accuse you of raping and murdering children and you would be stigmatised for the rest of your life.

True.

Not at all the authorities are waiting until they are in a position to arrest the criminals and then they will be tried. Does not mean they have not committed the crimes at all. In the case of Begin he could have been arrested and tried many times and the British did nothing. Could it be they had something to hide from the world, like the mass murder of 10's of 1000's of Jews fleeing Europe and the Nazi's ?

He was never captured. That does not mean he wasn't guilty. Just like ISIS. Just like Hamas. He was the commander of Irgun and as a result, responsible for ordering what they did - just like a Hamas commander. If the British mass murdered Jews, that doesn't make Begin's actions any less horrific nor does it justify them. They are civilian targets.

He was never targeted for arrest, like the mufti was never targeted because they would spill some beans the British would not be able to live with so were left alone.

Like a certain politician was not arrested for buying child porn from America when he was caught in a joint FBI/CIA sting. It allowed the US to force the UK into the Gulf war

That doesn't negate what he did though, just like it doesn't negate the mufti's actions.

 

[Shusha]

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

Its not. No matter who does it.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Does anybody notice how these vile things never ask the question "Why shouldn't Charles Manson be nominated for the peace prize?" and then proceed to offer reams of sophistry towards that end?

The fact the Jews are the targets legitimizes the killers in the black hearts of these evil creatures.

 

[Boston1]

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

Neither Begin nor Mandella were serving five life sentences for murdering civilians

Begin was never caught and prosecuted for his crimes. Does that mean his murders deserve a free pass?

In other words the claims he committed any crimes at all are baseless ;--)

Not at all. They are historically documented. Stop pretending.

By who, Monty ?

Monty?

By the British and by Irgun claiming responsibility.

And define crime. How is defending ones self a crime. You are conveniently forgetting that it was the Arab Muslims that were continually attacking Jewish people in the first place.

How is bombing a crowded civilian market place "defending oneself"?

There's a big difference between the assailant and the assailed

Ergo offering a prize to a terrorist is like offering a prize to Hitler

It was offered to Begin and Mandella

And, unlike them - Hitler never redeemed himself in the slightest.

And neither has ole Marwan

Speaking of Marwan. Name brings back memories, its the name of my best friend in highschool who didn't make it to college