No Truth in Socialism: Why the 'Crisis of Marxism' Matters

[Senter]

Socialism and communism is where people decide to pool their resource to create their own means of production.
The difference between socialism and communism is that with socialism you allow capitalists to also try to create their own means of production, and with communism, there is less capitalism allowed.

LOL!!!!! ARE YOU SHITTING ME?!!!!! LOL!!!!!! "WITH SOCIALISM YOU ALLOW CAPITALISTS TO ALSO TRY TO CREATE THEIR OWN MEANS OF PRODUCTION" (!!!!!!)

Have you ever heard of "the dicatorship of the proletariat"? and have you ANY idea what it means? LOL!!!!!

Worse that that, you say communist classless society is class society!!!!!!

I TOLD YOU that you righties don't know shit about this.

 

[Rigby5]

The USSR was absolutely a communist country run byu communist ideology.

Few ictators are capitalists at especially since communist governnent is by definition a dictatorship and capitalism is no where near as old as dictators.

Capitalism did not cause sllavery. Slavery was also around long before capitalism and it is capitlists who ended slavery.

Communism by comparison is an ideology of universal slavery and tyranny']


You are wrong and proven so as always

Was the USSR collective, cooperative, and communal?
No.
So it could not possibly have been communist.

Capitalism is ancient, and is simply the profit motive.
Greed is capitalism.
And all dictator act only on greed, so are all capitalists.
Going back to Nero, Caligula, Genghis Kahn, Atilla the Hun, etc., they were all capitalists, profit motivated.

While we do not let capitalists steal, rape, pillage, or plunder, all capitalists would if you let them.
Using force is a lot cheaper than trying to make and sell a product.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Was the USSR collective, cooperative, and communal?
No.
So it could not possibly have been communist.

Capitalism is ancient, and is simply the profit motive.
Greed is capitalism.
And all dictator act only on greed, so are all capitalists.
Going back to Nero, Caligula, Genghis Kahn, Atilla the Hun, etc., they were all capitalists, profit motivated.

While we do not let capitalists steal, rape, pillage, or plunder, all capitalists would if you let them.
Using force is a lot cheaper than trying to make and sell a produc

One more time moron.

Communism is NOT about coopertives or communal living.

Communism is by design and definition about tyranny and slavery.

Capitalism is not ancient and much more than profit motive.

Those ancients were not capitlists.

 

[jc456]

I don't need a lesson on socialism from the American Thinker.

1. Don't you think everyone should have a good paying job?
2. Don't you think everyone should have clean water and clean air?
3. Don't you think everyone should have outstanding healthcare?

I don't need a for a American Thinker give me a refresher on communism. We have socialism for the runaway capitalism in the US,

Do you think businesses that don't pay any taxes are good for the US, that is socialism??

Don’t you think all people should work for their money?

 

[Senter]

Don’t you think all people should work for their money?

I don't. Do you think a paraplegic on life support should work to pay his way? How about someone with cancer? Someone who is 85 yrs old? A ten-year old?

 

[Rigby5]

Those are capitalist countries you ignorant FOOL

Wrong.
Socialism allows capitalism as well, but a capitalist country can't have any socialism, like public schools or public health care.
So Scandinavian countries are socialist.

 

[Rigby5]

LOL!!!!! ARE YOU SHITTING ME?!!!!! LOL!!!!!! "WITH SOCIALISM YOU ALLOW CAPITALISTS TO ALSO TRY TO CREATE THEIR OWN MEANS OF PRODUCTION" (!!!!!!)

Have you ever heard of "the dicatorship of the proletariat"? and have you ANY idea what it means? LOL!!!!!

Worse that that, you say communist classless society is class society!!!!!!

I TOLD YOU that you righties don't know shit about this.

The "dictatorship of the proletariat" is defined as the following:
{...
In Marxist philosophy, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a condition in which the proletariat holds state power. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the intermediate stage between a capitalist economy and a communist economy, whereby the post-revolutionary state seizes the means of production, compels the implementation of direct elections on behalf of and within the confines of the ruling proletarian state party, and instituting elected delegates into representative workers' councils that nationalise ownership of the means of production from private to collective ownership.
...}
First of all, note that the dictatorship of the proletariat is communism, not socialism, and is a democracy, because it "compels the implementation of direct elections".
A dictatorship of the proletariat means a democracy, and nothing else.

 

[Rigby5]

Don’t you think all people should work for their money?

No.
Children, invalids, etc., should be subsidized as necessary.

 

[elektra]

Since the USSR was not remotely communism, I paid little attention to it.

Yet, lenin and stalin both ran their government as marxist and the official name they gave that government was communism

and, when most of us refer to communism, we are speaking of the communists, the russians.

Yes, you paid little attention, just enough to read it, and comment on it.

 

[Senter]

The "dictatorship of the proletariat" is defined as the following:
{...
In Marxist philosophy, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a condition in which the proletariat holds state power. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the intermediate stage between a capitalist economy and a communist economy, whereby the post-revolutionary state seizes the means of production, compels the implementation of direct elections on behalf of and within the confines of the ruling proletarian state party, and instituting elected delegates into representative workers' councils that nationalise ownership of the means of production from private to collective ownership.
...}
First of all, note that the dictatorship of the proletariat is communism, not socialism, and is a democracy, because it "compels the implementation of direct elections".
A dictatorship of the proletariat means a democracy, and nothing else.

Wowzer. You are really CONFUSED! Show me exactly where and how it says the D. of the P. is "communism".

The dictatorship of the proletariat is the unyielding power of the proletariat OVER the capitalist class as the proletariat transforms society from remnants of capitalism, to worker-owned, worker-controlled socialism. The D of the P. is a dictatorship of one class over another, but communist society would be classless. So your "understanding" needs to go back to school.

 

[jc456]

No.
Children, invalids, etc., should be subsidized as necessary.

No, families and charities!

 

[Rigby5]

Yet, lenin and stalin both ran their government as marxist and the official name they gave that government was communism

and, when most of us refer to communism, we are speaking of the communists, the russians.

Yes, you paid little attention, just enough to read it, and comment on it.

Its called PR.
If you are a dictator, you don't say that.
Instead you say that you are the benevolent leader protecting everyone from some evil external threat.
In this case, the dictators in the US created the lie of the Bolshevik threat.
And the US was actively involved in ensuring Lenin and Stalin would be in charge in Russia, instead of any real communists.
But clearly Lenin and Stalin were pure capitalists.
They were profit motivated, and there was no equality of pay to all the others.
Communism requires equality, democracy, and decentralized sharing.
You can not use the word "communism" to mean anything else, like a wealthy, elite, polit bureau, all with resort homes.
That can NEVER be communism.

 

[elektra]

The USSR never shot people trying to escape, and anyone could leave at any time.

Liar, it is well documented, there are movies on the subject, hundreds of books.

 

[elektra]

Capitalism is what CAUSED slavery.

yet, slavery began thousands of years before capitalism existed?

 

[Rigby5]

Wowzer. You are really CONFUSED! Show me exactly where and how it says the D. of the P. is "communism".

The dictatorship of the proletariat is the unyielding power of the proletariat OVER the capitalist class as the proletariat transforms society from remnants of capitalism, to worker-owned, worker-controlled socialism. The D of the P. is a dictatorship of one class over another, but communist society would be classless. So your "understanding" needs to go back to school.

Wrong.
When you get rid of the dictators, then all you have left is the proletariat.
The word proletariat NEVER excludes anyone.
Whether or not you allow the proletariat to be capitalist if they want, like with socialism instead of communism, everyone is part of the proletariat.
The whole point of Marxism is the elimination of different classes.
Instead, ONLY one class exists, the proletariat.
The dictatorship of the proletariat means you have only one class.
No others.
And it is an absolute and perfect democracy.

 

[jc456]

I don't. Do you think a paraplegic on life support should work to pay his way? How about someone with cancer? Someone who is 85 yrs old? A ten-year old?

Wow, nice list. Most paraplegic people have families who take care of them, as well, many work. Buzzer.

someone with cancer? You’re nuts. Many cancer victims have jobs, hmmm strange you don’t know that. Others who don’t are taken care of by family. Buzzer

85 years old have nest eggs they made. Damn, strange again. Buzzer.

0 for three

 

[Rigby5]

Liar, it is well documented, there are movies on the subject, hundreds of books.

Sure there is lots of deliberate false propaganda.
But communism is ancient, as all primitive societies are always communist.
That is why all primitive societies hate use so much, in that we try to destroy their naturally communist ways, like the village collective rice paddies in Vietnam.

 

[Rigby5]

yet, slavery began thousands of years before capitalism existed?

Wrong.
Capitalism is ancient.
Goes back to the first thief.

 

[jc456]

yet, slavery began thousands of years before capitalism existed?

I thought monarchies used slaves! Emperors had slaves! Damn

 

[elektra]

Its called PR.
If you are a dictator, you don't say that.
Instead you say that you are the benevolent leader protecting everyone from some evil external threat.
In this case, the dictators in the US created the lie of the Bolshevik threat.
And the US was actively involved in ensuring Lenin and Stalin would be in charge in Russia, instead of any real communists.
But clearly Lenin and Stalin were pure capitalists.
They were profit motivated, and there was no equality of pay to all the others.
Communism requires equality, democracy, and decentralized sharing.
You can not use the word "communism" to mean anything else, like a wealthy, elite, polit bureau, all with resort homes.
That can NEVER be communism.

Communism never works, that is why there was no equality in the USSR

What we do have, as a result of the USSR is the Gulags and the millions killed, the tens of millions. All from people simply trying to live the communist, the marxist, dream, socialism.