Zone1 Noah's Ark

[surada]

I think that a billion years per Biblical day would make for a better argument

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night: and the evening and the morning were the first day."

Genesis 1:5

 

[BreezeWood]

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night: and the evening and the morning were the first day."

Genesis 1:5

certain errors though harmless ...

primordial earth, illustrate their narrative is their own and not the heavens.

The ancient tellers knew what they were doing. They didn't intend for the Old Testament to be science and history.

It's a creation myth for Bronze Age people. It's fiction.

their error's then obscure what truly is a heavenly event - passed down for 100k's years - the true heavenly event of retribution against humanity ... and after all that time was inverted w/ the crucifixion of jesus that began the new era where the evil again prevailed over good - and surada's flippant misunderstanding of the true parable itself distorted by the desert religions.

 

[surada]

certain errors though harmless ...

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primordial earth, illustrate their narrative is their own and not the heavens.

their error's then obscure what truly is a heavenly event - passed down for 100k's years - the true heavenly event of retribution against humanity ... and after all that time was inverted w/ the crucifixion of jesus that began the new era where the evil again prevailed over good - and surada's flippant misunderstanding of the true parable itself distorted by the desert religions.

The flood is a myth borrowed from Sumer.

 

[BreezeWood]

The flood is a myth borrowed from Sumer.

that's your claim - sumer did not record a true event passed down for generations for perhaps 100k's years past -

where in your chronicle do they claim they made up the heavenly retribution, why would they and not know the intended conclusion as do the paradisians as jesus - the rendering for the final judgement of all humanity.

what exactly constitutes your religion, being entirely madeup ... you are a deist.

kid yourself not the deist understand the parable, its value and timely conclusion.

 

[surada]

that's your claim - sumer did not record a true event passed down for generations for perhaps 100k's years past -

where in your chronicle do they claim they made up the heavenly retribution, why would they and not know the intended conclusion as do the paradisians as jesus - the rendering for the final judgement of all humanity.

what exactly constitutes your religion, being entirely madeup ... you are a deist.

kid yourself not the deist understand the parable, its value and timely conclusion.

Yes, they recorded a four day flood of the Euphrates River Basin in 2900 BC. There's also flood sediment.

 

[onefour1]

Except it says in the morning and the evening.

The Guide for the Perplexed - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Well, if the sun, moon and stars weren't created until the 4th day of creation, what light did they use to reckon days 1-3?

Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Genesis 1:5, 8, 13
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

God created the sun, moon and stars on the 4th day but that doesn't mean that He began using them to reckon the days of creation right after creating them. He obviously used another source of light on days 1-3 before creating the sun, moon and stars. He could have continued using that light throughout the creation periods.

Abraham 5:13
13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Obviously the Noah myth is false. The only reason it is still on life support is because religion gets a pas.

 

[Ace Nova]

certain errors though harmless ...

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primordial earth, illustrate their narrative is their own and not the heavens.





their error's then obscure what truly is a heavenly event - passed down for 100k's years - the true heavenly event of retribution against humanity ... and after all that time was inverted w/ the crucifixion of jesus that began the new era where the evil again prevailed over good - and surada's flippant misunderstanding of the true parable itself distorted by the desert religions.

By your own account, "nothing has ever been sent from the heavens to Earth - no Prophets, no messengers, no instruction, etc"

So how (or why) would there be a "heavenly event of retribution against humanity"?

(I don't necessarily believe that - just asking an honest question).

 

[surada]

Well, if the sun, moon and stars weren't created until the 4th day of creation, what light did they use to reckon days 1-3?

Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Genesis 1:5, 8, 13
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

God created the sun, moon and stars on the 4th day but that doesn't mean that He began using them to reckon the days of creation right after creating them. He obviously used another source of light on days 1-3 before creating the sun, moon and stars. He could have continued using that light throughout the creation periods.

Abraham 5:13
13 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning.

Didn't Joseph Smith write Abraham 5:13?

 

[surada]

How the Book of Abraham Exposes the False Nature of Mormonism | Cold Case Christianity

By taking an evidential approach to Christian and Mormon scripture, I confirmed the veracity of Christianity and guarded myself from the falsity of Mormonism

coldcasechristianity.com

The document is not the writing of Abraham in Egypt, but is instead the opening portion of an Egyptian Shait en Sensen, or Book of Breathing, a late funerary text derived from the earlier and more complex Book of the Dead.

This particular scroll was examined by experts (including Mormon experts who agreed with the findings) and after analyzing handwriting, spelling, content, and other contextual issues, they determined the papyri were written sometime during the Late Ptolemaic or Early Roman Period (circa 50 B.C. to A.D. 50). This is problematic for Mormons, however, for if the papyri are only about 2,000 years old, they are far too new to have been “written on by the hand of Abraham

 

[onefour1]

Didn't Joseph Smith write Abraham 5:13?

The Book of Abraham comes from papyri that were acquire by the church which Joseph Smith translated.

 

[onefour1]

How the Book of Abraham Exposes the False Nature of Mormonism | Cold Case Christianity

By taking an evidential approach to Christian and Mormon scripture, I confirmed the veracity of Christianity and guarded myself from the falsity of Mormonism

coldcasechristianity.com

The document is not the writing of Abraham in Egypt, but is instead the opening portion of an Egyptian Shait en Sensen, or Book of Breathing, a late funerary text derived from the earlier and more complex Book of the Dead.

This particular scroll was examined by experts (including Mormon experts who agreed with the findings) and after analyzing handwriting, spelling, content, and other contextual issues, they determined the papyri were written sometime during the Late Ptolemaic or Early Roman Period (circa 50 B.C. to A.D. 50). This is problematic for Mormons, however, for if the papyri are only about 2,000 years old, they are far too new to have been “written on by the hand of Abraham

That is the anti-Mormon view. A thorough study of church history shows that Joseph Smith had in his possession many papyri which included the Book of the Dead along with much larger rolls of scrolls that included the Book of Abraham and the Book of Joseph. The history speaks of of much larger scrolls than the small fragments that anti-Mormons tend to want to pass off as the source of the Book of Abraham. The scrolls from which the Book of Abraham were taken are believed to have been burned in the Chicago fire of 1871. For a detailed account of the Church's stance on the Book of Abraham, I point you to the following article on our church's website:

Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham

 

[surada]

The Book of Abraham comes from papyri that were acquire by the church which Joseph Smith translated.

Lolol it's a hoax.

 

[rylah]

What does Genesis say about the ice age?

Same Genesis describing the days of creation,
tells of humanity surviving a global flood,
lasting 40 days and nights.

How long was the ice age?

 

[surada]

Same Genesis describing the days of creation,
tells of humanity surviving a global flood,
lasting 40 days and nights.

How long was the ice age?

I'm guessing 10,000 years. The retreat of the glaciers took thousands of years.

 

[surada]

rylah

I sure got that wrong.

 

[surada]

Striking during the time period known as the Pleistocene Epoch, this ice age started about 2.6 million years ago and lasted until roughly 11,000 years ago.Feb 18, 2021
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What's the coldest the Earth's ever been? | NOAA Climate.gov

 

[BreezeWood]

By your own account, "nothing has ever been sent from the heavens to Earth - no Prophets, no messengers, no instruction, etc"

So how (or why) would there be a "heavenly event of retribution against humanity"?

(I don't necessarily believe that - just asking an honest question).

their error's then obscure what truly is a heavenly event - passed down for 100k's years - the true heavenly event of retribution against humanity ...

those that claim their belief from a book -sumer is the same as what's in another book do so without the liest amount of verifiable proof - that one is a copy of the other.

or that both stories were spoken separately to be recorded in text would more prove the authenticity of an actual heavenly event - simply corrupted similarly by the authors of the two different documents than what is known today by most that have never read either book - the event did occur.

the location of the true event is not revealed as not having a geographic location to chose from at that time is the test of authenticity - the conclusion made by the doubter ...

Euphrates River Basin in 2900 BC

proves their claim to be indisputably in error.

 

[rylah]

I'm guessing 10,000 years. The retreat of the glaciers took thousands of years.

Overall about 40,000 years.

When are the earliest Vedas dated?

Timeline of glaciation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ace Nova]

those that claim their belief from a book -sumer is the same as what's in another book do so without the liest amount of verifiable proof - that one is a copy of the other.

or that both stories were spoken separately to be recorded in text would more prove the authenticity of an actual heavenly event - simply corrupted similarly by the authors of the two different documents than what is known today by most that have never read either book - the event did occur.

the location of the true event is not revealed as not having a geographic location to chose from is the test of authenticity - the conclusion made by the doubter ...



proves their claim to be indisputably in error.

I understand those aspects - and that's your opinion.

What I don't understand is that you have repeatedly stated that the heavens have nothing to do with anything on Earth involving communication with mankind, instruction for mankind, Prophets, messengers sent, etc. - if that's the case, how would their first "act" or "communication" with mankind involve retribution and retribution in the form of a near extinction event? Retribution for what?