No...Trump didn't break the law with Ukraine funds...so stop drooling, left wingers

[Billy_Kinetta]

The same reason the GOP controlled Senate passed the bill on Sept 26, 2019, because the money hadn't been released yet in spite of Tramp lying about it being released Sept 11, 2019.

Is that so? Why isn't the Pelosi circus making this part of their charges then?

You just are so stupid and uninformed.

The GAO had not made its ruling that Tramp violated the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 yet. However she did include in the evidence that members of Tramp's regime resigned over fears that Tramp's actions violated the Impoundment Act proving Tramp knew what he was doing was probably against the law.

Again, even if true, not a high crime of misdemeanor.

It IS true and it IS a misdemeanor.

 

[Muhammed]

What you are not comprehending is the FACT that president Trump is the ******* Commander in Chief. Therefore he is the ultimate legal authority regarding decisions, at any whim, to deny any arms sales or military assistance to any foreign power for any reason.

Except the Impoundment act REQUIRES him to report that "reason" to Congress FIRST, which he did not do! Thus he broke the law, PERIOD FULL STOP!

Bullshit. Congress cannot usurp Executive Authority. The Democrats can certainly pretend to try, but it isn't going to happen, *****. Their ridiculous partisan laughable dog and pony show witch hunt does not have the votes.

PERIOD FULL STOP.

P.S

Suck on that, ignorant scumbag.

The CONSTITUTION limits executive authority, the VERY purpose of the Constitution as the Right make a habit of reminding us!
Suck on that you American Constitution-hating Russian Troll!

What clause of the US constitution says that Donald Trump must allow military aid to Ukraine?

You cannot cite that clause because it simply does not exist, you ******* imbecile.

The Constitution says the president must follow the laws of the land, and Congress by law controls spending, which the Right habitually reminds us.

Congress also passed a law that says the president has the power to stop arms exports.

So **** off.

 

[edthecynic]

Except the Impoundment act REQUIRES him to report that "reason" to Congress FIRST, which he did not do! Thus he broke the law, PERIOD FULL STOP!

Bullshit. Congress cannot usurp Executive Authority. The Democrats can certainly pretend to try, but it isn't going to happen, *****. Their ridiculous partisan laughable dog and pony show witch hunt does not have the votes.

PERIOD FULL STOP.

P.S

Suck on that, ignorant scumbag.

The CONSTITUTION limits executive authority, the VERY purpose of the Constitution as the Right make a habit of reminding us!
Suck on that you American Constitution-hating Russian Troll!

What clause of the US constitution says that Donald Trump must allow military aid to Ukraine?

You cannot cite that clause because it simply does not exist, you ******* imbecile.

The Constitution says the president must follow the laws of the land, and Congress by law controls spending, which the Right habitually reminds us.

Congress also passed a law that says the president has the power to stop arms exports.

So **** off.

Except it was MONEY that was being blocked to Ukraine.

Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial
The GAO report said that the Office of Management and Budget cited “a policy reason” for withholding $214 million in funds appropriated by Congress to the Defense Department for security assistance to Ukraine.

So **** off

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Bullshit. Congress cannot usurp Executive Authority. The Democrats can certainly pretend to try, but it isn't going to happen, *****. Their ridiculous partisan laughable dog and pony show witch hunt does not have the votes.

PERIOD FULL STOP.

P.S

Suck on that, ignorant scumbag.

The CONSTITUTION limits executive authority, the VERY purpose of the Constitution as the Right make a habit of reminding us!
Suck on that you American Constitution-hating Russian Troll!

What clause of the US constitution says that Donald Trump must allow military aid to Ukraine?

You cannot cite that clause because it simply does not exist, you ******* imbecile.

The Constitution says the president must follow the laws of the land, and Congress by law controls spending, which the Right habitually reminds us.

Congress also passed a law that says the president has the power to stop arms exports.

So **** off.

Except it was MONEY that was being blocked to Ukraine.

Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial
The GAO report said that the Office of Management and Budget cited “a policy reason” for withholding $214 million in funds appropriated by Congress to the Defense Department for security assistance to Ukraine.

So **** off

 

[Muhammed]

Bullshit. Congress cannot usurp Executive Authority. The Democrats can certainly pretend to try, but it isn't going to happen, *****. Their ridiculous partisan laughable dog and pony show witch hunt does not have the votes.

PERIOD FULL STOP.

P.S

Suck on that, ignorant scumbag.

The CONSTITUTION limits executive authority, the VERY purpose of the Constitution as the Right make a habit of reminding us!
Suck on that you American Constitution-hating Russian Troll!

What clause of the US constitution says that Donald Trump must allow military aid to Ukraine?

You cannot cite that clause because it simply does not exist, you ******* imbecile.

The Constitution says the president must follow the laws of the land, and Congress by law controls spending, which the Right habitually reminds us.

Congress also passed a law that says the president has the power to stop arms exports.

So **** off.

Except it was MONEY that was being blocked to Ukraine.

Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial
The GAO report said that the Office of Management and Budget cited “a policy reason” for withholding $214 million in funds appropriated by Congress to the Defense Department for security assistance to Ukraine.

So **** off

No, **** you. The president is the decider. Commander in Chief has absolute authority to block military aid for any reason. PERIOD.

You TDS afflicted morons are going to be very disappointed. The coup is a non-starter.

 

[edthecynic]

The CONSTITUTION limits executive authority, the VERY purpose of the Constitution as the Right make a habit of reminding us!
Suck on that you American Constitution-hating Russian Troll!

What clause of the US constitution says that Donald Trump must allow military aid to Ukraine?

You cannot cite that clause because it simply does not exist, you ******* imbecile.

The Constitution says the president must follow the laws of the land, and Congress by law controls spending, which the Right habitually reminds us.

Congress also passed a law that says the president has the power to stop arms exports.

So **** off.

Except it was MONEY that was being blocked to Ukraine.

Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial
The GAO report said that the Office of Management and Budget cited “a policy reason” for withholding $214 million in funds appropriated by Congress to the Defense Department for security assistance to Ukraine.

So **** off

No, **** you. The president is the decider. Commander in Chief has absolute authority to block military aid for any reason. PERIOD.

You TDS afflicted morons are going to be very disappointed. The coup is a non-starter.

That is a lie and even YOU know it. PERIOD, FULL STOP!

 

[Muhammed]

What clause of the US constitution says that Donald Trump must allow military aid to Ukraine?

You cannot cite that clause because it simply does not exist, you ******* imbecile.

The Constitution says the president must follow the laws of the land, and Congress by law controls spending, which the Right habitually reminds us.

Congress also passed a law that says the president has the power to stop arms exports.

So **** off.

Except it was MONEY that was being blocked to Ukraine.

Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial
The GAO report said that the Office of Management and Budget cited “a policy reason” for withholding $214 million in funds appropriated by Congress to the Defense Department for security assistance to Ukraine.

So **** off

No, **** you. The president is the decider. Commander in Chief has absolute authority to block military aid for any reason. PERIOD.

You TDS afflicted morons are going to be very disappointed. The coup is a non-starter.

That is a lie and even YOU know it. PERIOD, FULL STOP!

Read it and weep, *****.

No defense article or defense service shall be sold or leased by the United States Government under this Act to any country or international organization, and no agreement shall be entered into for a cooperative project unless the President finds that the furnishing of defense articles and defense services to such country or international organization will strengthen the security of the United States and promote world peace;

https://legcounsel.house.gov/Comps/Arms Export Control Act.pdf

So **** off, you TDS afflicted moron.

 

[edthecynic]

The Constitution says the president must follow the laws of the land, and Congress by law controls spending, which the Right habitually reminds us.

Congress also passed a law that says the president has the power to stop arms exports.

So **** off.

Except it was MONEY that was being blocked to Ukraine.

Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial
The GAO report said that the Office of Management and Budget cited “a policy reason” for withholding $214 million in funds appropriated by Congress to the Defense Department for security assistance to Ukraine.

So **** off

No, **** you. The president is the decider. Commander in Chief has absolute authority to block military aid for any reason. PERIOD.

You TDS afflicted morons are going to be very disappointed. The coup is a non-starter.

That is a lie and even YOU know it. PERIOD, FULL STOP!

Read it and weep, *****.

No defense article or defense service shall be sold or leased by the United States Government under this Act to any country or international organization, and no agreement shall be entered into for a cooperative project unless the President finds that the furnishing of defense articles and defense services to such country or international organization will strengthen the security of the United States and promote world peace;

https://legcounsel.house.gov/Comps/Arms Export Control Act.pdf

So **** off, you TDS afflicted moron.

Does not apply, and YOU know it.

 

[Muhammed]

Congress also passed a law that says the president has the power to stop arms exports.

So **** off.

Except it was MONEY that was being blocked to Ukraine.

Trump administration broke law in withholding Ukraine aid, watchdog says as Senate prepares for impeachment trial
The GAO report said that the Office of Management and Budget cited “a policy reason” for withholding $214 million in funds appropriated by Congress to the Defense Department for security assistance to Ukraine.

So **** off

No, **** you. The president is the decider. Commander in Chief has absolute authority to block military aid for any reason. PERIOD.

You TDS afflicted morons are going to be very disappointed. The coup is a non-starter.

That is a lie and even YOU know it. PERIOD, FULL STOP!

Read it and weep, *****.

No defense article or defense service shall be sold or leased by the United States Government under this Act to any country or international organization, and no agreement shall be entered into for a cooperative project unless the President finds that the furnishing of defense articles and defense services to such country or international organization will strengthen the security of the United States and promote world peace;

https://legcounsel.house.gov/Comps/Arms Export Control Act.pdf

So **** off, you TDS afflicted moron.

Does not apply, and YOU know it.

Quit pretending that the president is not the Commander in Chief, you stupid TDS afflicted moron.

Nothing in the US constitution says that the president must allow the defense department to sell/lease/give conventional or nuclear weapons to Ukraine, or any other shithole country, against his better judgement.

PERIOD


The attempted coup via impeachment is a non-starter, you idiot. The Democrat's partisan effort simply does not have enough votes. The only viable coup avenue left for the Democrats is assassinating Trump. I predict that they have less than a 20% chance of pulling it off.

And I think there is a 70% chance that after they fail, they will try to blame it on Iran.

 

[edthecynic]

Nothing in the US constitution says that the president must allow the defense department to sell/lease/give conventional or nuclear weapons to Ukraine, or any other shithole country, against his better judgement.

He already signed the funding bill he was free to veto at the time. He can only break the law after that, which he did. PERIOD, FULL STOP!

 

[Muhammed]

Nothing in the US constitution says that the president must allow the defense department to sell/lease/give conventional or nuclear weapons to Ukraine, or any other shithole country, against his better judgement.

He already signed the funding bill he was free to veto at the time. He can only break the law after that, which he did. PERIOD, FULL STOP!

Your ridiculous theory and reality do not mesh.

 

[RealDave]

The same reason the GOP controlled Senate passed the bill on Sept 26, 2019, because the money hadn't been released yet in spite of Tramp lying about it being released Sept 11, 2019.

Is that so? Why isn't the Pelosi circus making this part of their charges then?

You just are so stupid and uninformed.

The GAO had not made its ruling that Tramp violated the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 yet. However she did include in the evidence that members of Tramp's regime resigned over fears that Tramp's actions violated the Impoundment Act proving Tramp knew what he was doing was probably against the law.

What you are not comprehending is the FACT that president Trump is the ******* Commander in Chief. Therefore he is the ultimate legal authority regarding decisions, at any whim, to deny any arms sales or military assistance to any foreign power for any reason.

Why are you too ******* stupid to comprehend that fact?

Look up the Arms Control Export Act, you ******* idiot.

There is nothing in it that says Joe Biden or any other so-called ''political rival" is immune from investigation.


If running for political office automatically made you immune to any investigation, let alone prosecution, then every murderer and rapist in the world would run for office.

Things that make you go hmmmm?

This was aid as directed by Congress.

 

[RealDave]

This is getting comical. Trumpettes are arguing that it is OK to withhold aid for political favors. According to this argument, a President would tell a country that if they want their 10 billion in aid that they need top transfer 1 billion to his personal account.

Trump's lawyers are saying that a President can do whatever he wants and as long as he breaks no law, he can't be impeached.

Send his kids to represent the country, Spend any money he wants where ever he wants to. A President can abuse his power with no remedy to stop him.

In other words, they are not arguing he did not do it. They are basically admitting he did and saying so what.

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

This is getting comical. Trumpettes are arguing that it is OK to withhold aid for political favors. According to this argument, a President would tell a country that if they want their 10 billion in aid that they need top transfer 1 billion to his personal account.

Trump's lawyers are saying that a President can do whatever he wants and as long as he breaks no law, he can't be impeached.

Send his kids to represent the country, Spend any money he wants where ever he wants to. A President can abuse his power with no remedy to stop him.

In other words, they are not arguing he did not do it. They are basically admitting he did and saying so what.

Guess we find out starting tomorrow.


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[sealybobo]

No....Trump didn't break the law, but it is now obvious that democrat party activists work in the GAO...releasing this the same day Trump signs the huge Trade deal with Mexico and Canada...

GAO: Trump violated the Impoundment Control Act in hold on Ukraine aid

Read the whole report, however, and one finds the glaring issue with this conclusion, which is that the administration didn’t have an obligation to release the funds on any specific date in the fiscal year. All they needed to do was to make sure the money got spent by the last day of the budget cycle:

For fiscal year 2019, Congress appropriated $250 million for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). Pub. L. No. 115-245, § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044–45. The funds were available “to provide assistance, including training; equipment; lethal assistance; logistics support, supplies and services; sustainment; and intelligence support to the military and national security forces of Ukraine.” Id. § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044. The appropriation made the funds available for obligation through September 30, 2019.
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GAO rebukes the Trump administration for issuing a series of orders making the funds temporarily unavailable without any explanations for why. Had the administration not spent the funds at all, it would have been required to send a “special message” to Congress within 15 days of that decision to allow for both chambers to take action on it. The GAO also argues that those decisions have to be based on “programmatic” issues rather than policy decisions, which they mean temporary issues with the programs and processes themselves rather than policy opposition to them. That, however, is not found in the text of the ICA; in fact, it doesn’t place any effective limitation on the reason for such rescissions, emphasis mine:
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The very text of the ICA envisions such rescissions taken for reasons of “fiscal policy or other reasons,” and has no explicit limitation on reasons being “programmatic.” It even explicitly recognizes the legitimacy of canceling “authorized projects,” which is the opposite of the GAO’s definition of “programmatic.” The ICA does require the president/administration to notify Congress of those decisions, but only when the money won’t be spent within the fiscal year.

And the key......

In this case, the money did get spent within the budget year. The aid may not have gone out as quickly as Congress intended or as the administration first planned, but as long as it got spent, there’s no violation.

Clearly trump broke the law. We read the report

 

[Muhammed]

No....Trump didn't break the law, but it is now obvious that democrat party activists work in the GAO...releasing this the same day Trump signs the huge Trade deal with Mexico and Canada...

GAO: Trump violated the Impoundment Control Act in hold on Ukraine aid

Read the whole report, however, and one finds the glaring issue with this conclusion, which is that the administration didn’t have an obligation to release the funds on any specific date in the fiscal year. All they needed to do was to make sure the money got spent by the last day of the budget cycle:

For fiscal year 2019, Congress appropriated $250 million for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). Pub. L. No. 115-245, § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044–45. The funds were available “to provide assistance, including training; equipment; lethal assistance; logistics support, supplies and services; sustainment; and intelligence support to the military and national security forces of Ukraine.” Id. § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044. The appropriation made the funds available for obligation through September 30, 2019.
----

GAO rebukes the Trump administration for issuing a series of orders making the funds temporarily unavailable without any explanations for why. Had the administration not spent the funds at all, it would have been required to send a “special message” to Congress within 15 days of that decision to allow for both chambers to take action on it. The GAO also argues that those decisions have to be based on “programmatic” issues rather than policy decisions, which they mean temporary issues with the programs and processes themselves rather than policy opposition to them. That, however, is not found in the text of the ICA; in fact, it doesn’t place any effective limitation on the reason for such rescissions, emphasis mine:
------

The very text of the ICA envisions such rescissions taken for reasons of “fiscal policy or other reasons,” and has no explicit limitation on reasons being “programmatic.” It even explicitly recognizes the legitimacy of canceling “authorized projects,” which is the opposite of the GAO’s definition of “programmatic.” The ICA does require the president/administration to notify Congress of those decisions, but only when the money won’t be spent within the fiscal year.

And the key......

In this case, the money did get spent within the budget year. The aid may not have gone out as quickly as Congress intended or as the administration first planned, but as long as it got spent, there’s no violation.

Clearly trump broke the law. We read the report

Liar.

You know that it said nothing like that. Why are you lying to the USMB forum, *****?

What is your motivation for spewing lies at us, you dishonest kunt?

Is it just your TDS affliction talking?

 

[tigerred59]

Right after the Mueller report gave this guy a clean slate, bc the guy was a coward to convict... the next effin day Trump went to Ukraine to terrorize its leader. IMAGINE WHAT THIS CLEAN SLATE FROM THE SENATE WILL DO FOR OUR 2020 ELECTIONS?

Donald Trump is a danger to this nation, to global stability and a danger to anybody seeking normality and leadership. Mitch and the GOP if allowed to ignore basic corruption from this guy, will have political malfeasance blood on their hands the next day... and God only knows what Putin has in plan afterwards.

 

[sealybobo]

No....Trump didn't break the law, but it is now obvious that democrat party activists work in the GAO...releasing this the same day Trump signs the huge Trade deal with Mexico and Canada...

GAO: Trump violated the Impoundment Control Act in hold on Ukraine aid

Read the whole report, however, and one finds the glaring issue with this conclusion, which is that the administration didn’t have an obligation to release the funds on any specific date in the fiscal year. All they needed to do was to make sure the money got spent by the last day of the budget cycle:

For fiscal year 2019, Congress appropriated $250 million for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). Pub. L. No. 115-245, § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044–45. The funds were available “to provide assistance, including training; equipment; lethal assistance; logistics support, supplies and services; sustainment; and intelligence support to the military and national security forces of Ukraine.” Id. § 9013, 132 Stat. at 3044. The appropriation made the funds available for obligation through September 30, 2019.
----

GAO rebukes the Trump administration for issuing a series of orders making the funds temporarily unavailable without any explanations for why. Had the administration not spent the funds at all, it would have been required to send a “special message” to Congress within 15 days of that decision to allow for both chambers to take action on it. The GAO also argues that those decisions have to be based on “programmatic” issues rather than policy decisions, which they mean temporary issues with the programs and processes themselves rather than policy opposition to them. That, however, is not found in the text of the ICA; in fact, it doesn’t place any effective limitation on the reason for such rescissions, emphasis mine:
------

The very text of the ICA envisions such rescissions taken for reasons of “fiscal policy or other reasons,” and has no explicit limitation on reasons being “programmatic.” It even explicitly recognizes the legitimacy of canceling “authorized projects,” which is the opposite of the GAO’s definition of “programmatic.” The ICA does require the president/administration to notify Congress of those decisions, but only when the money won’t be spent within the fiscal year.

And the key......

In this case, the money did get spent within the budget year. The aid may not have gone out as quickly as Congress intended or as the administration first planned, but as long as it got spent, there’s no violation.

Clearly trump broke the law. We read the report

Liar.

You know that it said nothing like that. Why are you lying to the USMB forum, *****?

What is your motivation for spewing lies at us, you dishonest kunt?

Is it just your TDS affliction talking?

The only lies come from the right. You guys own the fake news.

What did I lie about? Republicans cutting everyone’s social security 25% if they control all three houses?

Come on. Don’t be a liar. You would totally agree with cutting social security 25%. You would say it would save the program.

Never mind the only thing the program needs saving from is the rich republicans who admit they don’t like the socialism

You’re the liar

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

This is getting comical. Trumpettes are arguing that it is OK to withhold aid for political favors.

According to this argument, a President would tell a country that if they want their 10 billion in aid that they need top transfer 1 billion to his personal account.

Or put his loser son in a prestigious well paying do nothing job that he was by no means qualified to hold in a major Ukrainian energy producer. Quid Pro Joe threatened to shut off all aid to Ukraine if an investigation into Burisma (and therefor Biden himself) wasn't immediately dropped.

Glad to see you are against this sort of extortion and criminal behavior. You may not be retarded after all.....maybe (ahhh, you probably are anyway).

 

[sealybobo]

This is getting comical. Trumpettes are arguing that it is OK to withhold aid for political favors.

According to this argument, a President would tell a country that if they want their 10 billion in aid that they need top transfer 1 billion to his personal account.

Or put his loser son in a prestigious well paying do nothing job that he was by no means qualified to hold in a major Ukrainian energy producer. Quid Pro Joe threatened to shut off all aid to Ukraine if an investigation into Burisma (and therefor Biden himself) wasn't immediately dropped.

Glad to see you are against this sort of extortion and criminal behavior. You may not be retarded after all.....maybe (ahhh, you probably are anyway).

Keep spreading debunked Iies. Infowars