PeterPilot
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Gawd, you sound like Blinken or Pelosi!
No U.S. Navy Aircraft Carriers Deployed in the Pacific
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Admiral Rockwell Tory
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How so? What did I say that was not true. Those two are notorious liars!
PeterPilot
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When one repeats the lies and falsehoods and rationalizations of notorious liars, one facilitates the telling of notorious lies.
Baker and Reagan and the rest may have intended to honor their verbal commitment to Gorbachev regarding eastward expansion of NATO, to give them the benefit of the doubt, but NATO very did expand in the ensuing years. NATO very much has encroached on Russian borders.
In those ensuing years Russia has tried many times to find a diplomatic solution to the problem but the US and NATO were not interested at all in diplomatic solutions. We prefer military aggression. Check out Oliver Stone's "Ukraine On Fire" documentary if you dare to inform yourself.
In the meantime, you sound like any other government mouthpiece, Blinken, Nuland, Clinton, McCain, Obama and the rest.
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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So you can't disagree with the facts, so you continue your meaning less rant. When Reagan was president, what was the state of the Warsaw Pact? It ended in 1991, during GHWB's administration. How was NATO encroaching on Russia's border? The closest troops were in West Germany.
Do you have any concept of history? I lived it. So did you. In 1986, my ship sailed around in the Black Sea for a few weeks, doing surveillance on the Soviet Union's Black Sea Fleet. Wouldn't that have violated that agreement?
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What do you want Admiral, you want me to cry you a river? Change the subject Admiral, that's what you're doing. You started out talking in defense of NATO's lies and military aggression, now you want to talk about sailing around the Black Sea for a few weeks. And you're apparently not honest enough to view Ukraine On Fire.
Did you move from the Black Sea to the Pentagon?
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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No, I moved to the Red Sea during the war. Where were you? Hiding in your mother's basement?What do you want Admiral, you want me to cry you a river? Change the subject Admiral, that's what you're doing. You started out talking in defense of NATO's lies and military aggression, now you want to talk about sailing around the Black Sea for a few weeks. And you're apparently not honest enough to view Ukraine On Fire.
Did you move from the Black Sea to the Pentagon?
There was no NATO aggression against Russia in Reagan's time because the USSR still existed. What part of that fact do you not understand? You are simply wrong.
When Poland joined NATO, we started making troop deployments there in response to Russia's incursion into Ukraine the FIRST time. That's not aggression, but defense.
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Admiral Rockwell Tory
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That's a Chinese submarine. Why would a Virginia-class SSN be at a Trident Refit Facility which is a covered facility not prictured?
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frigidweirdo
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Yeah, who wants to die for something that has nothing to do with them?
Deadstick
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They won't watch that Stone documentary they are too scared what they may find out. Another one they won't watch is weight of chains the destruction of Yugoslavia.
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I think you have nailed it
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On December 7th 1941, there were just two aircraft carriers operating in the Pacific, the USS Lexington and USS Enterprise.
They were all too far away to assist in the defense of the air attack on Pearl Harbor.
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No U.S. Navy Aircraft Carriers Deployed in the Pacific
The deployment of the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) from 7th Fleet to 5th Fleet has left the United States with no deployed carriers in the Pacific Ocean, at a time when they are needed most.25 Aug 2024 ~~ By Carter Johnston
No U.S. Navy Aircraft Carriers Deployed in the Pacific - Naval News
The U.S. Navy is facing a shortfall of deployed carriers in the Pacific as the buildup in the Middle East continues. The lack of carriers has left a critical gap in the West Pacific. The departure of USS Abraham Lincoln coincides with the change in homeport of USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) from...www.navalnews.com
The U.S. Navy is facing a shortfall of deployed carriers in the Pacific as the buildup in the Middle East continues. The lack of carriers has left a critical gap in the West Pacific.
The departure of USS Abraham Lincoln coincides with the change in homeport of USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) from Yokosuka, Japan to Bremerton, Washington. The Ronald Reagan‘s replacement, the USS George Washington (CVN 73) still in San Diego on a scheduled port visit.
The U.S. Navy’s other Pacific-based carriers are in port or in their maintenance availability period. Out of six carriers in the Pacific, the USS Carl Vinson recently participated in RIMPAC 2024, the USS Nimitz recently completed a six month planned incremental availability period for maintenance, the USS Ronald Reagan recently completed a homeport shift to Naval Base Kitsap, and the USS George Washington will remain in San Diego until the crew and equipment swap from USS Ronald Reagan is complete.
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Joe’s parting gift to the Chinese.
Taiwan will be conquered in less than one day, if China now chooses.
What's to worry? We now have fewer carriers than we had deployed in the Pacific in December 1941 and nothing bad happened...
The American nuclear sub fleet in the Pacific can easily handle the Chinese navy.
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Mushroom
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Slight correction. There was also the USS Saratoga (CV-3). It was off the cost of San Diego, after finishing a ten month stay in the shipyard for refit, modernization, and upgrades. The ship had just completed sea trials, and was literally pulling into the port to embark their carrier group, as well as 14 F2A-3 Buffalo fighters for delivery to Hawaii. So that actually makes three, with the other two either en route to delivering fighters to our other bases (Lexington was on the way to Midway), or returning from making fighter deliveries (Enterprise was returning from Wake).
But in any case, none of the carriers would have been "at" Pearl Harbor in the first place. In the six months prior to the attack, they were busy doing their primary peacetime job of transferring fighters from the US to US islands overseas. None of them were spending more than a few days in port. Just enough to give the crew some time off, do maintenance, resupply, and load on more aircraft before leaving for their next ferry mission.
The next planned missions if the attack had not happened would have seen more fighters sent to the Philippines, Samoa, and Guam.
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The carriers, if they had been in port, would have been sunk.
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There is no expansion.
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No U.S. Navy Aircraft Carriers Deployed in the Pacific
The deployment of the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) from 7th Fleet to 5th Fleet has left the United States with no deployed carriers in the Pacific Ocean, at a time when they are needed most.25 Aug 2024 ~~ By Carter JohnstonNo U.S. Navy Aircraft Carriers Deployed in the Pacific - Naval News
The U.S. Navy is facing a shortfall of deployed carriers in the Pacific as the buildup in the Middle East continues. The lack of carriers has left a critical gap in the West Pacific. The departure of USS Abraham Lincoln coincides with the change in homeport of USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) from...
The U.S. Navy is facing a shortfall of deployed carriers in the Pacific as the buildup in the Middle East continues. The lack of carriers has left a critical gap in the West Pacific.
The departure of USS Abraham Lincoln coincides with the change in homeport of USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) from Yokosuka, Japan to Bremerton, Washington. The Ronald Reagan‘s replacement, the USS George Washington (CVN 73) still in San Diego on a scheduled port visit.
The U.S. Navy’s other Pacific-based carriers are in port or in their maintenance availability period. Out of six carriers in the Pacific, the USS Carl Vinson recently participated in RIMPAC 2024, the USS Nimitz recently completed a six month planned incremental availability period for maintenance, the USS Ronald Reagan recently completed a homeport shift to Naval Base Kitsap, and the USS George Washington will remain in San Diego until the crew and equipment swap from USS Ronald Reagan is complete.
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Joe’s parting gift to the Chinese.
Taiwan will be conquered in less than one day, if China now chooses.
What's to worry? We now have fewer carriers than we had deployed in the Pacific in December 1941 and nothing bad happened...
The U.S. trolling the waters off of China is, and always has been, a bad idea.
I find it amusing that we bemoan not having enough personnel to continually exert a false dominance that we no longer even possess. Send your own children and grandchildren to die in another war of U.S. aggression, I think most people have seen enough Iraq's, Afghanistan's and Vietnam's to last a while.
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