No Wonder Libs Are Upset - The Surge Is Working

[maineman]

Given how you daily push for surredner - is that your way of showing support and wishing them luck?

quit spinning and address the points made in #1113. The content of my emails to friends and sons and daughters of friends in Maine National Guard units deployed to Iraq is my business, but I can assure you that they are well received as are the phone cards and care packages they get routinely from my place of business and my church.

now....post #1113. address it or run away. your choice.

 

[red states rule]

quit spinning and address the points made in #1113. The content of my emails to friends and sons and daughters of friends in Maine National Guard units deployed to Iraq is my business, but I can assure you that they are well received as are the phone cards and care packages they get routinely from my place of business and my church.

now....post #1113. address it or run away. your choice.

Have you told them you support the Dems surrender bill and the US losing in Iraq?

 

[maineman]

quit spinning and address the points made in #1113. The content of my emails to friends and sons and daughters of friends in Maine National Guard units deployed to Iraq is my business, but I can assure you that they are well received as are the phone cards and care packages they get routinely from my place of business and my church.

now....post #1113. address it or run away. your choice.

what part of that did you NOT understand the first time I typed it? Now, quit spinning and bullshitting and answer my post #1113.

 

[red states rule]

what part of that did you NOT understand the first time I typed it? Now, quit spinning and bullshitting and answer my post #1113.

Your non answer is telling

 

[maineman]

speaking of "non-answers", quit spinning and bullshitting and answer my post #1113

 

[red states rule]

speaking of "non-answers", quit spinning and bullshitting and answer my post #1113

Have you sent white flags to the troops in your CARE packages yet. If you need more, contact your local Dem office

 

[maineman]

post #1113.

answer it or run away.

 

[red states rule]

post #1113.

answer it or run away.

Out of white flags, eh?

 

[Annie]

Maybe this will help bring some perspective? Much of what he's written in the past 2 years has echoed much of what Maineman has written. At the same time, there have been changes for many of them appear to be the better. The ongoing violence is addressed:

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/be-not-afraid.htm

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Political solutions only work with people interested in a resolution where all parties can move forward. Al Qaeda is more interested in an outcome where they dominate through anachronistic anarchy. Our philosophies are so fundamentally different that fighting is inevitable. They want to go backwards and are willing to kill us to do so. We are unwilling to go backwards, and so they started killing us. Finally, we started killing back, but only seriously so after they rammed jets into our buildings, by which they hoped to cause the same chaos and collapse in America (where they failed) that they are fomenting in Iraq (where they are succeeding).

The doctor has made a decision: Al Qaeda must be excised. That means a large scale attack, and what appears to be the most widespread combat operations since the end of the ground war are now unfolding. A small part of that larger battle will be the Battle for Baquba. For those involved, it will be a very large battle, but in context, it will be only one of numerous similar battles now unfolding. Just as this sentence was written, we began dropping bombs south of Baghdad and our troops are in contact.

Northeast of Baghdad, innocent civilians are being asked to leave Baquba. More than 1,000 AQI fighters are there, with perhaps another thousand adjuncts. Baquba alone might be as intense as Operation Phantom Fury in Fallujah in late 2004. They are ready for us. Giant bombs are buried in the roads. Snipers—real snipers—have chiseled holes in walls so that they can shoot not from roofs or windows, but from deep inside buildings, where we cannot see the flash or hear the shots. They will shoot for our faces and necks. Car bombs are already assembled. Suicide vests are prepared.

The enemy will try to herd us into their traps, and likely many of us will be killed before it ends. Already, they have been blowing up bridges, apparently to restrict our movements. Entire buildings are rigged with explosives. They have rockets, mortars, and bombs hidden in places they know we are likely to cross, or places we might seek cover. They will use human shields and force people to drive bombs at us. They will use cameras and make it look like we are ravaging the city and that they are defeating us. By the time you read this, we will be inside Baquba, and we will be killing them. No secrets are spilling here.

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[red states rule]

Maybe this will help bring some perspective? Much of what he's written in the past 2 years has echoed much of what Maineman has written. At the same time, there have been changes for many of them appear to be the better. The ongoing violence is addressed:

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/be-not-afraid.htm

The US is mounting a major offensive - perhaps they are finally taking the handcuffs off the troops and tunring them loose

I hop so

 

[Annie]

The US is mounting a major offensive - perhaps they are finally taking the handcuffs off the troops and tunring them loose

I hop so

You didn't read all of that, c'mon.

 

[maineman]

Kathianne:

I wish them all the success in the world. you know that.

 

[maineman]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/19/iraq.main/index.html

and then, shit like this happens right in Baghdad which begs the question: how can anyone really say the "surge is working" when the carnage goes on unabated?

 

[red states rule]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/19/iraq.main/index.html

and then, shit like this happens right in Baghdad which begs the question: how can anyone really say the "surge is working" when the carnage goes on unabated?

We must be doing something right

They are trying to come here

http://www.usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=49117

 

[Annie]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/19/iraq.main/index.html

and then, shit like this happens right in Baghdad which begs the question: how can anyone really say the "surge is working" when the carnage goes on unabated?

Once again I'll admit to being mostly ignorant on military strategy, though I do know a bit of history. When the 'enemy' is reduced to attacking those that might have been a support to them, something is going better? It seems that even the 'civil war' has failed the insurgents in the sense that rather than temporarily joining together to get rid of the 'occupiers' there seems to be a growing body, at least in some areas, where the sunnis and shi'a are actually turning on AQI?

 

[maineman]

Yon's comments about Petraeus are quite heartening!

Let's all pray for his success.

 

[red states rule]

Once again I'll admit to being mostly ignorant on military strategy, though I do know a bit of history. When the 'enemy' is reduced to attacking those that might have been a support to them, something is going better? It seems that even the 'civil war' has failed the insurgents in the sense that rather than temporarily joining together to get rid of the 'occupiers' there seems to be a growing body, at least in some areas, where the sunnis and shi'a are actually turning on AQI?

Things are not going well for the terrorists. They are lashing out in different directions and sending more suicide bombers

 

[maineman]

Once again I'll admit to being mostly ignorant on military strategy, though I do know a bit of history. When the 'enemy' is reduced to attacking those that might have been a support to them, something is going better? It seems that even the 'civil war' has failed the insurgents in the sense that rather than temporarily joining together to get rid of the 'occupiers' there seems to be a growing body, at least in some areas, where the sunnis and shi'a are actually turning on AQI?

I agree that sunnis are turning on AQ, and that is good news for America. I also think that shiites are still viewing Iraqi and AQ sunnis as sunnis and enemies and Americans as enemies. We may be arming the sunnis insurgents in their fight against AQ, but why do we think that those munitions will not later be used on us and on the shiites? What did we think that AQ was going to do with the munitions and training we gave them when they were fighting the soviets in afghanistan?

 

[Annie]

I agree that sunnis are turning on AQ, and that is good news for America. I also think that shiites are still viewing Iraqi and AQ sunnis as sunnis and enemies and Americans as enemies. We may be arming the sunnis insurgents in their fight against AQ, but why do we think that those munitions will not later be used on us and on the shiites? What did we think that AQ was going to do with the munitions and training we gave them when they were fighting the soviets in afghanistan?

I agree about the arms, I'm not sure how that can be avoided. In an earlier time, "Kosovo" I was for arming the Muslims to defend themselves, but before we sent our own troops there. Most definitely a mistake in the long run, we've done before.

On the other hand, if we are to get out of there eventually, a force needs to be there. No simple answers here.

 

[maineman]

I agree about the arms, I'm not sure how that can be avoided. In an earlier time, "Kosovo" I was for arming the Muslims to defend themselves, but before we sent our own troops there. Most definitely a mistake in the long run, we've done before.

On the other hand, if we are to get out of there eventually, a force needs to be there. No simple answers here.

absolutely.... we are trying to solve this problem while in a fog of war and a fog of ignorance about the players and the enmity that swirls around them - and us.